Considering it's a crime drama, no at all. Compared to other dramas of the same genres (Like Mouse for example)…
Well, it does has a dark side to it. Spoiler alert!!!
It is a thriller though. Like for example: the villain does some psychological manipulation of people which leads them to committing crimes while believing they are doing the right thing, kind of like a cult mindset and the main lead has a dark life story related to the villain as well...etc It's still not as dark as Mouse of course but it still has dark elements as well so if you're into that check it out.
Wow, I literally forced myself to watch all episodes of this season today all cause I wanted to know what happened to Yo Han and the Monomother. (Also at this point I'm addicted to Yeon Woo's / Yoo Jun's pretty face, like I'm both impressed and angry due to envy by his looks...lmao). But hell, I almost fell sleep during the fifth episode and stopped caring about the plot by ep 6. I was glad they decided to focus more on the mono/probe and mystery side of the story cause I think the concept of this drama is really unique and could make a really great plot with 16 episodes of full length, but it was an awful disappointment. The acting was better and Hyuk's (I was startled when I found out he is acting in this drama since it's a BL and he is from a well known group, I love VIXX!) acting is better than the acting of Yeon Woo's probe in first season but they still didn't have chemistry at all. Just normal friends vibe and that's it. Yoo Jun's had more chemistry with Yo Han honestly and the ending was shit. I actually preferred first season more even with the decent acting and cringey moments here and there. Also the fighting scenes were fake as hell and that forced kiss scene was painful to watch. I don't 100% understand the ending, like did Yeon Woo forget about Yo Han and decide to be with Sehyun or what exactly? The last episode felt pointless. Watching Hyuk with bandages all over his body was funny though.
Sean said the correct thing about the fingerprints you know, if they don't have it stored in government databases…
My point here is yeah they are young adults and yeah they won't be as great at planning as professional gangsters or whatever they are called but still they aren't 6 years old, they can come up with things that are better than that, especially since they all study politics or whatever in university so it clear they shouldn't be dumb. About the burning building and other stuff, yeah they didn't know someone was inside but what would happened if the fire spread too far and lead to a bigger disaster? People were actually inside (They didn't know, yeah) but how would they feel if they hear on news that people died in that fire that they created to protest against the rich bad people and their wrongdoings? It's just like deciding to light a fire in an abandoned hunted forest (Which supposedly everyone avoids going to), assuming it's empty and then a shit ton of animals, nature and few random people who decided to go camping there for thriller sake in that cursed day or whatever happened to end up dying thanks to it? (I know this might sound illogical and extreme at first but what I mean is just assuming that your actions won't hurt someone doesn't mean that shit can't go south and that you shouldn't be ashamed of doing wrong things). You do realize many criminals weren't criminals since birth, but then they do stupid shit, get caught and they they get criminals records? What they are doing will lead to that probably, especially with how awfully low intelligence their plans and cautiousness level is. What if Yok gets caught? What will happen to his poor disabled mother? She is already suffering enough and he has to make it worse for her! I mean yeah the whole nicknames thing in Thailand is true but still not every Gram in Thailand has a blonde hair. Just cause they covered their mouth and noses doesn't mean no one can figure out who they are when they see them. It's just like stupid super heroes logic when they wear masks that only cover their dang eyeballs and then everyone wouldn't figure out who they are till they take the masks off. There is something like hairstyle, body physic, height, weight, skin tone, voice...etc About Sean and White being a toxic couple, I mean they are supposed to become a couple in future, but becoming a couple with someone who strangled the shit out of me while being angry doesn't sound like a great option at all. Also I will still watch the drama cause I just want to know who exactly hurt Black like that about the only thing I care for now (Although I kinda have an answer to that but it might be wrong). Also I think Gun and Off acting got better in this drama which is another reason to still give the next one or two episodes a chance. In my opinion if you truly want to change the world and the dark sides of it, you should start by making yourself better and stronger instead of doing stuff that could ruin your future, your whole life and family's safety. (Ex: you want the medical treatment to get better in your country, some diseases to get cure or help poor people get cured easier then you should do it by becoming a doctor yourself and coming up with solutions using your skills and talents/curing poor people for free or cheap costs instead of burning hospitals for not allowing poor people to get cured in them or destroying rotten doctors belongings as punishment. Obviously that won't help anyone at all. It might calm down your wrath for few minutes but that's about it and you will go back to feeling like garbage cause they won't change and more rotten doctors and system will appear). They can become politicians and try to get into high positions to help their country instead of destroying places and putting themselves and others in danger. They are literally nobodies at this point, if they get killed no one will care (Apart from their poor family who will pay the price the most). They will just die like dogs and be forgotten about or just be known as the stupid kids who committed crimes/ challenged the evil wealthy people and died miserably as a result which will only make other people more terrified to take action to change the country like them.
Considering it's a crime drama, no at all. Compared to other dramas of the same genres (Like Mouse for example)…
Oh, I did watch half of season one till now and am not planning to watch the second season. I will just finish the first and call it a day. Same with Save Me, I just watched the first season.
