ANSWERS ***Mild Spoilers***1. Jay's strategic and secretive. Much of what he's doing is likely dependent on him…
"I'm not just a viewer, but also a manhwa reader, and honestly, your take is super impulsive for assuming everything has to be identical."
That's humorous, as you assumed that my reason for writing what I did is based on reading the manhwa. It is not.
"1. Jay didn't need to spill his long-term master plan to Sun, but letting your person know where you're going is basic relationship etiquette."
I can confirm that not everyone operates the way you'd prefer them to. As someone who's often accused of leaving people out of my plans and not letting even my romantic partner know what I'm up to, unless absolutely necessary. It annoys me to behave as though the person I love, or at the very least I'm sexually involved with, is somehow a replacement for my parents. I don't have to check in nor do they. If they want to tell me, great. If not, also great.
2. "But fiction is literally where we go to see bad guys like Songphon and Sunny actually face consequences for ruining people's lives."
Again, that's a YOU thing. Will they face consequences? Likely, as there are so many readers and viewers who demand that fiction allow for wish fulfillment or else those readers/viewers grow annoyed. I don't mind fiction skimming the line between reality and wish fulfillment and coming down more on the side of reality. I'm always pleasantly surprised when writers don't treat the audience like children who are questing for neat conclusions with fairytale endings. Not always, as over time, life is basically 50-50.
3. "Patience is a virtue, sure, but there's literally only one episode left and the plan still has zero clarity. Even the preview for the upcoming finale is still 100% pure conflict, right before the literal last episode, like what?"
Why would the preview be expected to reveal that there will be a resolution? It's a preview. I am always annoyed with a preview forgets what it's meant to do. There is one episode left and the plan/trap has yet to sprung. Why would we, as the audience, expect to have clarity on Jay's plan? We are following Sun, not Jay.
4. "I'm fully aware of how he is. My point is just that, as a viewer, it's not wrong to hope a character actually shows some growth and gets a bit more genre-savvy and aware of their surroundings. That’s a totally valid expectation."
It is not a valid expectation. It's nice, but at no point has the character shown he'd capable of what you're expecting. It's like people who like others because of what they "hope" those people could grow into, instead of seeing those people for who they are and accepting them as such.
5. "There's nothing wrong with wanting a happy ending, even if it deviates a bit from the manhwa source material. That's literally what plot improvisations and adaptations are for."
Do you comprehend what the word "literally" means? Devising happy endings from source materials is not, at all, what plot improvisations and adaptations are for-- not even close.
Guyyssss! This finale ep 6 was the best! I can't believe they got to live in their own house with approval from…
Ummm... I'm pretty sure Tinn's father didn't know that he was living in a house with Phob nor that they were officially back together and planning what's, essentially, a married life. When his father asked about Tinn's time working in the country, Tinn deliberately left the info vague.
5 reasons why Episode 9 pissed me off so bad:1. Like, why would Jay just dip to America without telling Sun…
ANSWERS ***Mild Spoilers***
1. Jay's strategic and secretive. Much of what he's doing is likely dependent on him not letting anyone in on his plans, to ensure no one can counter them. He's a mastermind, not a cartoonish hero.
2. Have you not been paying attention to the world you live in? Is your inability to grasp the sad truth due to you and others being too young to know better or too naive, despite your age? How many people in power, today, who we all know are doing/have done the most detestable things, have faced zero consequences?
Right now, in the U.S., there is a known serial r*pist and assaulter as the president of that country. The former Prince Andrew has faced zero jail time. Epstein eventually died in jail, but that was after decades of living out in the open within his community. People such as Harvey Weinstein, Diddy, Bill Cosby, Jimmy Saville, Johnny Kitagawa (often referred to as the Asian Jimmy Saville), and many more, lived decades without facing consequences or died without facing consequences.
3. Regarding Jay's strategy, you lack patience, which Jay clearly doesn't.
4. Sun was never a mastermind. From the first episode, we learned that he was reckless and incapable of comprehending that his impulsive actions would always have consequences. He assaulted a father and that father's child, in front of her father, and it didn't occur to him that those actions would come back and bite him and his loved ones in the a$$. Despite losing his brother, due to his own callous actions, he evidently learned nothing. Expecting more from the Sun character is on you. Instead of listening to Jay and Kajorn, he still plowed ahead with his badly planned revenge scheme, but that's because he's still operating on anger-- anger that he's projecting toward Sunny, but he is actually feeling toward himself.
