VixenByNight72

That part. I just want certain viewers to be honest with themselves.

That's the guy.

They allowed Shi Wen to survive the Red Truck Of Doom this time. Just as long as Shen Nan denied acknowledging his true feelings for Shi Wen.

So, you can be in love with someone, but just never, ever declare it. Sigh.

I feel that this need to "see" Fuji's back story" is for some viewers to understand his behavior/actions. Most manipulators won't willingly introduce themselves to anyone with the intent of showing their true motivations towards them. They put on a facade, a different persona to who they are. The mask is slowly taken off, when they can tell that you're not behaving in the way that you used to do with them. I saw that mask of Fuji slowly being taken off with each episode of Sei coming out of his isolation with him, during his online and in person interactions with Kazuaki.

Sadly, the "secret" that Sei felt Fuji had was all about his need to keep control over him and not actual any care for him.

Which is exactly why Sei is minimizing what happened between him and Fuji. He's spent years truly believing that Fuji cared for him, out of real love for him. Nobody, and I mean nobody who professes to care and love you would ever decide to assault you in that way.

ETA: Sigh. I just saw the post from this one. Nope, paying for a TV for Sei, when for years prior you never had one, because you didn't watch TV isn't a sign of affection. Wow.

"They should not have to choose between having a fulfilling career and having a personal relationship with the male/female they choose. They should be able to enjoy both."

They also should not have to apologize for choosing to maintain their careers AND still keep their chosen person in their lives as well.

Yet, we still continue to see a certain type of fan losing their minds over things that have never, ever been under their control.

"....it seems like the writers really understand all of that and wanted to make a subtle comment about it."

It would have been ridiculous, absurd, and quite a fantasy for the GMMTV writers to not include any sort of fan fallout from them finding out that "their bias" was actually dating someone that they had no idea about in this Thai BL about Thai pop band members finding love in their personal lives. We see it happening all the time. These companies rarely, if ever truly support their artists first and foremost. They frankly won't say anything publicly in support until the damage is done, and then they will send out a press release to try and maintain their image as a company.

"the love an idol gives to a fan is not the same as a the one a partner would get and it's not like people have a finite amount of love to give"

Exactly. How much are these idols supposed to give towards his/her/their fans, without having anyone in their private lives to return those feelings back to them in their everyday not lived on stage lives?

"She is absolutely wrong for not telling him from the beginning."

Correct. Kaori was wrong in withholding her sexual issues from Kazuaki from the moment she pursued him. She was the one that initially approached him and said that she was drawn towards him. Then she slowly started to withdraw from him physically, emotionally, and mentally. She saw what she was doing to him, and due to not wanting another failed relationship, she chose to not address anything, until she found out that he had sex with someone else. She had an inkling that something was off. She expected that Kazuaki had sex with a woman. Finding out that it was another man threw Kaori into a loop.

She even said that she could "forgive him" if it was a woman, but the "thought" of him being with a man was so shocking. Her hypocrisy and homophobia was laid bare to anyone with eyes.

Along with her being able to move on from Kazuaki. Once he said that he was done, that was it for her. Did she even mourn the loss of Kazuaki and their relationship?

She walked out of the restaurant with her head held up high, a spring in her step, and no look back at Kazuaki at all.

What boggles my mind, is this intense need to "understand" Kaori's behavior. If Kaori had been a man, doing all of this mess towards Kazuaki, if he had been a woman, would these same viewers want to still "see" Kaori's reasonings for treating Kazuaki so horribly?

They are choosing not to see the signs of Fuji's abusive manipulative actions, yet get pissed off/annoyed by Sei's behavior at the same time. It's crazy, but scarily accurate how people just don't want to see things how they are, because of an outside appearance. Fuji seems like he has Sei's best interests at heart, but it's been revealed that it has always been about making sure that Sei literally has no one else in his life, but Fuji that he can depend on. Even before Fuji raped Sei (yes, that's exactly what he did to him), he still thought that nothing would change between them.

