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Lol I just keep watching and rewatching TLB and cannot get over it and keep analyzing and discovering new connections

I agree, although it was fake between the actors, for Chang Ge and Sun it was real and showed how much they love each other

When Retinue Wei talks to Chang Ge about the story, that is when I finally realize what happened with Lady JIn, Li Shi Min, and Li Jian Cheng. At least I think I know most of it.

So Li Shi Min has rescued a young lady and keeps going to war, I think they love each other based on the drama but Li Jian Cheng got her pregnant so she had to marry him.

Because the baby, Li Chang Ge was a mistake and for other reasons, Li Jian Cheng didn't really care for Li Chang Ge but Li Shi Min cared for Li Chang Ge one of the reasons probably being that was the child or a woman he loved and he loved Chang Ge too.

Then one day, Lady Jin eavesdrops and heard Li Jian Cheng's plot to kill Li Shi MIn so she goes back to her room and starts crying and writing a letter to Li Shi Min about everything.

Li Shi Min kills Li Jian Cheng because he would have been killed.

Lady Jin suicides due to guilt that she got her own husband killed to save Li Shi Min.

Then Chang Ge misunderstands the whole thing until she hears the story.

It took me quite a while to realize this and I feel kind of dumb for only realizing this now.

yup! new comments keep coming in!

Ok thank you

Yeah agree Mimi and Wei Shu Yu got extended screen time to fill in the plot parts that might not have entirely made sense and I think they were both "labor characters"

It might have been nice to make them recurring characters but there were too many scenes of them that made them feel like they had a lot of improtance to the story, they did but not as much as the supporting characters

I would put Wei Shu Yu as a recurring charcters and Mimi Guli as recurring and supporting character middle. Mimi had more importance of the drama than Wei Shu Yu because she was the one that brought the plague and threw the dirty water away and she was the one who kind of imformed Chang Ge of what Yi Cheng wanted her to do and she played a big role into helping Chang Ge seize the Sui palace. But I think her role became bigger like you said to fill in some parts

Yeah, Yi Cheng probably was so upset, this gosh darn Chang Ge keeps wrecking her one thought fool proof plans. Yi Cheng chose the right time in the beginnings stages but chose the wrong time when she made her biggest riskiest moves because Li Chang Ge was there are very involved with Eagle Division.

Basically Yi Cheng puts a well thought out plan into action, it works, yay! But in reality Chang Ge tricked Yi Cheng and now shows all the proof that whoever was wronged was framed.

Chang Ge always had ways to fool Yi Cheng. Again and again, Chang Ge defeats Yi Cheng. Chang Ge was almost one step ahead on Yi Cheng. A big reason was because Mimi told everything Yi Cheng wanted her to do to Chang Ge so she was always prepared. Yi Cheng should have tried to make Mimi not talk about what she was going to if she wanted her plan to be 100% fool proof. But since Mimi told Chang Ge, Chang Ge was almost always prepared, even if she wasn't, she could come up with plans on the spot if the circumstances changed.

Also Yi Cheng didn't take the golden chance to kill Chang Ge when the Luo Yi escape thing happened so now she would almost never have a chance to kill the person who always was one step ahead of her and destroying her plans that may have taken years to come up with until the fire scene at the end but Sun still rescued her.

Agree, some of the things I dislike the most are misunderstandings that last for way too long or dumb stuff that doesn't make sense- TLB doesn't have any of it and agree that it is one of the best chinese historical dramas, also the plot moves quite nicely and doesn't stop on one thing for an unreasonable amount of time

agree, the chemistry was amazing and both actors did amazing jobs at portraying their characters, GeSun moments make my heart flutter, so cute and lovely

Oh in episode 35, Lei Meng says she saved his life she that might be a big part of why he is so loyal

Yi Cheng's plans to re-establish Sui were honestly actually pretty good and clever; she was a good villain. Basically-

Step 1. Have some loyal people by you- not sure exactly how she got so many loyal people probably by threatening them or promising them something good

Also, I would like to know why Lei Meng was so loyal to Yi Cheng because there is an exact explanation. My guess would be that it's because he also wants Sui to rise again and feels Yi Cheng's pain.