5. You want a happy ending, but that's never been what Payback is about.
LMAO 😂 I agree with you but I'm gonna watch till the end anyway, It's so bad but I can't stop watching 😂😂
Nah. This is too messy to earn the label of campy. The Rocky Horror Picture Show is campy. It's well made with good directing, acting, cinematography and music, and it's wonderfully entertaining and hilarious. Knot is a trashy mess. Most of the time, I'm flabbergasted that it somehow finds a way to get worse.
This was a wonderful series. It's rating deserves to be much higher; although, I'm not surprised that a lot of viewers struggled to hold the depth and breadth of it. Well done, all around, by the production and acting teams.
LMAO 😂 I agree with you but I'm gonna watch till the end anyway, It's so bad but I can't stop watching 😂😂
😂 Yeah... hot messes can be entertaining, in their own goofy ways. I'm morbidly curious just how awful this can get, but if I do continue watching, I'll have to watch the episodes on 2x speed.
MY REVIEW AFTER 4 EPISODES (4th one watched on 2x speed)
This is a hot mess-- embarrassingly bad script, high school drama club level acting, shoddy directing, and terrible cinematography.
It appears they lacked the budget to do this series correctly, because almost all scenes are done in a bedroom, a living room, a dining room, or the cafe, with everyone sitting around talking. When they are outside, the scenes are poorly directed and filmed, and last about 30 seconds, then we're back inside a bedroom again.
They're also undercutting any drama with silly sounds, as though comedy will save the scene.
KNOT is a travesty and no amount of pulpy NC scenes can save this all around train wreck. The series currently having an 8.0 rating is laughable.
Noooo.... I was really looking forward to this series, but it's a hot mess, and not in a, "It's so bad, it's good," but in a, "Get me the frick off this crappy directing, cinematography, writing, soundtrack, and questionable to terrible acting ride."
The cynical use of the NC scenes, as a way to keep audience engagement, while everything else is absolutely trash, is annoying I can watch p*rn to get my jollies off, instead of suffering through this.
He is playing the character EXACTLY as depicted in the manhwa. In fact, he's injecting a bit more emotions, if…
Thank you for writing that response to @etoks21 so I don't have to. They're evidently a handful-- as for why that is, I'll refrain from speculating. What I will do is end any further dialogue with them.
He is playing the character EXACTLY as depicted in the manhwa. In fact, he's injecting a bit more emotions, if…
That's an interesting viewpoint.
Question: Have you ever been in the presence of someone this deeply traumatized and emotionally paralyzed?
As someone who works with these type of individuals, I can attest to there being what appears to be zero light in their eyes. It can be eerie-- at times, even creepy. It's also one of the first things I look for, not only to determine their level of trauma, but how much work the patient and I have to do to pull them out of the abyss they're living in.
Most actors can't pull this off, because, like you, they hold on to the belief that there should be something to give away their emotional reality to the audience, so the audience knows they're able to act. By doing this, they fail to convey the utter desolation that led to the character's emotional paralysis.
Episode 5:Through five episodes, Min Thanakorn as Sun has worn exactly ONE expression on his face.He reminds me…
He is playing the character EXACTLY as depicted in the manhwa. In fact, he's injecting a bit more emotions, if you can believe it. His character just isn't sullen, he's emotionally numb from trauma-- operating as close to a machine as a human can get.
While watching episode 10, I caught myself laughing because of how adorable Progress acts the character of Ko Neung whenever he and Ko Song are alone. For such young actors, they have incredibly natural and smooth chemistry-- not something that can be faked.
Hopefully, Progress and Almond are genuine friends and will continue to work together in the future, because, on screen, they have something special.
Cute faces couldn't lift this sinking ship of a terrible script and wooden acting. Eventually finished, on 2x speed, after dropping series multiple times. Sometimes, it really sucks being a completionist.
Sweet relief!!! Thank you! Seeing those comments were growing tired, fast.
It's not that someone doesn't have the right to an opinion, but they were spamming and just writing the same thing over and and over again, that it was turning into annoying garbage.
That's humorous, as you assumed that my reason for writing what I did is based on reading the manhwa. It is not.
"1. Jay didn't need to spill his long-term master plan to Sun, but letting your person know where you're going is basic relationship etiquette."
I can confirm that not everyone operates the way you'd prefer them to. As someone who's often accused of leaving people out of my plans and not letting even my romantic partner know what I'm up to, unless absolutely necessary. It annoys me to behave as though the person I love, or at the very least I'm sexually involved with, is somehow a replacement for my parents. I don't have to check in nor do they. If they want to tell me, great. If not, also great.
2. "But fiction is literally where we go to see bad guys like Songphon and Sunny actually face consequences for ruining people's lives."
