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Not behave but as in what men are about.

Men as soon as they hit puberty, think about sex, constantly.
It is perhaps on top their mind for a long time.

I am not talking about love here but just sex.

Cdramas basically makes their leads without any sex drive.
These leads are never shown to have any sort of attraction towards attractive females, which is basically opposite of what a normal man actually is.
For men sex drive as much a biological compulsion as periods are for women.

Cdramas basically takes away the most basic trait of their male lead.
The reason why these dramas don't even the ML's perspective is probably because these writers have no idea how to write them.

To put it bluntly, take for example a high school drama or a college drama. The men at that age are probably wanking off multiple times a day and these dramas show these leads as though they don't know what attraction is.

I can understand for sake of drama, toning down reality is ok but completely removing the most basic trait of a man is utter garbage.

Ending of Ep 5,
there is no way they can explain it, it's just hilarious.

The secondary characteristics of these men are not the issue.
It's the primary characteristics that are of concern.

Men on earth don't behave like ML's in Cdramas.
I am talking about the very basic characteristics of being a boy, young adult and a man.
In these dramas, they are not found at all.
Either individually or among friends, ML and his male friends behave like anything but men.

That's why I call these ML's as fake men because they have no primary characteristics of how men are.

Same is said of abusers,
The FL pretty much is abusing ML mentally, physically and emotionally.
She is also a control freak as shown by how she has zero problems being with another man but was mad as hell when she ML is with another woman.

A man thrashing a women, abusing her verbally, emotionally, controlling her finances and even stopping her meeting men, while he is enjoying himself with other women, would be an utter trash.
the FL pretty much did all those in first 3 episodes.

The whole marriage was fake anyway, so why complain on ML when everything was fake? He was free to pursue anyone he wants isn't he?

Men and women can wrestle, have physical contact and sexual contact. It's totally their choice.

This is a drama and the tone of the drama is important.
is it the kind of drama where men and women are shown to have realistic contacts with opposite sex like in real world? A big no.

Coming to FL and her ex, the fact people think FL can have that kind of interactions on her own volition with her ex, who seemed obsessed with her since their reconnect, is ok is problematic.
He was not her gym partner, he was her ex.
He was not normal ex, he was an ex she avoided any contact.
He was also bit obsessed at that point already.

Now if you think it is perfectly normal for a women to willingly go to her ex who she avoided for years and have that kind of interaction....
Btw, she was already telling the world she is married and was parading the ML like a prized cow by that episode.

Hilarious that for 35 episodes FL and her ex would go out of their way to have their own little bizarre relationship even when she was married and the ex was engaged
but
ML interacts with his ex, it's the end of the world.

The reasons, they were not really married etc is pure BS.
They were never really married through out the drama. The marriage was pretty much fake, the relationship never formally established.
So, ML was free to engage any women he wanted if he so wished - as per your logic.

Funny thing though is that ML and his ex are never to shown to have done anything similar to how Fl and her ex did through out the drama but even that is red flag. The only acceptable ML in Cdramas is the one who never interacts with other women. The FL though is provided with all kinds of excuses for her own interactions.

it's not up to him, it's what the writers are writing for him.

I find it very strange in Kdrama's and Cdrmas we never get ML's perspective. Unlike FL whose thoughts are shown to viewers, the ML's thoughts are never ever shown to us.

I think it's intentional and most of the time these writers have no idea how to write a male lead.
This drama is no exception. Kdramas are getting as bad as Cdramas in romance.
the ML's are fake and watching them on screen is cringy. The writers reluctance to showing ML having any sexual thoughts is red flag, not just for the drama but also for the industry since this pretty much seem to be the norm.

It's concerning because girls who grow up watching these dramas will be getting shock of their lives when they have genuine interactions with men.

Sure he did but he did not force them to date or kiss.
She did it out of her willingness.
I am not pointing what she did as negative. In life that's how it goes, you break up and get on with your life.

The only exception to this rule are the Kdrama and Cdrama ML's. They never try to move on or date other women or have casual relations with other women. It's like the sexual requirements are not a thing for Kdramas ML's, it's only FL's who can have fun with other men while being in love with ML.
I usually find ML's in these dramas as unrealistic but this one is not only unrealistic but also pathetic.

Pretty sure viewers who want pure as snow ML will love this drama, since this guy is not only pure but also a complete door mat.

She did have bit of fun with him before telling him that she still has feelings for her ex.
The one with conflicting romance in these dramas is always the FL. The ML is pretty steadfast and never wavers or has fun with other women, while being in love with FL.
Just asking, do you think ML shagged anyone after his divorce? He wouldn't have because he still loves the FL and even though they are divorced and he knows he has no chance, he would never move on or waver because.....?

I thought this drama would break that mold of pure ML but this guy is genuinely pure and horribly pathetic.

Spot on,

FL never makes any effort to stay away from her ex, who had made his intentions very clear from ep1.

in fact it's the opposite, she would find ways to go beyond and have abnormal interactions with him.
I bring up with the wrestling because it was an abnormal interaction, not needed, especially when you are shown to be a married women and the ex is a red flag. it basically is a reflection on how FL never made any effort to put distance with her ex, weird considering she did so for years until he came back into her life.

These abnormal interactions between FL and he ex continue for 35 episodes with FL making absolutely zero efforts to minimize her interactions with him.

In Korean and Cdramas where there is romance in the dramas, I find ML's boring and fake.

In this one, it's not about him cooking or doing house work or things he does. There are many men who do this. This is usual house work that most modern men do as part of sharing work.

when I say these ML's are fake, I am talking about them as person than what they do.
Unlike the FL who gets her thoughts revealed to us almost all the time, throughout the drama, we almost never get to see what is going in ML's mind.
Add to that all these ML's have no qualities that you generally associate with men.

