Should have like this drama, usually I crave these dramas. Some how it got boring and boring. ML had one expression through out the drama & the FL was acting like a teenage girl.
the priest 2ML was the only interesting character.
but why do the writers have to make FL character into a whiny stupid teenager?
She gets attacked repeatedly, almost losing her life multiple times and what does the FL do. Get drunk out of her senses and act whiny as if she just hit puberty. And episode 1 wants us to believe that she is next in life for one of the top companies in Korea.
Even god cannot save Korean FL's from these stupid writers.
Actually I would consider the best or perfect partner is not always the same for everyone. For example for fl…
no disagreement on idea of perfect partner being different to everyone.
but, just want to know if we can really name a single successful woman who married a regular looking nice guy who is a stay at home husband? Pretty sure there must be at least one case we can point to as an example amongst Chinese and Korean actresses where they married a regular Joe who just cooked, cleaned and massaged her?
coming to the drama, my point was the theme was confusing. What the drama wanted to show was stereotypical roles for women as negative are pretty much shown as the positives when it came to ML. The whole premise that FL fell for ML because of those reasons is wrong. She had a serious relationship with 2ML for many years whom she loved.
Her fear of commitment is a different theme altogether, again, it was confusing. She had no right to demand someone to be around her when she would not commit. The drama does not expand on this especially considering she was ready to marry her ex.
And the last theme that was funny was how for 35 episodes she kept having her own interactions with 2ML while the ML just looked on haplessly and started wailing when ML was seen with another girl.
The underlying themes of the drama were confusing.
The challenges women face at workplace & Gender roles in modern society are absolutely nice and necessary themes to address but the drama addresses them confusingly and often horrendously.
through the FL, the drama challenges the existing norms but then turns around and through the ML, tells us that the best man is one who can cook, clean, give massage, run to their wife whenever she needed help etc etc. basically the best man is one who is willing to take on the so called traditional women's responsibilities.
The worst aspect of this theme probably showing that FL best attributes are what we consider worst attributes in a man. As example, the ML in the whole was earning money, doing house chores, taking care of her, helping her career repeatedly, spending his time giving attention to the FL...While the FL contribution to the ML during the same period is almost negligible. If you flipped the roles of ML and FL in this drama, we would be calling ML undeserving the FL who was constantly helping and looking after the ML, while he cared for his career more than the FL.
I get that, but if you introduce the main protagonist of a story doing something imorall and getting no consequence,…
I see this shit in Kdramas now a days.
Romance in Kdramas used to be charming. recently, you can clearly see western money influencing the storylines.
Lol @ open and committed relationship. Just another term used to fk around and have no consequences. Giving it a name as 'open relationship' just makes it sound cool as opposed to 'trash cheating to fk around'.
The ML's in kdramas are becoming simpy and just plain ugly. You rarely see a man as ML in Kdramas that has romance as main arc. They are just pathetic wimps masquerading as men.
not going to happen.The show is targeted to viewers who want their ML to be very very pure.ML cannot even breathe…
Most of the writers of these kinds of dramas are women.
Makes you wonder if these women writers ever had any meaningful relationships with any men! If they did, they would never write such fake men in their dramas.
When ever I watch these dramas, looking at ML I keep wondering if they are men or Eunuchs.
not going to happen.The show is targeted to viewers who want their ML to be very very pure.ML cannot even breathe…
It's not just this show.
It's pretty much lot of Kdramas and every Cdrama. The ML never develops any meaningful relationships with any women in these dramas and that includes his sister.
Watch few CEO - Cinderella dramas, it gets even worse. There has never been a ML in these kinds of dramas that shows remotest of sexual attraction to opposite sex, except when he falls for the FL. That too, he falls in love and then the attraction starts.