Sean said the correct thing about the fingerprints you know, if they don't have it stored in government databases…
First: Even if your damn fingerprints aren't stored or whatever that doesn't mean you got to wander around doing illegal shit without wearing gloves or anything. If leaving your fingerprints or DNA someplace isn't gonna lead to you being arrested then how does the police use that to arrest criminals? Like did Sean burn his finger tips and that's why his fingerprints aren't gonna create troubles? Or maybe he lives as an illegal immigrant and that's why the government don't have any data related to his existence? Even in my shit third world poor ass country with garbage police force and government system, they take your damn fingerprints and store them before you become a freaking adult. Second: I wasn't judging what Yok and Gram said, I was judging that they picked a very wrong time to discuss love and philosophy while they are doing an illegal act, and they even went as far as taking off their masks / bandanas which could lead to their faces being seen accidentally. Gram even kept yelling Yok's real name in front of the guards for fucks sake! They don't even bother having fake names to use while they are doing that stupid shit. White also allowed that dude who works in the factory to see his face, like seriously?! I'm not expecting them to figure out that he has a twin and all that ridiculous story, but at least think that Black is secretly trying to lead to their ruin by constantly ruining their plans. How can they trust someone like that and keep him in the gang?! They even still view him as a freaking leader. Also if they want to do revolutionary acts and protests...blah blah then sure, why not if it's for good case but is burning buildings (Almost killing people in the process) and forcing the other poor citizens to waste money on drinks that taste awfully bitter and make them drink them is the bets way to do that? They are on their way to become bad themselves by acting like gangsters and terrorists at this point. They can try to help people figure out the bad things the rich people do, not commit crimes in secret and hope people would magically view them as heroes. I don't like this becoming criminal yourself to punish criminals mentality. Their plans are so dumb and not well thought, yeah they want happiness and love or whatever but if you really wanna change the world you should use your brain properly. Throwing tantrums like a brat and doing stupid shit that could lead to harming not only yourself but other people and making your family members be miserable by seeing you dead or in jail in future isn't the most mature nor best solution. I'm sorry but there is no way in hell the plot of this drama and the characters actions aren't flawed but it's still a good step to maybe making an actually flawless BL drama with strong plot and well written characters in future, I suppose. They are already trying to drop their toxic stereotypes in Thai BLs lately, so I guess that does give us hope. (But Sean and White are obviously in the toxic couples list after what happened in ep 6 ending. I can't ship them easily after seeing that crap). Also yeah am forcing myself to watch but whether I drop this drama or not is something I will decide depending my mood, thanks for the suggestion anyway.
I almost done with this drama, only 5 episodes left to go. Well, what can I say - I expected more realistic and…
I finished 12 episodes and yes, the only reason I keep watching is because of Taec Yeon. I love his character but everything else pisses me off greatly. Especially side characters (The plaza annoying residents, I want them to disappear at this point. Every time they show on screen, I just skip instantly cause I can't handle the awful humor). The plot is garbage honestly...if they focused more on dark/serious side and totally dropped the over the top humor and acting and shit characters, then the drama would be much much better in my opinion.
This is just question, I am only at ep 4 but does soo Yoel date anyone or end up with someone, in this series?
Well, only one episode left, but they are mostly focused on the crime side than the romantic side till now. I don't think they are gonna bother with romance at this point which I personally prefer.
Considering it's a crime drama, no at all. Compared to other dramas of the same genres (Like Mouse for example) I watched, it's not even as half as dark as them and it has many comedy moments. Even the fight scenes are more on the comedic side.
You are certainly not the only one. I find it too slow for my taste and the romance is nowhere to be seen
Exactly! Where is the damn romance?! I don't know why they tend to make Off and Gun a toxic couple. Same happened in Theory of Love when Off's character treated Gun's character like shit most of the time.
I don't get why so many here think that singto is a bad actor. Maybe he is not the best, but it's enough for me…
I think the issue is with how his character is written. Maze is a total asshole. I mean I also suffer from anxiety and anger issues, but seriously he keeps making big mistakes with how he handles his relationship with Phap.
Spoiler alert!!!
It is a thriller though. Like for example: the villain does some psychological manipulation of people which leads them to committing crimes while believing they are doing the right thing, kind of like a cult mindset and the main lead has a dark life story related to the villain as well...etc It's still not as dark as Mouse of course but it still has dark elements as well so if you're into that check it out.
I was glad they decided to focus more on the mono/probe and mystery side of the story cause I think the concept of this drama is really unique and could make a really great plot with 16 episodes of full length, but it was an awful disappointment.
The acting was better and Hyuk's (I was startled when I found out he is acting in this drama since it's a BL and he is from a well known group, I love VIXX!) acting is better than the acting of Yeon Woo's probe in first season but they still didn't have chemistry at all. Just normal friends vibe and that's it. Yoo Jun's had more chemistry with Yo Han honestly and the ending was shit. I actually preferred first season more even with the decent acting and cringey moments here and there.
