There's a mini-series of 4 episodes that you need to watch before watching the two movies. I know, it can be confusing…
Then I will watch the drama too to fully get the movie, I even had to give the movies a low rating due to the awful pacing not knowing why they skipped many things lol
Watched 4 episode so far and am dying of boredom. Since I have seen how everyone overhype it, I had kind of a…
I didn't enjoy to my star that much honestly, especially second season, but yeah Frozen Flower is among my top 3 Korean movies and it was one of the biggest reasons I got into Asian dramas/movies in first place. I even downloaded the song the king sang in the ceremony lmao
Hmm even after 1000+ count votes from yesterday the rating is consistent. Considering the bash it was getting…
Many things about the last episodes irked me, but overall I really loved the drama and think it was good so I still gave it a high rating. It was a really a great attempt to make a perfect drama, if we forget the lackluster ending.
Well, it's clear they rushed the shit out of the last couple of episodes so that they won't have to make a second season, I mean yeah a second season would make the plot overly draggy, but they could just make the 16 episodes 18 or 20 instead and it would be perfect in my opinion.
Miho's death was supposed to be sad or whatever, but I didn't give two fucks honestly, it felt as if they were trying hard in the last two episodes to give her the screen time she lacked in the whole series, but something still felt lacking. The way PCH was worshiping her ass, you would expect to see more emotional and depressing death scene with him almost losing it. The moment she died I barley felt anything (Maybe because I highly disliked her) and he as well didn't seem that affected which was odd to me. I was just like "Oh, they actually killed her! Well...good!" lmao if she got cured somehow t make it a happily ever after Disney nonsense, I would get pissed off. At least that way PCH will have more of a reason to become Big Mouse forever and use that power to fight evil, and make a difference than stay a boring ass lawyer who sufferers to do anything due to the law obviously not being that helpful. His only and biggest weakness died so now he will become truly invincible and everyone in the organization admit he is good enough for the role.
Also in a way I guess Doha's rushed fast death made sense, I mean PCH realized law would never be against him so he just ended him silently and quickly to not waste time using "the right way" bullshit anymore which will allow him to get tougher and keep wining. He just killed him instead of waiting to throw him in jail. I was also kinda disappointed that the didn't show the chairman's psycho son, that dude taking the blame for him till his death was sad though. His siblings knew the truth, yet treated him poorly till the end...then the sister pretends to be all sad over him, like bitch please!
Gong Jihoon was an asshole at start, but he kept growing on me since he was funny, and am glad in the end he got rewarded and changed a bit after siding with PCH. The other pricks getting their asses marked by the prisoners was nice to see. Thank god Jerry stayed alive! If they pulled the Vincenzo crap on us again I would be truly salty! I really love this dude.
Overall I loved the drama, wished they changed few things, like the number of episodes and the whole room leader being Big Mouse, his lackluster death and the stupid death of Chairman's Kang, along with Miho's character getting a better writing. I also Wish Doha's death was more gruesome though, like the Vincenzo's villain's death, that was beautiful lol Apart from these issues the drama was almost perfect and had many dope ass moments and OSTs I wouldn't forget.
Maybe it was problematic but there is no politcal correctness or snowflake culture in either japan or korea, so…
Exactly! Finally someone who truly gets my point of view! I hate it when people be like "move on" why move on? Just cause it doesn't affect them personally they think I don't have a right to speak, or I should let it go to not be a bother or sound like a Karen?! I mean this is some sort of racism in a way, just like assuming that some race are all criminals or another are all weak or whatever. Making it seem as if Africans are all so retarded, miserable, and filthy is offending as hell and unless people talk about it, nothing will change. Especially when to this day, I still have some blokes asking me if I live surrounded by lions, monkeys, and shit as if I'm freaking Tarzan's relative.
What rating would you give this? Did you watch till the end? I genuinely wanna know ‘cause I’m weighing my…
Thank you! Glad to know I somehow made someone laugh lol
Yeah, just cause I hated it doesn't mean you shouldn't watch it. Check it out and see for yourself, who know you might not hate it as much as I do. I also don't mind spoilers, I always read comments before watching any drama to see if something included in it might be a deal breaker or something. The biggest reason I didn't drop it is cause I dislike dropping shows after starting them and so I finished lots of trash drama, besides sometimes a drama can have an awful start then gets better in later episodes (This case is rare though).