I do acknowledge the realism vs fantasy but it's hard to accept it when FL is shown realistic but the ML is straight out of some fantasy. Drama characterization needs to be consistent.

These ML's are fake because men like them don't exist, have never existed ever. May be these dramas should start adding ML's thoughts into the dramas just like how FL's thoughts are always added so that viewers can relate to what ML is feeling.

In these dramas once you go past what they do and come down to who they are, all these ML's feel the same. Cold, elusive, mysterious and artificial.

She is shagging another man but loves the ML?
Wonder how these kinds of situations are unique to only FL in these dramas but the ML never has his tongue down another women's throat but secretly loves the FL.

That's why i wanted the ML to actually have cheated and find redemption...instead we get the usual pure ML BS in another Kdrama.
The ML is pathetic and that's what makes the FL so unlikable at this point.

Dropping it.

I would have loved to see the ML having actually cheated and going through his redemption ark.
Now because he did not cheat, FL starts looking awful.
And I am not sure why she was bothered by her ex meeting any woman in ep3! she is anyway enjoying herself with another man.

This drama reminds me of Crazy love in similarly good way.

Actually I like the FL. she feels like a real person.

Don't like the ML, he comes across as fake.
In fact, most Cdramas I don't like the ML's.

While I do complain about the FL, it is more keeping in view the world the writers have built. FL in Cdramas and Kdramas have a lot going on in their characterization. So much so that we can discuss and have fun.

The ML's are fake and bland in most dramas, especially one with romance as central theme. There really is not much to discuss about them. Just shows how poorly they are written.

We can go around in circles and won't reach consensuses & that probably is the point I am making.

Most viewers are willing to make any number of excuses for everything FL did with her ex, during the time she was married with ML
but the same viewers won't accept that ML can have decent interactions with other women.

Unlike FL who rolled around with her ex, we don't see ML rolling around with his ex.
Unlike FL who gets repeatedly grabbed by her ex and still goes to him willingly, you don't ML and his ex grabbing each other and doing stuff.

from my POV, the FL at best is pretty stupid, at worst she did not care about the person who she was married to when she was engaging her ex repeatedly.
Either way, she was a walking red flag and any person with kind of attitude in a relationship towards their partner, needs a reality check of how it feels when the person they love is making them uncomfortable in their interactions with opposite sex.

Most Cdramas don't even address this issue and tend to give the FL a wide pass when they keep having dodgy interactions with men.
This drama at least is self conscious of what happened and how pathetic ML would look if he kept sticking to a woman who is not aware of her husband felt.

Let me know how the FL wresting with her ex when she was supposed to be married to another guy helped the plot in anyway?

Or why she needed to take care of her drunken ex?
Or her repeated 'normal' interactions with her ex when it was as plain as day light that he was a walking red flag right from the moment he dragged into mens toilet. That ex made it plain clear to her that he wanted her back & yet the FL was so pure and innocent to have all those interactions with him - give it a break. no one is that stupid or innocent.

For all the things FL did, there is always a justification even when it makes no sense for why FL would need to do something specific but when it comes ML, even if he is talking to another woman, that's not allowed.

She did not keep her boundaries with her ex when she was supposed to be married to ML and even in love with him
but somehow ML needs to cater to her feelings even after they ended their relationship.

I guess FL did not for moment think how her own husband would be feeling when he sees her interacting with her ex...but she somehow was sad when she sees ML interacting with his ex.
Sorry but was her brain on vacation when she was having her own interactions with her own ex?
It's not just one or two but each episode you can clearly see abnormal interactions between FL and her ex.

Similar excuses can be given for ML,
they were divorced and he had every right to interact with which ever woman he wanted.

And for 35 episodes, what FL had with her ex was a regular relationship one has with their colleagues.
there are at least a dozen things one can immediately point out the FL did that are not normal at all.
For starters, she wrestles with him. Yeah, the argument seems to be it's only wrestling. Point being, it's not. She was wrestling with her ex when she was supposed to be married with someone else.
For ending, she is taking care of her drunk ex when she is married to another guy and was supposedly in love with him. normal? heck no.
In between, the red flags are dime a dozen.

For 35 episodes FL had been having her own interactions with her own ex, which the ML did not like.
strange how those 35 episodes are not bothersome but only when the ML interacts with his own ex does it become bothersome.

exactly,
and
that's why I find it funny when people say a particular kdrama or Cdrama is MATURE or REALISTIC..

no, they are not. Not even a single one of them is mature or realistic.
For starters the ML's in these dramas are the fakest men in existence.

These are just dramas written for consumption of particular segment who want to see men in a very specific way that suits their fantasies.

It's a bit surprising that the answer to sexism from men is sexism from women!
And it looks to be typical asian drama trope,
even violence, the sheer amount of dramas that has FL thrashing ML. Again, the answer to violence against women in these dramas seems to be violence against men.

if the solution of these social issues as shown in these dramas is to make women behave like men from middle ages, then god help society.
These dramas on one hand preach equality but in reality all they project is equity.

Utopia for targeted audience? Yes
mature and realistic? Laughably no.

I like this show
but
this is basically another typical Kdrama.

it's only the FL with this maturity of talking about sex, commenting on men's anatomy and interactions with other men.
the ML, like most other Kdramas and Cdramas is straight out of a monastery, does not talk about sex, never looks at any women objectifying them like most FL's do men and will not have any interactions with other women like the FL has with other men.

Just 2 look at first 2 episodes, how many times do the FL and her bestie talk about sex & discuss men vis a vis shagging them?
And
how many times does the ML does the same?

This is not just this drama, it's pretty much most Kdramas and Cdramas. the ML will almost never have this kind of storylines written for them, only the FL does.