Look at this drama as well. The ML falls in love and then the attraction happens.
the FL's are bit more realistic, they are shown to be attracted to handsome guys. If not out outright attraction, there is acceptance of a guy being hot. The ML on the other hand is never shown to think of other girls as pretty or hot.
not going to happen.The show is targeted to viewers who want their ML to be very very pure.ML cannot even breathe…
engagements does not equate to intimacy or feelings. It was pretty clear that the engagements were all for his to get his mojo back and did not have any romantic entanglements. he basically was looking for someone who can teach him stuff and the sure shot way to get that was engagements. When that did not happen, he kept breaking engagements and looked for other girls with powerful families to teach him. We never ever see the ML being intimate with any women other than the FL. In fact we get confirmation from this 2 male besties that the ML is pretty much a very pure boy in one of the episodes of season 1.
He does have women pining for him but as asian drama ML, the writers would never let him perform any CPR on them, even if the 2 women who pined for him were his friends for a long time. The hugs, rubbings and CPR are exclusive to FL and 2ML, the ML should never be soiled by such mundane human acts.
In all seriousness, I kind of hope that Lady Heo gets to have one scene with Jang Uk that finally allows her to…
not going to happen.
The show is targeted to viewers who want their ML to be very very pure. ML cannot even breathe the same air that other women breathe.
rumors have it that Asian drama ML's don't ever wank. Even thinking about other women ever in their life is an insult to their future wives and these ML know it, so, the pecker is pretty much used for pissing until they find their true love.
It was just lips touching to pass on the energy ball. Why are ppl calling that a kiss? It's not even a peck.
It was about the writers giving these kinds of CPR's, hugs, pecks and touchings only to the FL. That's some incredible coincidental writing from the writers where only the FL ends up in these kinds of interactions with other men, while the ML is seen only building rock structures.
This is one the most biased emotionally charged comment section I've ever seen. It seems people very biased towards…
The dramas put themselves down with their pretty open shitty writing.
Imagine if it were 2 men writing a drama where the ML was having fun time with multiple women while the FL was very pure and would not even look at other men.. And also imagine this happens with multiple dramas.
You would pretty much be calling out those 2 men for being toxic and misogynist.
The reverse pattern is pretty much the norm in most Cdramas and now a days in a lot of Kdramas as well. Let me know if the writers of these dramas are sexist as well.
Lastly, you are totally missing the point. What we are asking is for consistency of characters following rules set by the writers for the world. What I have is not contempt against the FL, it is actually contempt against the ML's of these kinds of dramas. They are barely men. They practically have zero sexual attraction towards women, which pretty much makes them fake. There practically is no man that exists in the world as being portrayed in these asian dramas.
The FL is not the one being targeted. It's the writers who are writing such incredibly fake and shitty writing that are being targeted.
She is married, he is her husband best friend and have romantic interest in her. Even though he is unconscious…
What are the rules of the world this drama is in as written by writers?
Looking at all 10 main characters interacting with each other, what do you think are the rules set by the writers regarding interactions between men and women?
If this drama had rules where men and women who are friends can hug and peck and kiss each other, your post is perfectly fine. but this world has men and women who are not lovers maintain a very respectful and very real distance from each other. Only exception written by the writers is the FL.
The writers need to follow the rules of the world they have built for all characters or make the casual hugging and kissing normal and have ML do the same with 2FL.
On one hand the writers won't even let ML smile at other women and then they have the FL hugging... It looks as if every one except the FL is following different rules in the drama.
Since Squid game got massive international success. Kdramas started changing. Sex scenes with nudity becoming…
it's even more ridiculous than what you posted.
In dramas where the ML has a sister, even they won't have a great bond. It's pretty much ML keeping respectful physical distance with his sister with no real brother-sister interactions. Contrast that with FL having a brother, it would be pretty realistic.
The writers won't even let the ML bond with his own sister in a meaningful way.
wait, wait, wait...You mean to tell me the writers could not have added another character to that scene who could…
Unlike you I don't pretend why the writers are giving the FL these interactions.
It's not just this drama, it's pretty much every asian drama which follows the template of pure ML and FL rubbing herself against multiple men.
If that phrase seems crude, then the writers need to stop insulting us with such shit writing.