What rating would you give this? Did you watch till the end? I genuinely wanna know ‘cause I’m weighing my…
3/10 I guess just cause the actors are hot and some of their fashion is interesting and I kinda liked the FL friend when she nags at her for being stupid and the second ML for overall being a decent guy lmao am being generous here honestly since I was mostly cringing or pissed off while watching.
What's going on?! I watched first movie and when I watched this next I could barley understand what was happening? What did I miss?! Many things happened in the intro of this part, that I never seen in first one. I really started figuring out everything after a whole hour of watching...ML is actually interesting and the actor is really hot though so that helped me keep watching even though I was lost most of the time.
Okay so since I saw the high ratings and how many people seem to praise this drama in the comments, I decided to watch it to see if they are right and guess what? It was trash like seriously what the hell?!
First issue: it's filled with all types of toxic ass tropes that came out/were popular during the 2000s. 1- The overly naïve, weak. helpless, crybaby, irresponsible, indecisive, FL with no braincells and likes to make stupid decisions that lead everyone around her to get hurt and be pissed off, that allows the male leads to control, abuse, sexually harass, bully, and be overall misogynistic as fuck to her, and the bitch just stand there looking either dazed, or scared letting them do and say whatever they want. In this FL's case, she so annoying I don't even feel bad for her at this point like seriously... She never speaks to clear misunderstandings, just hide them to add more fuel to the fire and make herself seem like the one who is doing wrong things then when people hate her for it, she runs away to cry alone like a brat.
2- Creepy, abusive, overly violent, rude, piece of shit ML who of course has mommy/daddy issues to use an excuse for being a total scum. As soon as he realizes FL is into someone else he goes and decide to kiss her forcibly and create problems between her and her actual love interest in the start. He bully her a lot first then only shows interest after she is into another guy then he decides that he owns her, he knows she is gonna be his step sister yet doesn't care, makes her miserable and cry all the time, put her in dangerous situations, and yet expect her to fall hard for him (Which what happens sadly) instead of attacking him with a baseball bat.
He is supposed to be the tsundere, cold, cool, rarely kind and good deep inside type, but he didn't grow on me at all. Maybe because I despise Tsundere characters, though some of them can be cute and very loveable like few cases in anime (Kyo from fruits Basket, Misaki from Maid-sama, Kagura from Gintama, Erza from Fairy Tail. Inuyasha from Inuyasha, and Yun from Akatsuki no Yona are very good examples). ML in this drama isn't the good type.
3- Some incest elements, like why are people obsessed with this step siblings...etc disgusting bullshit?!
4- Second ML who clearly is a better option, yet FL rejects him and go for the toxic freak after playing well with his feelings.
5- Annoying as hell parents.
6- Nosy ass friends who seem to suffer to keep their mouth shut exposing the leads secretes, and love to include themselves in everything related to ML and FL's love life. To be fair the FL's friends are way more likeable than her and one of them is actually useful at times, scolding the FL which she deserves. The friend falling for the second ML was kinda odd at start, but then I actually liked it cause at least he is better than ML, and she is better than FL, besides she waited till FL rejected him before flirting with him and before she tried to help them become a couple so I actually support them.
7- Second FL who is an absolute unlikeable gross bitch, with very criminal like behavior and extreme obsession with ML. Of course they give her a sad past which is supposed to make watchers sympathy with her, but seriously she deserves getting bullied for being a bitch, she doesn't deserve pity or help at all! Then make another guy be obsessed with her (And why?) nothing about her is likeable in first place! He is such a simp that he allows her to make him do stupid criminal shit as well.
8- Very boring and typical plot that gets dragged to the point where it's exhausting.
9- Love triangles and crap. Also why did that Ahrang dude exist? He is basically a literal psychopath who stalks and chases after FL and even threaten and tries to get his ass killed to force her to date him and is like "I never had any girl reject me, so even if I have to attempt suicide I will make you love me!" lmao really! Do people really find these fucked up guys attractive and charming?!
