Fr. I am seeing this everywhere " he is psycho", " he is toxic" ofcourse he is. This is toxic…
YC didn't buy LF house, he owns an apartement because of his health, (I don't remember if it was his previous house before LF abducted him or LF bought him a new one), he could no longer do the accounting/paid for it, I don't remember, but he relied the financial stuff on LF, while still looking for his own money. Unlike in the show, YC never moved back to LF's house again too many bad memory.
writer Don't even know you can't put toothpaste in burns ๐ what did you expect from her? few uneducated stuffs…
Girl, you think you're pretty slick, but one look at your history and everyone knew you're here only to spread negativity on BL films. Go back watching your heteroslop and leave this space alone.
Fr. I am seeing this everywhere " he is psycho", " he is toxic" ofcourse he is. This is toxic…
Yc is definitely less focused in the drama, I mean, it make sense, Gao Tai Yu, the previous actor for LF in ARTTL, is the producer so I think he focused the pov of the series more on LF which is not touched that much in the book and movie.
Also, YC did not take any money from LF like at all. I think he even paid the rent of his bookstore and apartment to LF. because like you said, they are definitely in a more lukewarm situation. I think the drama definitely should've shown how YC thought how bad his decision of going back to LF is and his obsessive love for LF as well.
And despite being critical of the changes they had made in the show, I will say that the show really done well in utilizing the strength of films. There are a lot of things that can't be done in the book without disrupting the flow of the plot/reading, imagery you said were amongst them, and the show did stellarly. The highlight on LF's face as he saw YC playing around with chocolate in his mouth, that's such a chef's kiss. And it's not like they aren't aware of the impact of things they changed as well, like they appropriately made YC called his brother asking for advice because their relationship not as bad as in the book. Also, another fun thing to add, about the ending with the fortune teller, YC actually said in the sequel that he liked someone superstisious/superstitious gift, it never came up in ARTTL, but I love that they make a nod for it in the show.
For the sequel, you can look for it in Novelupdates, it's called Pandora's Box. Technically, it is a sequel to Lanlin's other novel, Nowhere to be Found. I will say Nowhere to be Found is worse than ARTTL because it's probably much earlier than ARTTL and in fact, as I look the book over and its content, I feel like this is actually the prototype to ARTTL because they have similar plots and plot progression without the techniques in writings that ARTTL had. Pandora's box is also in paralel with Lanlin's other novel, Love Late, the story about Ke Luo. Anyway, I think to read Pandora's box you definitely had to read Nowhere to be Found and ARTTL, but, whereas the other two book are hard read, Pandora's Box actually not that hard. Lanlin is trying a new technique here where usually you have the ebb and flow where happy moments followed by sad moments right next to each other, in PB, everything is happy with the foreboding feelings that the happines will crumble the moment someone opened the "Pandora's Box".
I actually believe Zhuo Lan deserves someone BETTER than YiChen, someone who actually love her and didn't think…
Zhuo Lan did meet someone else, I believe, in the show. Technically the book too, but that not ended up well, but Zhuo Lan did have a kid who loves her very much so, I guess there is that.
As for why YC went back, it is a lot more complicated. Even in the book, the reasoning, beyond YC loves LF very much, is very implicit, you have to see his mannerism, his snarky remarks, and what actually had happened in the setting to really understand that, all of which is pretty hard to portray in a screen without making it an exposition.
of course you don't realize. People who screamed "do you think rape is underrated?" are the people who are the most ignorant, committed more toxicity and damaged the awareness for the topic, yet still refused to educate themselves. If you don't realize that, that's your problem, it's not my responsibility to educate you or your ignorance. You're old enough to be on the internet, you're old enough to learn to fix your unawareness, ignorance, toxicity, and harmful rethoric towards issues like SA and its victims.
