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You are conflating fan service with sexual harrassment, sexual assault and actors being required to adhere to unreasonably rigorous physical standards. So that's at least THREE different issues. Fan service is not in the same category as the other two, one of which involves unlawful activity.

Do you seriously want LAWS that ban production companies from requiring fan service as part of promotional activities? If so, that is beyond absurd. We don't need the government sticking its nose into every nook and cranny of society when it should butt out.

You still haven't provided any informative links. Where are some links detailing the horrors that were dealt to Art and Mew? It sounds like that for someone who claims to hate fan service so much, you certainly watch a lot of it.

Can you provide some links to articles/stories/facts about this supposed fan service problem and how it is destroying so many lives? And do, comments by randos on the Internet do not count as evidence.

Laughing my ass off that you just actually compared this to the "me too" movement, omg. You are comparing actors being paid to act flirtatious during promotional activities to actual sexual extortion, drugging, and even rape. Seriously?

This will never stop being a thing, so I suggest you stop watching BL promotional activities and reading about them, or that you accept it and worry about something else. lol

"I think it's not OK to do that to the actors..." Then the actors can find another line of work if it's such a big deal, which it's not. No one is "forcing" them. If a contract requires it, then they can refuse to sign and go flip burgers somewhere.

You are absolutely right about one thing: fan service has been a part of entertainment promotion since the beginning of time and isn't going to stop, so let it go for god's sake.

Fan service doesn't hurt actors or fans in any serious way. Where is the evidence that it does? Please provide links.

So sick of boring people trying to control every aspect of society with ridiculous shaming rituals and accusations and anecdotes that don't bear scrutiny. I want to see links to true stories about actual incidents in which someone was actually hurt by fan service. After I've read those links, if they exist, I want to make the point that if someone is messed up by fan service then they have mental problems and it is the responsibility of them and those around them to get that person professional help. The answer is not to try to alter society to fit the warped needs of a tiny group of people. Doing that is impossible anyway, and detrimental to art, entertainment and freedom of expression.

To me this issue has been hashed and re-hashed, and then re-hashed again by SJWs who for some reason are desperately concerned for the mental health of a tiny minority of a tiny fanbase of Fujoshis. My take on it: Fan service is silly and ridiculous and funny and it is not going away anytime soon, so get used to it. Studios/production companies believe it is beneficial to their marketing efforts, raises awareness of individual BLs and thus their viewer numbers and collateral sales.

Since this is all about making money, not administering to the mental health needs of a few weirdos who can't separate fact from fiction, fan service will continue. I don't see it as any big deal in the first place; just one more thing for buzz=killers to bitch about in comments. Fan service is actors doing their job, ACTING, during interviews and live events. That's their job. Freaks who can't handle it should stop watching BLs.

Thanks for this comment. You made me give thought to that interpretation of orange jacket's attraction to gum-chewer man. Growing up gay in 1960s/70s Kansas was bad enough; I can't imagine what it's like in still-homophobic as hell Korea.

Wonderfully, hilariously bad. The kind of bad that is fun to watch. It's much like a short parody of "Uncontrolled Love" might look. Enjoy!

lol This truly is so bad that it's good. I laughed and chuckled through the whole thing.
Horrible writing.
Horrible, amateur, over-acting across the board. Like, totally over the top hilarious.
Terrible direction.
Terrible editing.
Terrible plot.
That poor girl trying so hard to be hot while she danced, and NOT singing in a singing contest.
The Lesbian-looking chick who apparently is straight. lol
Sorry, but the bookish half of the MC is not attractive and there is zero chemistry between the two.
Pretty much EVERY cliche in the BL handbook is here, as though the director was checking them off one by one.
Putting the evil, selfish BL mom in a wheelchair was a nice, original touch though. hahaha
All building up to that operatic, rain-soaked, junior high-level dramatic episode at the end, nicely topped off with the rich half of the main couple screaming and chewing the grass in his anguish.
Loved the nurse running up at the end with the umbrella. She knew just where to find all three of them out in the rain-soaked night somewhere. lol All I could picture was her waiting off camera with her umbrella for the cue to run into the shot and say her line. :D
omg, this was funny.
High points:
Evil former GF staggering along the sidewalk like a zombie after she got dumped.
"I will take responsibility. You are mine." lol That must have been some mind-blowing sex. From straight to proud rainbow-gay in one drunken night.
"This is mom's wish..." lol Bitch.

tbh...given the steward's psychological/emotional issues-he comes off to me as extremely damaged-it would be best for orange jacket guy if he kept right on going to the airport.