I think you got your logic messed up. ML and 2ML have interest in FL. Similarly FL and 2FL have interest in ML.
FL is friends with 2ML. ML is friends with 2FL.
Now, let me put this delicately to you. Just because a man has interest in the FL like 2ML, does not make sense for her who is married to be hugging him - remember the rules of this world by the writers. No hugging or touching opposite sex.
For what you stating to make sense, the ML should also be having similar intimate scenes with 2FL, since as per you it's normal for love interests to have intimate moments.
And that logic of free spirited animal and freedom does not make sense one bit regarding to the discussion we are having.
She is married, he is her husband best friend and have romantic interest in her. Even though he is unconscious…
What has freedom got to do with FL hugging men? What you are saying makes no sense.
the very fact that you accept the writing where the ML is supposed to be very pure is very disturbing and I will leave it at that and not call you names and upset you.
Let me be clear...ahem..
women and men can hug who ever they want, have sex with who ever they want, when ever they want and where ever they want.
is that statement OK for you to stop insulting me?
Now, lets get back to the drama. Can you state the general rules of the drama as written by the writers regarding interactions between men and women?
As example, ML is friends with 2FL for years. They have very respectful relationship. In fact every man and woman have very respectful relationships even if they are friends. The writers have pretty much written the rules in bold regarding how friendship between a man and a woman is in the drama. sure, friends can hug and peck on cheeks like we do in normal world but in this world that the writers have built, that is not normal.
Lastly, the FL and ML are not real. They are written by 2 female writers who pretty much give them what every interactions they want. It's not FL kissing the 2ML, it's the writers making the FL do it. Similarly it's not the ML who keeps respectful distance with other women. It's the 2 female writers who want to keep him pure as snow unsoiled by other women. I mean, if the ML was a real person who is handsome and very rich, he would have had pretty interactions with multiple women. But hey, the 2 female writers wrote the ML, who is handsome and very rich to be very pure for obvious reason.
So, if you have complaints about misogyny or misandry etc etc, take it up with the 2 female writers who have written this shit and not me.
wait, wait, wait...You mean to tell me the writers could not have added another character to that scene who could…
Well, I can point to more than 10 interactions that the FL has other men that are actually intimate.
Can you point to one interaction ML has with other women in this drama that can be construed as intimate?
CPR my ass...the whole thing was written to give the FL and 2ML yet another intimate moment. the scene is beyond disgusting because the writers keep breaking the rules they themselves have set for this world just so multiple men can rub themselves against the FL.
Sorry but the whole tone of these dramas seem to be the ML need to be pure as a white rose who is never tainted by another women while the FL is given...
Like I stated, let's not pretend why these scenes are written this way in this drama.
I would rather we accept that writers want to have FL rub herself against multiple men and deal with it THAN to pretend she was saving her friend by giving CPR.
Some how it got boring and boring.
ML had one expression through out the drama & the FL was acting like a teenage girl.
the priest 2ML was the only interesting character.
but why do the writers have to make FL character into a whiny stupid teenager?
She gets attacked repeatedly, almost losing her life multiple times and what does the FL do.
Get drunk out of her senses and act whiny as if she just hit puberty.
And episode 1 wants us to believe that she is next in life for one of the top companies in Korea.
Even god cannot save Korean FL's from these stupid writers.
but, just want to know if we can really name a single successful woman who married a regular looking nice guy who is a stay at home husband?
Pretty sure there must be at least one case we can point to as an example amongst Chinese and Korean actresses where they married a regular Joe who just cooked, cleaned and massaged her?
coming to the drama, my point was the theme was confusing.
What the drama wanted to show was stereotypical roles for women as negative are pretty much shown as the positives when it came to ML.
The whole premise that FL fell for ML because of those reasons is wrong. She had a serious relationship with 2ML for many years whom she loved.
Her fear of commitment is a different theme altogether, again, it was confusing.
She had no right to demand someone to be around her when she would not commit. The drama does not expand on this especially considering she was ready to marry her ex.