10- this one isn't a big deal, but the part where the ML decided to play guitar in a concert and wears some sort of mask that covers his eyes only and all of a sudden no one in his college seem to know who he is, including FL who only figures out it's him from the scarf he was wearing around his wrist, which he took from her earlier. This is actually a thing that became popular from super heroes shows and it never fails to irk me lol
Second issue: Overacting, it felt as if I was watching an awful live action drama, inspired by some old shoujo manga, and everyone tried so hard to act like anime characters which never works in real life. Every single one of them does it to make it more horrifying. 1- FL tries so freaking hard to seem cute and childlike by pouting, over smiling, and making ugly confused or sulking expressions half of the time. Like the actress is kinda cute look-wise, she doesn't need to be that forcibly childish to be cute. It ruins everything. They are supposed to be in college, whole ass adults, so why make her act like a 4 years old?! Only perverted weirdos will find that shit cute lmao
2- ML does everything in such a hardcore way it's not even funny, he runs, walks, and fight like it's the end of the world. Don't get me started on his smirk thing that is supposed to be sexy I guess? But it makes him look like a maniac that enjoys stabbing others or something. He is really hot though and his odd hairstyle actually fit him, but obviously he looks way better with his hair down.
3- The parents...these two are a walking cancer. The mom acts like someone punched her so hard, she kinda lost it. The father is either acting like a total middle aged creep that love assaulting teen girls like what he does to the FL (Like when he is talking to her and suddenly grabs her arms by both his hands so aggressively while saying weird shit like "Now I have a cute daughter! I will take care of you!" blah blah, and looks crazy while she makes a very startled expression to make it even more disturbing), or he acts like a retard in a very irritating way.
Other issues: I don't get why they rushed the relationship between ML and FL, I expected them to take at least 10 episodes before officially becoming a couple, to give more time for FL and second ML to interact properly, but I blinked and the main leads were into each other already even though FL was so into the second ML for kinda long time (Which shows she didn't truly like him, cause if she did, ain't no way in hell she would fall for ML that quick and forget second ML instantly).
Good things: Most cast are very good looking and the fashion/hairstyles were not bad considering the time the drama was made. Their looks kinda reminded me of many shoujo animes that also came out in late 90s - early 2000s. Sadly this is the only good thing I have about the drama...lmao
Honestly only 10-13 years old millennial kids who were raised during the times these shows were made can enjoy this shit, I was very young back then and I'm 24 years old currently so there is no way I can find this kids-teens focused crap good. Even back when I was a kid, I didn't really enjoy most of the overly cliché romance stuff. (Obviously other cliché garbage came out during our gen Z era like Twillight...etc which I also hated, so no offense to older generations, and some old things were very great even better than newer ones, I know well, but most people would prefer things that came out during their time since they feel attached to them).
A Goryeo one (I think that's how that dynasty is called?) with him wearing a nice Chinese inspired Korean traditional…
Well in the second part of The Witch movie he did appear with like almost shoulder length hair, and he looked stunning, I kinda disliked the movie itself and he barely had screen time (About 2 minutes or so like seriously...), yet kept watching only for his sake lmao
Well, you should try and finish it since only 4 episodes left for you, and two are still not aired yet so you don't need to force yourself to binge watch all of them in one day. But I do get why you felt that way. I myself ain't pleased with how this drama is going lately, but since I hate dropping a drama when only few episodes are left, I will keep going, who knows maybe the ending will be a bit satisfying after all this mess.
Lol it is indeed a Kdrama.I feel like the plot is quite decent. I feel like the acting is not carrying the plot…
More like the characters writing is the issue honestly lol some are overly smart and op overall, some are dumb as hell, some keep changing every 2 seconds and their existence end up becoming disappointing in the end like seriously...
Miho's death was supposed to be sad or whatever, but I didn't give two fucks honestly, it felt as if they were trying hard in the last two episodes to give her the screen time she lacked in the whole series, but something still felt lacking.
The way PCH was worshiping her ass, you would expect to see more emotional and depressing death scene with him almost losing it. The moment she died I barley felt anything (Maybe because I highly disliked her) and he as well didn't seem that affected which was odd to me.
