ShortCircuit

I'd tell you to watch HIP not for the leads but the SML... but can't explain why without spoiling it. Whenever you feel like it, you could give it a shot - it's more than it looks to be. :)

No clifhangers on the main plot. There's no way the villain is going to be transported to season 2 (unless in flashbacks). It has to have a whole new plotline, and as this is a detective story, there's plenty of police plotlines going 'round :)

Hopefully they do as good a job as in the first season. Keeping fingers crossed.

Just started Watcher, kind of a similar vibe to Beyond Evil, though it might have some lower marks in the end, don't know yet (too soon to tell).

The Good Detective might be a good try, less serious in mood but also good two-detective dynamics between the MCs.

Nobody Knows is a great series, more psychological than whodunnit, but amazing chemistry between MCs and support cast.

Bad Guys (the original, not the sequel or the movie) is great, too.

Maybe Mad Dog, too, just for the teamwork and Woo Do Hwan (in case you haven't watched anything with WDH in it).

Voice, too - the first season is the best one IMHO. I haven't lost hope with the 4th one (yet to come), but well, after 2&3... (first is its own beast, the second and third change the ML from Jang Hyuk to someone else and the mood changes completely.

Edit and if you want to have your heart broken in a supposedly light-hearted, paranormal, idol-MCed drama, try He is Psychometric.

The first few eps are the ones that either catch and hold you, or not. They set the dynamics between the characters, and later on, when there's a bit - or more - of politicking - the dynamics is supposed to tide you over. IMHO you're supposed to empathize with either of the MCs (because the serial killer is not a main focus in the story) and get involved with their respective paths.

For me, it was HJW's quirks that first caught me, but later on I was moved by LDS' troubles. Them becoming an actual working team came later on.

I'd advise you continue watching it, if you're so inclined, but you can also move it to on-hold for when the mood for gray-area detective stories comes on :)

PS For me it was an overall 8.5, but 8.5 is a high mark for me, and I do like detective/police stories.

So I see the shenaningans are beginning again... Checking Top Shows for something interesting and tried to watch, I find that a drama rated 9.1 by 23k users of MDL is ranked 7th while a drama released a week ago, rated 9.1 by 2k users, is ranked 5th. The top two dramas are also ranked 2&3, with an equal 9.1 mark, by around the same amount of people - some 19k, give or take a few hundreds. None of them are 1st though, what's the 1st rank drama on MDL, does anyone know?!

Also, those thousands of missing comments out of the blue, too...

But let's pretend this is a merits-based system, not a byzantine, unknown and unexplainable marking system and move on.

I stumbled upon a Korean person's reactions to TU and fell yet again in the re-watch mode. This drama is an ever-giving gift. I still have no other coming closer to it. I just wish there was some decent competition... It's hard getting your heart handed to you on each episode...

You're right, KJM didn't directly kill LYY, but he as good as did - he had kidnapped her, cut off her fingers etc, when she escaped. If it weren't for him, HJW's father wouldn't have hit her with his car.

But that's not the most important thing. Why would he cut off her fingers, though? BSJ did keep annoy him with her finger pointing (I misremembered it was Jae Yi's mom who did that, in a drunken rage) but LYY was too shocked to do something like that. It might have meant something to him.

Re: not needing to understand the killer's motivation. No, I don't actually sympathize with murderers or serial killers (in drama or real life) but some sort of logical explanation is usually presented. What I meant was that he had a lot of details (caring for LDS's mom, the stutter, the complicated relationship with his (?) daughter, etc). Usually, when there's a fleshing out of a character, you can better love/hate them. Too bidimensional and you wouldn't actually care if he's caught or not. The drama provided a bare minimum, but well, let's say it was just enough.

By the way. How come LDS's mom knew that there was something wrong with the wall? Did she always know, did she suspect, did she go mad after the shocks of seeing her son arrested, her husband dead, her daughter maybe being walled up in her basement?... Those are some details that would have enhanced LDS's backstory, IMHO.