Fr. I am seeing this everywhere " he is psycho", " he is toxic" ofcourse he is. This is toxic…
I think it's also needed to be noted one of the line they removed in the show is when YC said he hated LF, but he continued in his heart that there was a stronger feeling than hate. I WISH they included that, but it make sense they didnt because, again, they tone down what LF did, so it didn't make sense for YC to hate LF that much, or the intensity of the hate that YC felt wasn't going to be as strong as the book.
As for responsibitly, because I have read the sequel Pandora's box, I can tell that LF is "taking responsibility" in a sense that he is "changed". as for the mother, it makes sense he didn't talk to his mother if you know the cultural aspect of Chinese conservative family. It wouldn't have make any different, his mother would still force him to marry a woman, etc. It is a lost case.
I think feeling like that is definitely valid, again, that's what dillema supposed to feel like, nothing is right. You're damned if you choose one side, and damned if you choose the other. You are supposed to feel conflicted by the end, and not left with a white and black conclusion.
My major problem with this series, apart from its absence of logic, is that it has neither romantic nor individual…
You know what, you're right, I should've notice. it's my fault trying to engage in a conversation about the show with someone who watch the show with their eyes and ears closed (or cherry picking what they wanted to see and hear).
My major problem with this series, apart from its absence of logic, is that it has neither romantic nor individual…
Girl, I always have a problem with my short term memory, and yes, people like us exists, and it's not that uncommon either, especially amongst people with mild adhd. So, please keep your ignorance to yourself.
Again, I told you, the whole episode when they got caught was literally LF trying to cover up for YC (I will say the show mess up by giving some of YC's monologue to LF because it was YC who calls out the principal and the society in general as to who are they to decide two man loving each other wrong)
again, you obviously can't see the substance if you're watching with both eyes closed.
My major problem with this series, apart from its absence of logic, is that it has neither romantic nor individual…
Girl, I said what I remember on top of my head. I am not going to watch the entire show again just to educate you, I am not that free, that's why I said "ON TOP OF MY HEAD".
Literally at the beginning episode LF gave YC sunflowers, I don't remember the specific, but I think it's also relevant during the kidnapping era (show specific because YC didn't like sunflower in the book), and the during YC visitation.
And it's not, well-written character isn't differentiate by the little details, but whether or not they develop. technically it's combination of both, but the emphasis is on the character development. This is not my opinion, this is scholars opinion.
as for your last question, I genuinely believe you don't actually watch the show (because it's literally the whole first act from episode 1-3 or 4 I think) or even read my comment other than what you choose to read. I literally said they, "They experience homophobia through the parents and the school, they experienced coming of age as a teenager in a conservative relationship who never understand sex and didn't understand that sex with a person who was not ready, even if that person loves you, is an assault."
And just in case you still don't get it, they did have conversation there supporting each other emotionally. During their first sex/SA fighting, they learned to understand each other, and again, LF shown that he was willing to learn and changed for YC, and mentioned specifically, he's not good at talking & apologizing,
My major problem with this series, apart from its absence of logic, is that it has neither romantic nor individual…
On top of my head was the last episode whole convo about mental illness, (and regardless of my disagreement with them resulting to mental illness) they did portray the insecurities of someone being diagnosed with mental illness well. LF pretty much doesn't want YC to know because he was afraid that YC would think his action, and his love with it, was because of his mental illness (I don't remember if he got that idea from his sister or not), and he didn't feel like he is sick (again, a lot of people I know who had mental illness didn't feel like/belief they are sick), and he just doesn't want to be seen as weak. That is what I can remember on top of my head. You asked about quirks, YC love sunflower, and also from the last episode, I think LF mentioned something about YC always crying in his sleeps whenever they are fighting, their values, literally throughout the series, you have YC monologuing his thought.
Again, obviously they didn't talk about it like they sit down and addressed issues in the world, like this is some deephup thai series where they were listing performative woke check they should fill (except for some of their recent productions, like IFYLITA I will add), because what this series is not is performative, Chinese danmei rarely performative.