And the last theme that was funny was how for 35 episodes she kept having her own interactions with 2ML while the ML just looked on haplessly and started wailing when ML was seen with another girl.
The challenges women face at workplace & Gender roles in modern society are absolutely nice and necessary themes to address
but the drama addresses them confusingly and often horrendously.
through the FL, the drama challenges the existing norms
but
then turns around and through the ML, tells us that the best man is one who can cook, clean, give massage, run to their wife whenever she needed help etc etc. basically the best man is one who is willing to take on the so called traditional women's responsibilities.
The worst aspect of this theme probably showing that FL best attributes are what we consider worst attributes in a man.
As example, the ML in the whole was earning money, doing house chores, taking care of her, helping her career repeatedly, spending his time giving attention to the FL...While the FL contribution to the ML during the same period is almost negligible.
If you flipped the roles of ML and FL in this drama, we would be calling ML undeserving the FL who was constantly helping and looking after the ML, while he cared for his career more than the FL.
Romance in Kdramas used to be charming.
recently, you can clearly see western money influencing the storylines.
Lol @ open and committed relationship.
Just another term used to fk around and have no consequences. Giving it a name as 'open relationship' just makes it sound cool as opposed to 'trash cheating to fk around'.
The ML's in kdramas are becoming simpy and just plain ugly.
You rarely see a man as ML in Kdramas that has romance as main arc. They are just pathetic wimps masquerading as men.
He is the guy who is in love with her all through the drama.
have no idea why what 2ML have for FL in these dramas is called as friendship..
men and women who are friends never ever have the dynamic as shown through FL and 2ML.
Makes you wonder if these women writers ever had any meaningful relationships with any men!
If they did, they would never write such fake men in their dramas.
When ever I watch these dramas, looking at ML I keep wondering if they are men or Eunuchs.
It's pretty much lot of Kdramas and every Cdrama.
The ML never develops any meaningful relationships with any women in these dramas and that includes his sister.
Watch few CEO - Cinderella dramas, it gets even worse.
There has never been a ML in these kinds of dramas that shows remotest of sexual attraction to opposite sex, except when he falls for the FL. That too, he falls in love and then the attraction starts.
Look at this drama as well. The ML falls in love and then the attraction happens.
the FL's are bit more realistic, they are shown to be attracted to handsome guys. If not out outright attraction, there is acceptance of a guy being hot.
The ML on the other hand is never shown to think of other girls as pretty or hot.
It was pretty clear that the engagements were all for his to get his mojo back and did not have any romantic entanglements.
he basically was looking for someone who can teach him stuff and the sure shot way to get that was engagements. When that did not happen, he kept breaking engagements and looked for other girls with powerful families to teach him. We never ever see the ML being intimate with any women other than the FL.
In fact we get confirmation from this 2 male besties that the ML is pretty much a very pure boy in one of the episodes of season 1.
He does have women pining for him but as asian drama ML, the writers would never let him perform any CPR on them, even if the 2 women who pined for him were his friends for a long time.
The hugs, rubbings and CPR are exclusive to FL and 2ML, the ML should never be soiled by such mundane human acts.
The show is targeted to viewers who want their ML to be very very pure.
ML cannot even breathe the same air that other women breathe.
rumors have it that Asian drama ML's don't ever wank. Even thinking about other women ever in their life is an insult to their future wives and these ML know it, so, the pecker is pretty much used for pissing until they find their true love.
That's some incredible coincidental writing from the writers where only the FL ends up in these kinds of interactions with other men, while the ML is seen only building rock structures.
Imagine if it were 2 men writing a drama where the ML was having fun time with multiple women while the FL was very pure and would not even look at other men..
And also imagine this happens with multiple dramas.
You would pretty much be calling out those 2 men for being toxic and misogynist.
The reverse pattern is pretty much the norm in most Cdramas and now a days in a lot of Kdramas as well.
Let me know if the writers of these dramas are sexist as well.
Lastly, you are totally missing the point.