Again, that's a YOU thing. Will they face consequences? Likely, as there are so many readers and viewers who demand that fiction allow for wish fulfillment or else those readers/viewers grow annoyed. I don't mind fiction skimming the line between reality and wish fulfillment and coming down more on the side of reality. I'm always pleasantly surprised when writers don't treat the audience like children who are questing for neat conclusions with fairytale endings. Not always, as over time, life is basically 50-50.
3. "Patience is a virtue, sure, but there's literally only one episode left and the plan still has zero clarity. Even the preview for the upcoming finale is still 100% pure conflict, right before the literal last episode, like what?"
Why would the preview be expected to reveal that there will be a resolution? It's a preview. I am always annoyed with a preview forgets what it's meant to do. There is one episode left and the plan/trap has yet to sprung. Why would we, as the audience, expect to have clarity on Jay's plan? We are following Sun, not Jay.
4. "I'm fully aware of how he is. My point is just that, as a viewer, it's not wrong to hope a character actually shows some growth and gets a bit more genre-savvy and aware of their surroundings. That’s a totally valid expectation."
It is not a valid expectation. It's nice, but at no point has the character shown he'd capable of what you're expecting. It's like people who like others because of what they "hope" those people could grow into, instead of seeing those people for who they are and accepting them as such.
5. "There's nothing wrong with wanting a happy ending, even if it deviates a bit from the manhwa source material. That's literally what plot improvisations and adaptations are for."
Do you comprehend what the word "literally" means? Devising happy endings from source materials is not, at all, what plot improvisations and adaptations are for-- not even close.
1. Jay's strategic and secretive. Much of what he's doing is likely dependent on him not letting anyone in on his plans, to ensure no one can counter them. He's a mastermind, not a cartoonish hero.
2. Have you not been paying attention to the world you live in? Is your inability to grasp the sad truth due to you and others being too young to know better or too naive, despite your age? How many people in power, today, who we all know are doing/have done the most detestable things, have faced zero consequences?
Right now, in the U.S., there is a known serial r*pist and assaulter as the president of that country. The former Prince Andrew has faced zero jail time. Epstein eventually died in jail, but that was after decades of living out in the open within his community. People such as Harvey Weinstein, Diddy, Bill Cosby, Jimmy Saville, Johnny Kitagawa (often referred to as the Asian Jimmy Saville), and many more, lived decades without facing consequences or died without facing consequences.
3. Regarding Jay's strategy, you lack patience, which Jay clearly doesn't.
4. Sun was never a mastermind. From the first episode, we learned that he was reckless and incapable of comprehending that his impulsive actions would always have consequences. He assaulted a father and that father's child, in front of her father, and it didn't occur to him that those actions would come back and bite him and his loved ones in the a$$. Despite losing his brother, due to his own callous actions, he evidently learned nothing. Expecting more from the Sun character is on you. Instead of listening to Jay and Kajorn, he still plowed ahead with his badly planned revenge scheme, but that's because he's still operating on anger-- anger that he's projecting toward Sunny, but he is actually feeling toward himself.
5. You want a happy ending, but that's never been what Payback is about.
Yeah... hot messes can be entertaining, in their own goofy ways. I'm morbidly curious just how awful this can get, but if I do continue watching, I'll have to watch the episodes on 2x speed.
This is a hot mess-- embarrassingly bad script, high school drama club level acting, shoddy directing, and terrible cinematography.
It appears they lacked the budget to do this series correctly, because almost all scenes are done in a bedroom, a living room, a dining room, or the cafe, with everyone sitting around talking. When they are outside, the scenes are poorly directed and filmed, and last about 30 seconds, then we're back inside a bedroom again.
They're also undercutting any drama with silly sounds, as though comedy will save the scene.
KNOT is a travesty and no amount of pulpy NC scenes can save this all around train wreck. The series currently having an 8.0 rating is laughable.
The cynical use of the NC scenes, as a way to keep audience engagement, while everything else is absolutely trash, is annoying I can watch p*rn to get my jollies off, instead of suffering through this.
Dropping.
Question:
Have you ever been in the presence of someone this deeply traumatized and emotionally paralyzed?
As someone who works with these type of individuals, I can attest to there being what appears to be zero light in their eyes. It can be eerie-- at times, even creepy. It's also one of the first things I look for, not only to determine their level of trauma, but how much work the patient and I have to do to pull them out of the abyss they're living in.
Most actors can't pull this off, because, like you, they hold on to the belief that there should be something to give away their emotional reality to the audience, so the audience knows they're able to act. By doing this, they fail to convey the utter desolation that led to the character's emotional paralysis.
Hopefully, Progress and Almond are genuine friends and will continue to work together in the future, because, on screen, they have something special.
It's not that someone doesn't have the right to an opinion, but they were spamming and just writing the same thing over and and over again, that it was turning into annoying garbage.