But I'm happy with what we got. I'd like a second season :D

What remained partially unexplained - or maybe I lost track of it - was WHY did Kang Jin Mook kill Yu Yeon in the first place? Did she witness him killing Ju Seon? And why did he kill Ju Seon after all, he hadn't been married yet and hadn't had cause to break down and start killing prostitutes of other women who reminded him of his (unfaithful) wife?

I got the finger pointing part of the serial killer psychopathy (after all it was thrown at our faces heavily with even LDS threatening KMJ to stop pointing or he'd cut his fingers off.) But WHY did it bother KMJ so much, and how come he was known to be a stutterer but he was pretending to be one (much like LCJ pretending to limp), had he done that all his life? The one person who was legit a murderer was somehow left a bit undeveloped when the second half of the story started.

Does anyone here speak a bit of Russian? All those words that LCJ threw around didn't sound much like Russian to me, LOL. Good thing they got Korean-translated so we knew what he was saying.

Also, some praise for the character of Jeong Je. That poor guy wasn't so stable probably in the first place, but to go two decades without even realizing he'd hit his own lover and then to believe he'd killed her after all... His mom was a fool but also a psycho.

A good drama, in the end. I'd have loved a bit more tightening of the plot, but it wasn't that bad, and I'm completely ready for season 2. I hear they're all the rage lately. Can we bring it on somehow?

This should be called Beyond Evil: A Love Story.

It started with distrust and mutual dislike, went into a cautious dance around one another in order to see how they think and what makes them tick, then somehow it suddenly clicked and they were an old couple, reading each other's mind and going the distance for one another. I loved that progression. I want more.

Now that this origins story is told, how soon can we get another season? Even if it's just HJW with some undercover help from LDS, it should happen, IMHO. I mean, it isn't so far-fetched. If The Good Detective got a second season, why not this one?

The best thriller in the past six months is still Flower of Evil for me, but this comes rather close. I'll be checking the actors' past and future careers.

Yeah, still not pleased with this news. *shrugging* Guess we'll see.

1. He is not their son, it's a mutual benefitting relationship between him and the parents. The reasons for it are major spoilers, but oh well. You'll see.

2. DHS is the son of an already dead serial killer. He's probably highly functioning autistic, but he's painted as a sociopath by those who knew him in his childhood (when his mother went missing and his father was eventually found out to be a serial killer.) DHS went into hiding years ago and nobody knows where he is - not even his sister. There is a still not-found presumed victim of his father, and people assume DHS knows where her body is, so everybody would very much want to catch him and find out. And he's also accused of having murdered a village foreman before going into hiding so he's still a wanted criminal*.

3. That one's a bit more tricky. DHS is innocent. But BHS... let's leave that for when you've watched more of the drama and become aware of who these people actually are :D

*There was a time in SK when even murder (including serial murders) had a statute of limitations (15 years before 2007, that was transformed into 25 years until 2015, when it was completely removed.) That meant that if a killer was successfully hiding for 15 or 25 years respectively, even if they were caught, they wouldn't be convicted of the crimes. Which sucks for the victims and their families, and why the statute of limitations was removed. DHS would have probably tried to stay hidden for 25 years to forever, otherwise, and get away with the (accusation of) murder.

She doesn't really have a good motive to actually spy on his convos, does she? Just a suspicion. And she's still in love with him and ready to find reasons for him not to be a bad guy. Add to that she doesn't want to set her police colleagues onto him, she's trying to figure things out for herself, first.

Also, I imagine actual one-way sending bugs need a lot of battery, it wouldn't be so easily ignored. BHS/DHS isn't stupid, if he really was a bad guy finding a bug on his watch would definitely put him on his guard.

I'll watch him in a paint-drying commercial where he's only staring at the wall. Anything, please, soon! It's been so long!

Yup. That scene when he's calling the police station and his voice breaks when he asks about the child... My heart went to pieces. That's probably the most emotional scene of the whole series - and there are so many of them.