What they did was they experienced it. They experience homophobia through the parents and the school, they experienced coming of age as a teenager in a conservative relationship who never understand sex and didn't understand that sex with a person who was not ready, even if that person loves you, is an assault, they experienced the "meaningful conversation".
Don't get me wrong, I am very critical of this series, and this series had flaws and problems (Like what you said, invidual development, where LF had stellar indivual development from beginning to the end, YC doesn't have much), but what you said wasn't one of them.
Um no, you can't have an opinion if you're going to judge the entirety of the story based on what you're hearing, the same reason why religious fanatics shouldn't decide that gays are abomination because of what they heard from their bible.
There is still 6 months left ๐๐People maybe miss out on some shows because of people like you who overhype…
why would someone miss out on shows because you think someone overhype a show? like, overhyping won't make people did not watch other shows who already won't watch the show.
so you drop the story, and decided it romanticizing SA because you heard they ended up together, even though you didn't know how or at what state of "together" they are in?
I got pretty pissed at people who didn't watch/read something and decided to have an opinion that is misleading and ignorant too, invaded people's space that actually read/watch, and think they knew it better.
Am I the only one who felt like Zhuo Lan deserved Cheng Yi Chen more throughout the drama? From the very beginning,…
I actually believe Zhuo Lan deserves someone BETTER than YiChen, someone who actually love her and didn't think about another man.
As for why YC forgive Lf, it is very complicated. I will say the novel did better with YC's explicit and implicit reasoning, but the show also tone down a lot of LF horrible did in the novel. I think what I wish they portrayed more was YC inner monologue after years of separation from LF and why he decided to go to LF office.
My major problem with this series, apart from its absence of logic, is that it has neither romantic nor individual…
If you think the show has neither romantic nor individual development, even though it is objectively wrong especially in regards to invididual development cause romantic is a lot more subjective, it is your perogative to be subjectively wrong.
I do have to question when you're asking about their quirks/values/hobbies/talk about things that matters that aren't about their relationship, do you watch with your eyes closed and ears clogged? Sorry, if that sounds harsh, but they talked about all of those during their time together, obviously not with a scene where they just sat down and talk politics cause that's boring, but that scenes do exist.
e.g. during their separation in principle office, LF actually argued to them who gave them, the school, the right to decide their love is wrong, or that YC favorite flowers is sunflower, etc. etc.
Yeah, too many bad memory, and YC always lived in poverty too even with LF, and in the sequel, LF actually lived together with YC in poverty lol
Also, YC did not take any money from LF like at all. I think he even paid the rent of his bookstore and apartment to LF. because like you said, they are definitely in a more lukewarm situation. I think the drama definitely should've shown how YC thought how bad his decision of going back to LF is and his obsessive love for LF as well.
And despite being critical of the changes they had made in the show, I will say that the show really done well in utilizing the strength of films. There are a lot of things that can't be done in the book without disrupting the flow of the plot/reading, imagery you said were amongst them, and the show did stellarly. The highlight on LF's face as he saw YC playing around with chocolate in his mouth, that's such a chef's kiss. And it's not like they aren't aware of the impact of things they changed as well, like they appropriately made YC called his brother asking for advice because their relationship not as bad as in the book. Also, another fun thing to add, about the ending with the fortune teller, YC actually said in the sequel that he liked someone superstisious/superstitious gift, it never came up in ARTTL, but I love that they make a nod for it in the show.
For the sequel, you can look for it in Novelupdates, it's called Pandora's Box. Technically, it is a sequel to Lanlin's other novel, Nowhere to be Found. I will say Nowhere to be Found is worse than ARTTL because it's probably much earlier than ARTTL and in fact, as I look the book over and its content, I feel like this is actually the prototype to ARTTL because they have similar plots and plot progression without the techniques in writings that ARTTL had. Pandora's box is also in paralel with Lanlin's other novel, Love Late, the story about Ke Luo. Anyway, I think to read Pandora's box you definitely had to read Nowhere to be Found and ARTTL, but, whereas the other two book are hard read, Pandora's Box actually not that hard. Lanlin is trying a new technique here where usually you have the ebb and flow where happy moments followed by sad moments right next to each other, in PB, everything is happy with the foreboding feelings that the happines will crumble the moment someone opened the "Pandora's Box".