Sheng Xin is an example of Yi Cheng promising him a good position when Sui is reestablished so he would be willing to trick Crown Prince and lure Chang Ge.

Step 2. Slowly knock down major powers in Ashile

In order for her plan to work, she couldn't have 4, 3, 2, or even 1 strong Khan. I think she killed all her husbands or participated in killing them like what she did the Shule Khan (Sher's father). Because with these powerful men around, even if she worked everything out, they would figure it out and she would be dead as soon as they found out her plots.

She found a nice time where Khan kept drinking and drinking and got sick so she poisoned his medicine and he got sicker and sicker

Step 3. Act nice, kind, and friendly and look like the innocent Khatun

She always helps soldiers and others to act like a kind and friendly person to trick others and build up a good reputation so no one would suspect her early on. She even used Jinse to say bad things about Khatun in front of many tribe leaders and Great Khan to put up an image of an innocent person just being treated badly. Even Shi Xin Sili, Khan's right-hand man was tricked.

Step 4. Knockdown Ashile Sun and Bear Division Tegin

It was going to be much harder to knock down Ashile Sun than Bear Division Tegin because he had almost no weaknesses and then Chang Ge came. Yi Cheng made Sun's mother Alir involved in a crime and Chang Ge too, 2 of the people he cared the most for, then as they were both related to him, Yi Cheng couldn't kill him herself, so Sher or Lei Meng would and explain that they were traitors to Ashile, blah blah, and then Sun would get whirled in and Khan would punish him or something.

Bear Division Tegin had many weaknesses so it was easy to just pit him against Sun because that was one of his most hated enemies.

Step 5. Move capital to Ding Xiang

Would go back to the old Sui place and she might be able to recruit more loyal people of the previous Sui dynasty.

Step 6. Gather all Ashile subordinates and make them loyal to you

Step 7. Now Sui is reestablished

This is like 6 major major big steps, there were probably hundreds of small things Yi Cheng did that I did not mention like- Making 'good use' out of Mimi Guli and Bu Zhen, tricking Chang Ge many times.

Like if she could trick Chang Ge multiple times, you know she was good and clever but in the end, Chang Ge still ruined her plans.

These steps took years like 30 years as mentioned in the drama and her plans all got ruined by Chang Ge, Sun and others.

If Chang Ge and Sun didn't ruin Yi Cheng's plots, she might have actually succeeded, and when everyone finally realized it would be too late.

Agree with you guys, its also fun to discuss all sorts of topics surrounding TLB

same, I just hate waiting for new episodes

Thank you for your explanation and I have now changed my opinion on this topic- I think Mu Jin had a fairly well closure

Thank you for the correction and the information

Yi Cheng went on the wrong track because of hatred that she can never let go of which lead her to do such atrocious deeds and never came back to the right track. She probably had plotted against Great Khan and Sun for some time, maybe years waiting for the perfect timing

That seems possible too but the story has fiction incorporated so I am not sure

great drama summary with no spoilers, better than mine

There is a happy ending

This is a great drama, might not draw you in at first but if you continue, it does. There is a great plot. with some plot twists. The characters are developed well, they have many layers of emotions and feelings to them,

I agree, clearly Dilraba did exceptional well to be able to showcase all these emotions, layers and depth to Chang Ge.

All this pain she had to go through also taught her many lessons. These lessons and morals helped her become a better person.

Agree, she later had some people to rely on but that was before things got better. In the beginning, like you said, she had no real support system, no one to rely on, to cry to, to rant to, she had to hold her emotions inside because she was a wanted criminal too and her identity was special. Like so much pain yet you have to keep it all to yourself. It must have been very hurting and painful. Until later, she could rely on people like A Dou, Gong Sun Heng, Elder Qin, etc. but suffered more pain because of Gong Sun Heng and A Dou's death within a few days and then discovered Ah Zhun's real identity so she lost 2 amazing people and now felt betrayed by another, so her support system cracked deeply, it wasn't until later when she fully trusted Ah Sun did she really have someone to rely on.