Have you seen BLACK? It's the same writer. That one was AMAZING throughout, and then fell apart in the last two or three episodes, because she couldn't decide how to wrap it all up. And that story was nowhere near as twisty as this one, though it too had plenty of twists.

What I'm saying is that I don't really trust the writer to provide a logical, well-thought out tale with a satisfying ending. And we're way past the half way point, and instead of trying to explain some points and untagle things, she goes in deeper and deeper for the shock value. I could care less about being shocked by revelations that THIS character TOO is a psycho, this character TOO isn't innocent, this person HERE is actually another victim of two or three serial killers (living in the same area, imprisoned in the same place, being smarter than the police too etc). This is extremely repetitive already.

I am not impressed. I just liked KMC in the beginning, but now I don't like any of them. It's just inertia taking me through the episodes, and I have this nagging feeling it's the same for most actors in it. Too bad.

It makes sense the police is looking for the killers, BUT all the victims are also connected to said killers, and daughters and sons of said killers, and it just SO happens there's just one prison in the whole South Korea that ALL caught killers and rapists end up in, and not only so, but in the same cells, too.

Did you see the wife of the HH being related to Daniel Lee, married to the HH (obviously) mother to a psycho (who also is a serial killer), and attacked by yet another serial killer who after killing a man and masking it as self-defense shared a cell with the presumably innocent scapegoat for the killings, who is the father of the fiancee of the son of the wanna-be MP, who is in the party of the president trying to win a reelection, who has a secretary who approved that the HH (also spending his time in the SAME prison) should do a brain transplant on the one cop who (maybe) has psycho genes, but is a good guy, and is an acquintance of the HH's son, who ends up a donor for the brain transplant (unless he's still alive, who knows), and oh let's not forget that the serial rapist+killer's DNA ends up planted on the killing site of another pedophile rapist who just SO happens to hunt down the one girl said (maybe) psycho policeman is interested in AND SO ON AND SO FORTH...

If these kinds of things are acceptable, even in dramaland, then I want to be there and play the lottery. I'd definitely win the biggest prizes, repeatedly, if I could just evade the whole psycho killers saga.

This does not recquire a simple suspension of disbelief, this requires a complete lobotomy, when one is supposed to just ignore all the plot holes and just try to find explanations for the actions of people who keep retconning their own memories and whatnot.

At this point, I'm only watching with a half-on-half-off interest, because none of the MCs is likable any more (except for the politician's detective son - NEPO - who's going to marry the serial rapist+killer's scapegoat father's daughter, UNLESS he turns out to be a shady character too. Oh and his fiancee - the daughter of the scapegoat dad, was also almost killed off by yet ANOTHER serial killer - the son of the detective who took the fall initially before being killed off in a hospital bed, the one that KMC tried to take the fall for in order to end up in the HH's prison so that he could kill the HH - wait, let's not go down that rabbit hole again).

You know what I mean? I'm usually good with details and could follow along a plot - there is no plot here, other than twists and turns and a game of mirrors and smoke. I guess people like the shock factor - there's no shock factor in this for me at this point, and the messy writing is making me sorry I ever started this.

Still not dropping it yet, because I'm contrary like that, but then again... this could have been something actually good and it's just... not.

So vigilante cop doesn't approve of other people going vigilante and will do anything (not that it means anything, given the state of the police in this show) to catch them?

Most of the actors either started phoning in their performances, or the editing makes it seem so. Lee Jee Hoon's KMC was the most interesting chara going in, now he's there for the sake of providing background for twists and plot holes and whatnot. The writer put in so many twists and turns that it's impossible to make sense of this, it's looking more and more like a train wreck and/or stream of consciousness instead of a logical story. I'm not even going to touch the levels of stupidity of having Daniel Lee back in the picture after presumably being killed off by the HH's son, only to conduct a train-a-serial-killer experiment on a police officer instead of helping him cope or something. Because you know, that's what NORMAL people do. And he's also so CERTAIN that's how things work - this psycho killer WILL get the hunger for more killings, this brain transplant IS to blame, there is NOTHING anybody can do to help BR instead of turning him into a killer etc. So stupid.

