Don't hate the drama just because of its actor, hate the drama because of the performance of its actor. But it's hard to like the performance of the actor if you already hate the actor. And if you've already liked the performance of the actor, but learn to hate the character of the actor, it's hard to ever enjoy that actor's performance ever again.
You really believe someone who lies over and over again? You should save your lecture for him, his company and…
All good points. I've been trying to walk that line while also indulging in some team Sae Ron fanboying because I love it when villians get their comeuppance & opaque, corrupt systems give way to transparency & justice. Scripted entertainment has fed this indulgence all my life. As the saying goes, everybody loves a happy ending! But trying to walk that line means I at least have to try to maintain a little self-awareness when stray off of it.
Which is why in other posts I've tried to research and clarify what exactly we do and don't know, and how much we can make of what is being reported. There is a lot of "wait and see" and while we are waiting, we like to speculate. It's human nature.
But at the core, I agree with you. Leaping to conclusions is a recipe for injustice and can (and will) come back to bite us. I don't want to feel bad in the future for having bashed KSH even though over the past couple of weeks it has felt so good! So I guess this makes me a hypocrite, but I'm trying!
Kim Soo Hyun is forcing a lot of people to ask, "What defines a pedo?"
This discussion is entirely complicated because people on opposing sides and even people on the same side may and do have different standards of definition.
Whether you are talking legal standards or moral standards, when it comes to age of consent or the gap between ages they change from place to place and culture to culture. And even in within the same place and culture, differences of opinions exist. Don't forget that we also have to take into account that they change over time.
People who are highly victim-conscious and/or most esteem high moral standards prefer a higher age of consent and a lower gap between ages and thus more subjects will be considered pedos, while people who are highly false-accusation conscious and/or most esteem personal liberty will consider a lower age of content and wider gap between ages to be more reasonable and thus fewer subjects will be considered pedos.
Diplomacy is the art of getting people to agree upon something but it never even begins until after everyone can agree on the definitions of terms. But I don't think any of us even knows how to start.
My main takeaway is when he said he was spun and is uncertain, and even if he said something it wouldn't make…
Here it is:
"How is it that the so-called âfansâ are the ones being the least helpful? I didnât even mention Soo Hyunâs name, and yet people came swarming in instantly⊠Must be driving you crazy too, not being able to fact-check anything, right? Well, Iâve spent years living with that same uncertainty, trying to convince myself by telling myself over and over again, âI guess there was no other choice.â Somehow, that helps me stay sane. I wonât say anything because I donât need to add to it. There will be plenty of others giving him a hard time. And even if I did speak up, it wouldnât become fact anywayâand it wouldnât help any of you, either. So maybe just donât poke the bear and move along. Oh⊠and by the way, arenât you the ones constantly dragging my sister onto the chopping block over similar issues? The way her name keeps getting brought up all over the placeâitâs honestly disgusting."
Sulli's brother posted another cryptic message with a reference to Real.Is he just musing due to recent events…
My main takeaway is when he said he was spun and is uncertain, and even if he said something it wouldn't make a difference, so why poke the bear? But if he is going to poke the bear anyway, then more power to him! I hope he doesn't get ate!
How does he still have 20.2mill followers. (pedo followers?)
There's probably a million or three abandoned accounts and an equal number of ghost accounts (which merely follow & capture into private databases, but never like or post.) Then guesstimate the typical bot armies and you can maybe subtract another ten.
Not to be rude, but that is impossible and kinda irrelevant. The drama aired and received high ratings, that will…
Sorry. You're not being rude and no offense taken. I can admit I regret posting that.
I enjoyed QOT thoroughly last year as you did. I watched it with subs and then rewatched each episode with dubs while doing chores while waiting for the next one to drop. And remakes are never as good as the original.
But I can't rewatch it again unless someone uploads a supercut of just Ji Won's scenes â or just every moment of screen time without him in it. I would watch that!
Lots of people will get to see it! I prefer subtitles, but it's nice to be able to rewatch with dubbing on while doing chores while waiting for the next episode to drop.
(Speculating just for fun) Maybe KSH is a victim too and did as he was told? What if there exists a master puppet…
That's what he wants us to think. So he can get away scot-free! Or maybe KSH's dad is the puppet master, and they really are like the Tate bros, as you said? đ€
I keep asking the people that support KsH what proof he has provided and itâs usually crickets. He has lost…
(Speculating just for fun) Maybe KSH is a victim too and did as he was told? What if there exists a master puppet master who was yanking KSH's strings while he in turn yanked Sae Ron's?