Also the fighting scenes were fake as hell and that forced kiss scene was painful to watch. I don't 100% understand the ending, like did Yeon Woo forget about Yo Han and decide to be with Sehyun or what exactly? The last episode felt pointless. Watching Hyuk with bandages all over his body was funny though.
About the burning building and other stuff, yeah they didn't know someone was inside but what would happened if the fire spread too far and lead to a bigger disaster? People were actually inside (They didn't know, yeah) but how would they feel if they hear on news that people died in that fire that they created to protest against the rich bad people and their wrongdoings? It's just like deciding to light a fire in an abandoned hunted forest (Which supposedly everyone avoids going to), assuming it's empty and then a shit ton of animals, nature and few random people who decided to go camping there for thriller sake in that cursed day or whatever happened to end up dying thanks to it? (I know this might sound illogical and extreme at first but what I mean is just assuming that your actions won't hurt someone doesn't mean that shit can't go south and that you shouldn't be ashamed of doing wrong things).
You do realize many criminals weren't criminals since birth, but then they do stupid shit, get caught and they they get criminals records? What they are doing will lead to that probably, especially with how awfully low intelligence their plans and cautiousness level is. What if Yok gets caught? What will happen to his poor disabled mother? She is already suffering enough and he has to make it worse for her! I mean yeah the whole nicknames thing in Thailand is true but still not every Gram in Thailand has a blonde hair. Just cause they covered their mouth and noses doesn't mean no one can figure out who they are when they see them. It's just like stupid super heroes logic when they wear masks that only cover their dang eyeballs and then everyone wouldn't figure out who they are till they take the masks off. There is something like hairstyle, body physic, height, weight, skin tone, voice...etc
About Sean and White being a toxic couple, I mean they are supposed to become a couple in future, but becoming a couple with someone who strangled the shit out of me while being angry doesn't sound like a great option at all. Also I will still watch the drama cause I just want to know who exactly hurt Black like that about the only thing I care for now (Although I kinda have an answer to that but it might be wrong). Also I think Gun and Off acting got better in this drama which is another reason to still give the next one or two episodes a chance.
In my opinion if you truly want to change the world and the dark sides of it, you should start by making yourself better and stronger instead of doing stuff that could ruin your future, your whole life and family's safety. (Ex: you want the medical treatment to get better in your country, some diseases to get cure or help poor people get cured easier then you should do it by becoming a doctor yourself and coming up with solutions using your skills and talents/curing poor people for free or cheap costs instead of burning hospitals for not allowing poor people to get cured in them or destroying rotten doctors belongings as punishment. Obviously that won't help anyone at all. It might calm down your wrath for few minutes but that's about it and you will go back to feeling like garbage cause they won't change and more rotten doctors and system will appear). They can become politicians and try to get into high positions to help their country instead of destroying places and putting themselves and others in danger.
They are literally nobodies at this point, if they get killed no one will care (Apart from their poor family who will pay the price the most). They will just die like dogs and be forgotten about or just be known as the stupid kids who committed crimes/ challenged the evil wealthy people and died miserably as a result which will only make other people more terrified to take action to change the country like them.
Second: I wasn't judging what Yok and Gram said, I was judging that they picked a very wrong time to discuss love and philosophy while they are doing an illegal act, and they even went as far as taking off their masks / bandanas which could lead to their faces being seen accidentally. Gram even kept yelling Yok's real name in front of the guards for fucks sake! They don't even bother having fake names to use while they are doing that stupid shit. White also allowed that dude who works in the factory to see his face, like seriously?! I'm not expecting them to figure out that he has a twin and all that ridiculous story, but at least think that Black is secretly trying to lead to their ruin by constantly ruining their plans. How can they trust someone like that and keep him in the gang?! They even still view him as a freaking leader.
Also if they want to do revolutionary acts and protests...blah blah then sure, why not if it's for good case but is burning buildings (Almost killing people in the process) and forcing the other poor citizens to waste money on drinks that taste awfully bitter and make them drink them is the bets way to do that? They are on their way to become bad themselves by acting like gangsters and terrorists at this point. They can try to help people figure out the bad things the rich people do, not commit crimes in secret and hope people would magically view them as heroes. I don't like this becoming criminal yourself to punish criminals mentality.
Their plans are so dumb and not well thought, yeah they want happiness and love or whatever but if you really wanna change the world you should use your brain properly. Throwing tantrums like a brat and doing stupid shit that could lead to harming not only yourself but other people and making your family members be miserable by seeing you dead or in jail in future isn't the most mature nor best solution.
I'm sorry but there is no way in hell the plot of this drama and the characters actions aren't flawed but it's still a good step to maybe making an actually flawless BL drama with strong plot and well written characters in future, I suppose. They are already trying to drop their toxic stereotypes in Thai BLs lately, so I guess that does give us hope. (But Sean and White are obviously in the toxic couples list after what happened in ep 6 ending. I can't ship them easily after seeing that crap).
Also yeah am forcing myself to watch but whether I drop this drama or not is something I will decide depending my mood, thanks for the suggestion anyway.