And I'll bet it'll turn out it's actually the HH in BR's imagination instead, giving him instructions on who and how to kill, because this is the kind of show it is.

Come to think of it, the HH is out of the picture, and still EVERYBODY in this drama is involved with more than one serial killer at one time, and all of them know each other, and even in deep relationships. That's so statistically improbable, it's taken all the fun out of making jokes on the drama's account.

Yeah. Episode 13 and nothing much going on.

I did see it on the main page, for a few minutes (enough for the first reply, anyway). Then I couldn't see it any more (as well not seeing the Disney+ kdrama news either). Now I can only find it when you reply LOL.

I guess you'll get more replies once it's posted in the FP again, right?

Re: BOF, wasn't he hit by a car, though? It's been a very long time, I have this (very) vague impression of being in a secluded street corner somewhere with the MT trucking down toward him... unless it's a mix up with another character or another drama, which it may very well be :D

Add another - one of the BEST (or worst, depending on angle) MT cousins in kdrama is Ming Joon Gook's semi when it hits the car in which Soo Ha and his father were in, in "I Hear Your Voice", one of my favourite dramas. Then again, Soo Ha is played by Lee Jong Suk, so he just MIGHT be immune to MT and their cousins LOL.

Oh and wasn't there a MT in "Boys Over Flowers"? I think I hazily remember LMH's amnesia being caused by a HAR. (So a corollary is that, when the MT doesn't kill you, it'll definitely cause amnesia LOL).

I haven't watched the Korean version of "Let's Fight Ghost", but I'm watching the Thai version now, and there's a MT cousin heavily present there, LOL. I'm told the Thai version follows the Korean one pretty closely, so there's probably something similar there, too.

... And while he was being a good guy (I'm behind, only on episode 10 now), LSG's Ba Reum chara in "Mouse" got plowed by a semi, too LOL. Got a broken leg, no amnesia, but hey, half a trope is still a trope :D

Edit: Oh and another MT cousin hit LSG in "Flower of Evil", too (poor LSG, he might be a MT&co magnet. He is a magnet for me *heart eyes*). I could do this edit thing all day, LOL.

... We are surrounded by MTs!! O.o

SPOILERS might follow.

My first sighting of the Murder Truck was when it hit Ji Sung in "Save the Last Dance for Me". (It caused the FIRST amnesic episode because of course it did). I didn't know how much damage it could still do... But then it kept coming back for more (in its disguises, too. How do you feel about it's lesser tonnage cousins that keep hitting people right when they're supposed to?!)

Like, for example, it hit the police car Lee Joon Gi was in, in "Two Weeks" - it definitely wanted to kill LSG's chara, but we all know nobody can put LSG in a corner when it's a melo-action drama. Go, LSG!! *waves fan-made supporting banner* And I'm not even including the hit that causes the - you guessed it! - amnesic episode in "Time Between Wolf and Dog"!

Or the T-2 reminiscent Murder Truck that brought about the beginning of "The Uncanny Counter"'s origin story - including evil spirit and all. Good job! Not scary at all! *shivering* (Did I mention it gets repeated performances, future-altering ones, too?!)

I was amazed to see that a clone of the Murder Truck could even miss its target!! (well, not that much as it didn't mean to hit it in the end, just separate the MLs - in "W Two Worlds". But somehow I think it was just some wishful thinking of revenge because of Lee Jong Suk's deliberate destruction of Murder Truck's cousin in "While You Were Sleeping".) "W Two Worlds" has to be the most frustrating drama for Murder Truck to appear in, as LJS's character is able to stop the world and get off instead of being mushed up in an "accident", LOL.

As for unrealistic hit-and-runs... should we talk about "True Beauty" and the anti-gravity properties of HARs that end up causing nothing more than a hilarity-inducing broken leg score of scenes? Yup, it's all a shame for Murder Trucks everywhere better left uncommented on.

And that's just off the top of my head.

Don't expect reports and/or time-stamped proofs, do you really WANT to send a Murder Truck after me, LOL? :D