What we are asking is for consistency of characters following rules set by the writers for the world.
What I have is not contempt against the FL, it is actually contempt against the ML's of these kinds of dramas. They are barely men. They practically have zero sexual attraction towards women, which pretty much makes them fake. There practically is no man that exists in the world as being portrayed in these asian dramas.
The FL is not the one being targeted.
It's the writers who are writing such incredibly fake and shitty writing that are being targeted.
Looking at all 10 main characters interacting with each other, what do you think are the rules set by the writers regarding interactions between men and women?
If this drama had rules where men and women who are friends can hug and peck and kiss each other, your post is perfectly fine.
but
this world has men and women who are not lovers maintain a very respectful and very real distance from each other.
Only exception written by the writers is the FL.
The writers need to follow the rules of the world they have built for all characters or make the casual hugging and kissing normal and have ML do the same with 2FL.
On one hand the writers won't even let ML smile at other women and then they have the FL hugging...
It looks as if every one except the FL is following different rules in the drama.
In dramas where the ML has a sister, even they won't have a great bond. It's pretty much ML keeping respectful physical distance with his sister with no real brother-sister interactions.
Contrast that with FL having a brother, it would be pretty realistic.
The writers won't even let the ML bond with his own sister in a meaningful way.
It's not just this drama, it's pretty much every asian drama which follows the template of pure ML and FL rubbing herself against multiple men.
If that phrase seems crude, then the writers need to stop insulting us with such shit writing.
I think you got your logic messed up.
ML and 2ML have interest in FL.
Similarly FL and 2FL have interest in ML.
FL is friends with 2ML.
ML is friends with 2FL.
Now, let me put this delicately to you. Just because a man has interest in the FL like 2ML, does not make sense for her who is married to be hugging him - remember the rules of this world by the writers. No hugging or touching opposite sex.
For what you stating to make sense, the ML should also be having similar intimate scenes with 2FL, since as per you it's normal for love interests to have intimate moments.
And that logic of free spirited animal and freedom does not make sense one bit regarding to the discussion we are having.
the very fact that you accept the writing where the ML is supposed to be very pure is very disturbing and I will leave it at that and not call you names and upset you.
Let me be clear...ahem..
women and men can hug who ever they want, have sex with who ever they want, when ever they want and where ever they want.
is that statement OK for you to stop insulting me?
Now, lets get back to the drama.
Can you state the general rules of the drama as written by the writers regarding interactions between men and women?
As example, ML is friends with 2FL for years. They have very respectful relationship. In fact every man and woman have very respectful relationships even if they are friends.
The writers have pretty much written the rules in bold regarding how friendship between a man and a woman is in the drama.
sure, friends can hug and peck on cheeks like we do in normal world but in this world that the writers have built, that is not normal.
Lastly, the FL and ML are not real.
They are written by 2 female writers who pretty much give them what every interactions they want.
It's not FL kissing the 2ML, it's the writers making the FL do it.
Similarly it's not the ML who keeps respectful distance with other women. It's the 2 female writers who want to keep him pure as snow unsoiled by other women. I mean, if the ML was a real person who is handsome and very rich, he would have had pretty interactions with multiple women. But hey, the 2 female writers wrote the ML, who is handsome and very rich to be very pure for obvious reason.
So, if you have complaints about misogyny or misandry etc etc, take it up with the 2 female writers who have written this shit and not me.
Can you point to one interaction ML has with other women in this drama that can be construed as intimate?
CPR my ass...the whole thing was written to give the FL and 2ML yet another intimate moment.
the scene is beyond disgusting because the writers keep breaking the rules they themselves have set for this world just so multiple men can rub themselves against the FL.
Sorry but the whole tone of these dramas seem to be the ML need to be pure as a white rose who is never tainted by another women while the FL is given...
Like I stated, let's not pretend why these scenes are written this way in this drama.
I would rather we accept that writers want to have FL rub herself against multiple men and deal with it THAN to pretend she was saving her friend by giving CPR.