I was just like "Oh, they actually killed her! Well...good!" lmao if she got cured somehow t make it a happily ever after Disney nonsense, I would get pissed off.
At least that way PCH will have more of a reason to become Big Mouse forever and use that power to fight evil, and make a difference than stay a boring ass lawyer who sufferers to do anything due to the law obviously not being that helpful. His only and biggest weakness died so now he will become truly invincible and everyone in the organization admit he is good enough for the role.
Also in a way I guess Doha's rushed fast death made sense, I mean PCH realized law would never be against him so he just ended him silently and quickly to not waste time using "the right way" bullshit anymore which will allow him to get tougher and keep wining. He just killed him instead of waiting to throw him in jail. I was also kinda disappointed that the didn't show the chairman's psycho son, that dude taking the blame for him till his death was sad though. His siblings knew the truth, yet treated him poorly till the end...then the sister pretends to be all sad over him, like bitch please!
Gong Jihoon was an asshole at start, but he kept growing on me since he was funny, and am glad in the end he got rewarded and changed a bit after siding with PCH. The other pricks getting their asses marked by the prisoners was nice to see.
Thank god Jerry stayed alive! If they pulled the Vincenzo crap on us again I would be truly salty! I really love this dude.
Overall I loved the drama, wished they changed few things, like the number of episodes and the whole room leader being Big Mouse, his lackluster death and the stupid death of Chairman's Kang, along with Miho's character getting a better writing. I also Wish Doha's death was more gruesome though, like the Vincenzo's villain's death, that was beautiful lol
Apart from these issues the drama was almost perfect and had many dope ass moments and OSTs I wouldn't forget.
Especially when to this day, I still have some blokes asking me if I live surrounded by lions, monkeys, and shit as if I'm freaking Tarzan's relative.
Yeah, just cause I hated it doesn't mean you shouldn't watch it. Check it out and see for yourself, who know you might not hate it as much as I do.
I also don't mind spoilers, I always read comments before watching any drama to see if something included in it might be a deal breaker or something. The biggest reason I didn't drop it is cause I dislike dropping shows after starting them and so I finished lots of trash drama, besides sometimes a drama can have an awful start then gets better in later episodes (This case is rare though).
First issue: it's filled with all types of toxic ass tropes that came out/were popular during the 2000s.
1- The overly naïve, weak. helpless, crybaby, irresponsible, indecisive, FL with no braincells and likes to make stupid decisions that lead everyone around her to get hurt and be pissed off, that allows the male leads to control, abuse, sexually harass, bully, and be overall misogynistic as fuck to her, and the bitch just stand there looking either dazed, or scared letting them do and say whatever they want. In this FL's case, she so annoying I don't even feel bad for her at this point like seriously...
She never speaks to clear misunderstandings, just hide them to add more fuel to the fire and make herself seem like the one who is doing wrong things then when people hate her for it, she runs away to cry alone like a brat.
2- Creepy, abusive, overly violent, rude, piece of shit ML who of course has mommy/daddy issues to use an excuse for being a total scum. As soon as he realizes FL is into someone else he goes and decide to kiss her forcibly and create problems between her and her actual love interest in the start. He bully her a lot first then only shows interest after she is into another guy then he decides that he owns her, he knows she is gonna be his step sister yet doesn't care, makes her miserable and cry all the time, put her in dangerous situations, and yet expect her to fall hard for him (Which what happens sadly) instead of attacking him with a baseball bat.
He is supposed to be the tsundere, cold, cool, rarely kind and good deep inside type, but he didn't grow on me at all. Maybe because I despise Tsundere characters, though some of them can be cute and very loveable like few cases in anime (Kyo from fruits Basket, Misaki from Maid-sama, Kagura from Gintama, Erza from Fairy Tail. Inuyasha from Inuyasha, and Yun from Akatsuki no Yona are very good examples). ML in this drama isn't the good type.
3- Some incest elements, like why are people obsessed with this step siblings...etc disgusting bullshit?!
4- Second ML who clearly is a better option, yet FL rejects him and go for the toxic freak after playing well with his feelings.