I am so saddened that there are viewers who still don't want to see how manipulative, controlling, and damaging Fuji has been towards Sei.

Is it because this sort of abusive behavior is happening between two male characters?

Kaori finally realized that Kazuaki started to understand that their relationship had changed into something of convenience for her, and he wasn't going to continue lying to himself about it anymore.

Everytime she would find Kazuaki lost in his thoughts or looking at her with confusion.

She was keeping this public facade of being in this "solid" and "loving" relationship with Kazuaki to their friends and her family.

I truly hope that Kazuaki finally ends his relationship with Kaori for good. Not because I want him to end up with Sei.

I just think that if Kaori and Kazuaki continue on in this way, and get married, their future lives will become even more miserable with resentment, frustration, and envy that they allowed themselves to "settle" for someone they're not in love with anymore.

**For those that have read the novel, please do not reply with spoilers." I don't want to be spoiled.

Well, things sort of worked out for Pie, and Boss's still homophopic and abusive dad.

They have Boss still willing to associate with them, while he doesn't have Euro in his life anymore.

Also, that Boss's abusive father can literally kidnap and assault Euro, and nobody thinks to call the police on him.

I just don't think that certain viewers are prepared to see BLs like this one. They cannot wrap their minds about what's being shown, and discussed, because it's usually focused on the 1) visuals of the performers and 2) the hotness factor.

"He is a people pleaser, he doesn't confront his girlfriend, come-clean as you pointed out because he is terrified, afraid of revealing anything to his emotionally manipulative girlfriend, like any victim of gaslighting will be. But I agree he does need to have a very real confrontation with his girlfriend. But red flag behavior?? NO. That's exactly how a VICTIM in an abusive relationship acts!!!"

I feel that certain viewers are thrown off in not wanting to understand the issues and situations that both Kazuaki and Sei are dealing with in their current relationships with Kaori and Fuji, to the point that they need to place blame on Sei and Kazuaki for staying in those situations.

As a "man", Kazuaki should have demanded that Kaori provided for his sexual needs, because that's what all males do right?

Even in Sei's situation, certain folks considered him just asking Fuji to masterbate in front of him as an act of force.

Sei never "forced" sex upon Fuji. He asked Fuji to masterbate and Fuji said no. Didn't Fuji also say that he didn't like it when Sei would bring up things like that?

So, again Sei has tried to get Fuji to discuss their issues, by bringing up the subject. Fuji is the one that continues to deflect and push off what has been one of the very many issues that keeps their situation from changing.

Fuji doesn't want to let go of Sei, even though it's not healhy for him nor Fuji.

They are both not at ease nor comfortable with one another.

Fuji behaves as if anyone is in contact wih Sei, that he will be taken from him.

While Sei feels like he has to give in to Fuji's wants all the time.

I can't have a TV.

I can't smell like I have been out at the bar.

There's no sense of trust or ease within their situation and that's not okay.

What sort of loving friendship or even a romantic relationship is that controlling, when there is no communication, and absolutely no trust?

"What about instead of stupid "red flagging" not re-writing what is happening on the screen just to fit your agenda?"

Because they don’t want to feel bad for "supporting cheating".

Kazuaki wasn't at all smiling, enjoying that he "got away" in having his night and morning with Sei.

He's literally torn over his newly discovered feelings, need, desire, and love for Sei.

This desire to want to describe characters as "red flags" and "green flags" is for romantic comedies. This isn't that type of series.

Agreed. Too much benefit of the doubt from me.

This whole "he suddenly became violent" discussion is exactly why Sei hasn't left Fuji in the first place. Sei didn't see anything wrong in how Fuji has been emotionally and mentally manipulating him, to the point that he believes that he's "dirty and wrong" for wanting something different in his life. It's sad that abuse has to be physically violent in order for it to be seen/described as abuse.

I am definitely going to enjoy this series.