As for why YC went back, it is a lot more complicated. Even in the book, the reasoning, beyond YC loves LF very much, is very implicit, you have to see his mannerism, his snarky remarks, and what actually had happened in the setting to really understand that, all of which is pretty hard to portray in a screen without making it an exposition.
As for responsibitly, because I have read the sequel Pandora's box, I can tell that LF is "taking responsibility" in a sense that he is "changed".
as for the mother, it makes sense he didn't talk to his mother if you know the cultural aspect of Chinese conservative family. It wouldn't have make any different, his mother would still force him to marry a woman, etc. It is a lost case.
I think feeling like that is definitely valid, again, that's what dillema supposed to feel like, nothing is right. You're damned if you choose one side, and damned if you choose the other. You are supposed to feel conflicted by the end, and not left with a white and black conclusion.
Again, I told you, the whole episode when they got caught was literally LF trying to cover up for YC (I will say the show mess up by giving some of YC's monologue to LF because it was YC who calls out the principal and the society in general as to who are they to decide two man loving each other wrong)
again, you obviously can't see the substance if you're watching with both eyes closed.
Literally at the beginning episode LF gave YC sunflowers, I don't remember the specific, but I think it's also relevant during the kidnapping era (show specific because YC didn't like sunflower in the book), and the during YC visitation.
And it's not, well-written character isn't differentiate by the little details, but whether or not they develop. technically it's combination of both, but the emphasis is on the character development. This is not my opinion, this is scholars opinion.
as for your last question, I genuinely believe you don't actually watch the show (because it's literally the whole first act from episode 1-3 or 4 I think) or even read my comment other than what you choose to read. I literally said they, "They experience homophobia through the parents and the school, they experienced coming of age as a teenager in a conservative relationship who never understand sex and didn't understand that sex with a person who was not ready, even if that person loves you, is an assault."
And just in case you still don't get it, they did have conversation there supporting each other emotionally. During their first sex/SA fighting, they learned to understand each other, and again, LF shown that he was willing to learn and changed for YC, and mentioned specifically, he's not good at talking & apologizing,
Again, obviously they didn't talk about it like they sit down and addressed issues in the world, like this is some deephup thai series where they were listing performative woke check they should fill (except for some of their recent productions, like IFYLITA I will add), because what this series is not is performative, Chinese danmei rarely performative.
What they did was they experienced it. They experience homophobia through the parents and the school, they experienced coming of age as a teenager in a conservative relationship who never understand sex and didn't understand that sex with a person who was not ready, even if that person loves you, is an assault, they experienced the "meaningful conversation".
Don't get me wrong, I am very critical of this series, and this series had flaws and problems (Like what you said, invidual development, where LF had stellar indivual development from beginning to the end, YC doesn't have much), but what you said wasn't one of them.
I got pretty pissed at people who didn't watch/read something and decided to have an opinion that is misleading and ignorant too, invaded people's space that actually read/watch, and think they knew it better.
As for why YC forgive Lf, it is very complicated. I will say the novel did better with YC's explicit and implicit reasoning, but the show also tone down a lot of LF horrible did in the novel. I think what I wish they portrayed more was YC inner monologue after years of separation from LF and why he decided to go to LF office.
I do have to question when you're asking about their quirks/values/hobbies/talk about things that matters that aren't about their relationship, do you watch with your eyes closed and ears clogged? Sorry, if that sounds harsh, but they talked about all of those during their time together, obviously not with a scene where they just sat down and talk politics cause that's boring, but that scenes do exist.
e.g. during their separation in principle office, LF actually argued to them who gave them, the school, the right to decide their love is wrong, or that YC favorite flowers is sunflower, etc. etc.