5- Annoying as hell parents.
6- Nosy ass friends who seem to suffer to keep their mouth shut exposing the leads secretes, and love to include themselves in everything related to ML and FL's love life. To be fair the FL's friends are way more likeable than her and one of them is actually useful at times, scolding the FL which she deserves.
The friend falling for the second ML was kinda odd at start, but then I actually liked it cause at least he is better than ML, and she is better than FL, besides she waited till FL rejected him before flirting with him and before she tried to help them become a couple so I actually support them.
7- Second FL who is an absolute unlikeable gross bitch, with very criminal like behavior and extreme obsession with ML. Of course they give her a sad past which is supposed to make watchers sympathy with her, but seriously she deserves getting bullied for being a bitch, she doesn't deserve pity or help at all! Then make another guy be obsessed with her (And why?) nothing about her is likeable in first place! He is such a simp that he allows her to make him do stupid criminal shit as well.
8- Very boring and typical plot that gets dragged to the point where it's exhausting.
9- Love triangles and crap. Also why did that Ahrang dude exist? He is basically a literal psychopath who stalks and chases after FL and even threaten and tries to get his ass killed to force her to date him and is like "I never had any girl reject me, so even if I have to attempt suicide I will make you love me!" lmao really! Do people really find these fucked up guys attractive and charming?!
10- this one isn't a big deal, but the part where the ML decided to play guitar in a concert and wears some sort of mask that covers his eyes only and all of a sudden no one in his college seem to know who he is, including FL who only figures out it's him from the scarf he was wearing around his wrist, which he took from her earlier. This is actually a thing that became popular from super heroes shows and it never fails to irk me lol
Second issue:
Overacting, it felt as if I was watching an awful live action drama, inspired by some old shoujo manga, and everyone tried so hard to act like anime characters which never works in real life. Every single one of them does it to make it more horrifying.
1- FL tries so freaking hard to seem cute and childlike by pouting, over smiling, and making ugly confused or sulking expressions half of the time. Like the actress is kinda cute look-wise, she doesn't need to be that forcibly childish to be cute. It ruins everything. They are supposed to be in college, whole ass adults, so why make her act like a 4 years old?! Only perverted weirdos will find that shit cute lmao
2- ML does everything in such a hardcore way it's not even funny, he runs, walks, and fight like it's the end of the world. Don't get me started on his smirk thing that is supposed to be sexy I guess? But it makes him look like a maniac that enjoys stabbing others or something. He is really hot though and his odd hairstyle actually fit him, but obviously he looks way better with his hair down.
3- The parents...these two are a walking cancer. The mom acts like someone punched her so hard, she kinda lost it. The father is either acting like a total middle aged creep that love assaulting teen girls like what he does to the FL (Like when he is talking to her and suddenly grabs her arms by both his hands so aggressively while saying weird shit like "Now I have a cute daughter! I will take care of you!" blah blah, and looks crazy while she makes a very startled expression to make it even more disturbing), or he acts like a retard in a very irritating way.
Other issues:
I don't get why they rushed the relationship between ML and FL, I expected them to take at least 10 episodes before officially becoming a couple, to give more time for FL and second ML to interact properly, but I blinked and the main leads were into each other already even though FL was so into the second ML for kinda long time (Which shows she didn't truly like him, cause if she did, ain't no way in hell she would fall for ML that quick and forget second ML instantly).
Good things:
Most cast are very good looking and the fashion/hairstyles were not bad considering the time the drama was made. Their looks kinda reminded me of many shoujo animes that also came out in late 90s - early 2000s. Sadly this is the only good thing I have about the drama...lmao
Honestly only 10-13 years old millennial kids who were raised during the times these shows were made can enjoy this shit, I was very young back then and I'm 24 years old currently so there is no way I can find this kids-teens focused crap good. Even back when I was a kid, I didn't really enjoy most of the overly cliché romance stuff. (Obviously other cliché garbage came out during our gen Z era like Twillight...etc which I also hated, so no offense to older generations, and some old things were very great even better than newer ones, I know well, but most people would prefer things that came out during their time since they feel attached to them).