Any thoughts on why orange jacket was so attracted to him, despite his well-founded reservations? That's one of many aspects of this film that were not sufficiently explored. I mean other than the possibility that he too is so damaged by life as a gay man in Korea that he thinks an uncommunicative asshole is the best he can do for a BF.

I belong to the very same minority, my friend, except maybe I even like "too much" sometimes. There's nothing about what I wrote above that indicates I'm looking for "ordinary, sweet and generally accepted things" either.

What I DON'T like is art that PRETENDS to be weird, extreme or too much but that is actually just poorly executed and is none of those things as a result. Some film makers just like giving the middle finger to the audience, but want to be praised for it and regarded as 'edgy." As if.

I ADORE movies that make me think and decipher and wonder, but not movies that feel as if the director is deliberately being obtuse and confusing to the point that the core story is almost impossible to grasp. And it is not enough for me to just say "well, maybe this and maybe that, and maybe there IS no core story and I can just make up my own ending...blah blah blah..." That explanation is too often just a cover for artsy/fartsy, sloppy film-making presenting itself as challenging material. In those cases it's likely the story is indecipherable because the director/writer was too lazy to actually come up with one or just wanted to feel 'artistic,' so they basically threw everything on screen and said "you figure it out, audience member. And if you can't figure it out, that's your problem."

I do NOT have a problem with open endings either. Watching lots of European and Asian cinema has made me much more comfortable with that idea. I have run in to a few flicks, however, in which the movie seems to just CUT at some random point, and that's it. I do not care for that sort of non-ending ending.

You're welcome! :D

Ummm...it's not that kind of show. lol

OK...I think I finally get it. My mistake has been, and I think I've seen this twice, that I thought the guy with the limp at the beginning of the flick is the guy in the orange jacket later, but that's incorrect. The limp guy is from the original attack in which the flight steward was injured also, and which he came back to avenge. He is not the same guy as the dude in the orange jacket.

So...in the beginning, the steward has returned to Seoul once again, to find and reunite with the orange jacket guy (though why that guy would want his psycho/gum-chewing/weird/moody ass is another question. He must have been a great lay in that toilet stall). He opens his suitcase, sits on the bed and thinks back in a flashback to when he met the orange jacket guy. But that can't be right either because after he gets to the hotel at the beginning he calls in to check on his flight out the next morning at 7am, which means he's leaving again. wtf?

I'm just going to put this in my list of movies I don't care enough about to watch a third or fourth time with a notepad so I can finally understand it. Too much slow walking, gum-chewing and smoking instead of acting and exposition to be worth the trouble. The kind of flick that tries to replace story with mood and fails.

But...at first I thought well, maybe the beginning came AFTER the rest of the movie, but that didn't seem to be the case. But then again...

So...wait a minute: The "lame" guy never got beat up or struck in any way. I can't figure how the beginning jibes with the end.

Me too. WTF? I thought the entire movie was an extended flashback to whatever happened between them before but then all of a sudden we're at the end as if the beginning never took place.

Smoking and gum chewing pretty much summarize the plot.

Why?

Why?

Smoking, chewing gum, walking slowly, looking sullen, talking in riddles, staring into the middle distance, pretending to be mysterious, implausible romantic feelings toward obviously disturbed people who act like mannequins other than when they're insulting you, acting like a psycho or putting your life in danger...that's the plot. Oh, and bad sex presented as romance. Enjoy. And please let me know if you figure out exactly how the beginning fit the ending. Thanks.