If there is a master puppet master in this IRL makjang drama, my guess for who it would be is the CEO of Gold Medalist studio. The CEO currently goes by the name Lee Sa Rang, after having changed it once or twice for unknown reasons. LSR is KSH's older half-brother on their mother's side. At one point KSH referred to him as his cousin. What if LSR is setting KSH up as a fall guy while he schemes for his own self-preservation?
LSR produced the soft porn movie Real (2017) and also stepped in as its director (uncredited) after the original one left. The film starred KSH and co-starred Sulli, whose story is as tragic as that of Sae Ron's. Her nude scenes resulted in her being trashed by the entertainment media and cyber-bullied. And she suffered anxiety, panic attacks and depression. In 2019 Sulli made the drastic choice to take her own life. Neither KSH or LSR ever said or did a single thing in support of Sulli. Instead, they abandoned her to the hungry media hounds to tear her apart.
Koreaboo's timeline of events is my go-to way to catch up on everything which has happened vis-a-vis the scandal:
https://www.koreaboo.com/series/kim-soo-hyun-kim-sae-ron-relationship/timeline/
Some MDL members have also created this google document (with regular updates). It is even more detailed than the Koreaboo timeline:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gMuaL3YIYNwHQE3OILNpB_2LMYil-T9TU_ZrysSL6lU
Which is why in other posts I've tried to research and clarify what exactly we do and don't know, and how much we can make of what is being reported. There is a lot of "wait and see" and while we are waiting, we like to speculate. It's human nature.
But at the core, I agree with you. Leaping to conclusions is a recipe for injustice and can (and will) come back to bite us. I don't want to feel bad in the future for having bashed KSH even though over the past couple of weeks it has felt so good! So I guess this makes me a hypocrite, but I'm trying!
This discussion is entirely complicated because people on opposing sides and even people on the same side may and do have different standards of definition.
Whether you are talking legal standards or moral standards, when it comes to age of consent or the gap between ages they change from place to place and culture to culture. And even in within the same place and culture, differences of opinions exist. Don't forget that we also have to take into account that they change over time.
People who are highly victim-conscious and/or most esteem high moral standards prefer a higher age of consent and a lower gap between ages and thus more subjects will be considered pedos, while people who are highly false-accusation conscious and/or most esteem personal liberty will consider a lower age of content and wider gap between ages to be more reasonable and thus fewer subjects will be considered pedos.
Diplomacy is the art of getting people to agree upon something but it never even begins until after everyone can agree on the definitions of terms. But I don't think any of us even knows how to start.
"How is it that the so-called âfansâ are the ones being the least helpful?
I didnât even mention Soo Hyunâs name, and yet people came swarming in instantlyâŠ
Must be driving you crazy too, not being able to fact-check anything, right?
Well, Iâve spent years living with that same uncertainty, trying to convince myself by telling myself over and over again, âI guess there was no other choice.â Somehow, that helps me stay sane. I wonât say anything because I donât need to add to it. There will be plenty of others giving him a hard time. And even if I did speak up, it wouldnât become fact anywayâand it wouldnât help any of you, either. So maybe just donât poke the bear and move along. Oh⊠and by the way, arenât you the ones constantly dragging my sister onto the chopping block over similar issues? The way her name keeps getting brought up all over the placeâitâs honestly disgusting."
https://www.koreaboo.com/news/sullis-brother-calls-kim-soo-hyuns-fans-in-biting-new-update/
I enjoyed QOT thoroughly last year as you did. I watched it with subs and then rewatched each episode with dubs while doing chores while waiting for the next one to drop. And remakes are never as good as the original.
But I can't rewatch it again unless someone uploads a supercut of just Ji Won's scenes â or just every moment of screen time without him in it. I would watch that!
Second of all you need a bunch more Lee's
I prefer subtitles, but it's nice to be able to rewatch with dubbing on while doing chores while waiting for the next episode to drop.
If there is a master puppet master in this IRL makjang drama, my guess for who it would be is the CEO of Gold Medalist studio. The CEO currently goes by the name Lee Sa Rang, after having changed it once or twice for unknown reasons. LSR is KSH's older half-brother on their mother's side. At one point KSH referred to him as his cousin. What if LSR is setting KSH up as a fall guy while he schemes for his own self-preservation?
LSR produced the soft porn movie Real (2017) and also stepped in as its director (uncredited) after the original one left. The film starred KSH and co-starred Sulli, whose story is as tragic as that of Sae Ron's. Her nude scenes resulted in her being trashed by the entertainment media and cyber-bullied. And she suffered anxiety, panic attacks and depression. In 2019 Sulli made the drastic choice to take her own life. Neither KSH or LSR ever said or did a single thing in support of Sulli. Instead, they abandoned her to the hungry media hounds to tear her apart.