Hello! Before I start explaining my idea, I wish to clarify that I'm not nitpicking or blaming approval staff/volunteers.
Recently I noticed that official posters (that many people were used to) for a lot of dramas got changed to something that can only be called 'a downgrade' or even 'atrocity'. I understand that it's hard to decide which poster should be changed, and which poster is fine and this is why I think that some kind of voting system for posters should be implemented where users themselves decide if they like the new image or not.
Some examples: Are You Human Too? used to have a nice poster everybody recognized and seemed to like, meanwhile the one uploaded now is not only ugly (I know that this argument is very subjective but I'm not the only one who's complaining) but also rotated.
How (and if) you actually implement is up to you but allowing voting (upvoting/downvoting) on the most recent poster, where it automatically reverts back to previous poster if it gets enough downvotes, is one of solutions I came up with. Something similar to current tag system, where we can downvote tags we don't agree with.
I hope you consider it! Thank you
I don't agree with votes because
1. it would be abused as multiple accounts could post pornographic/spam/ad images in less popular dramas and upvote them as covers and it would take days to be noticed.
2. it would still annoy people when posters keep changing constantly because of votes. We could have a certain poster that is perfectly fine, but then after years, users would band together and vote for another one and people would complain that they are used to that one and they don't want it changed.
My suggestion is to have a catalog for posters in the photo section of the drama and have a checkbox to label posters with a "cover/poster". The user then chooses their preferred cover and it shows up for them. There is nothing hard about this, as you would just browse the photo section or upload the poster you prefer and select it as your preferred cover and it should always show up for you.
Example: Since the production company did not bother making a proper poster for The King: Eternal Monarch, lots of people have already suggested we upload fan- posters made by them, but we have to reject it. Having customizable covers would help them and us so much.
Also, we could do the same thing for actors’ images, customizing it to the one you want.
Other suggestions:
- Have a poster catalog in the photo section of the drama and have a checkbox to label posters with a "cover/poster" and the system changes between covers every time you enter/refresh the page.
- Fix the system and have it recognize widescreen posters so that we don't have to rotate the covers because they don't show up properly.
mengosteen:Some examples: Are You Human Too? used to have a nice poster everybody recognized and seemed to like, meanwhile the one uploaded now is not only ugly (I know that this argument is very subjective but I'm not the only one who's complaining) but also rotated.
I fixed it. It was accidentally approved and should not have been changed.
Hessa:I fixed it. It was accidentally approved and should not have been changed.
Ok, it was obvious with AYHT, but there are many shows that already had official posters that I found aesthetically pleasing but for some reason got changed to another official poster (for example taken from Youku, with Youku logo on it) but that, in my opinion, looks simply ugly. I have no viable reason to change it + I'm not sure if other people share my opinion. What if there are lots of people like me, hating posters but being unable to change them? Downvoting posters people find ugly could fix this issue.
For example: Longest Day in Chang'an used to have the same poster as Douban, now it has one taken from Youku. Both are official, no reason to change. In my opinion the previous one looked way better.
Poster catalogue or 'each user customizes their own covers' (as you suggested on my feeds post) are also viable solutions but it's finally up to admins which one (if any) they prefer.
Gosh that AYHT cover was something else.
I think in the case of upcoming/recently released titles, side ways should be temporarily kept until an upright cover gets released - even better if it also includes the main cast and not just one or two people.
I also think we need a limitation on how often a profile for an actor/actress is changed. More often than not some users would change images unnecessarily. I don't think there's any need to change when the previous one was perfectly fine. I would understand if the previous image was a child's and then changed it to an adult but most of the time its based on preferences.
Brownie:Gosh that AYHT cover was something else.
I think in the case of upcoming/recently released titles, side ways should be temporarily kept until an upright cover gets released - even better if it also includes the main cast and not just one or two people.
I also think we need a limitation on how often a profile for an actor/actress is changed. More often than not some users would change images unnecessarily. I don't think there's any need to change when the previous one was perfectly fine. I would understand if the previous image was a child's and then changed it to an adult but most of the time its based on preferences.
I agree with the profile pictures, sometimes the previous actor's picture looked better before than the updated one - has anyone noticed Lee Dong Gun's picture it looks awful lmao no offense who the heck changed it to that?!
edit: I see his picture is changed now to a better one (thank you!)
I'm really going crazy over here. If we don't change the image, users complain to the admins and the admins tell us "the guidelines for actor's pictures are too stringent" and we have to be lenient. When we change the images, we get complaints, and honestly, the images uploaded by the complainers suck. Staff members are getting complaints from both sides and I seriously don't care anymore about those uploading shitty images. I think we have been very lenient recently, but now I guess I have to be more strict. For the past few days, I have been going to actors' profiles and restoring previous good images or uploading better ones.
if I could vote more than 3 times I'd give all my votes for this!
it's like a fight of preference and the ones stuck in the middle are the approval staff. so voting on the pictures or hessa's idea of "each user can choose their own picture" would solve everything.
until then I vote on "locking" the images and not approving unnecessary changes
This needs to be implemented. I tried not to say anything for a long time; the rule of putting up the poster with 'most characters on' or whatever rule is RIDICULOUS! Absolutely ridiculous!
Have you seen a MOVIE poster being chosen to put up like that? Hell No!
A poster is something aesthetic and representing a certain point, not give out EVERYTHING it can.
It is an art work no matter what. I am not an artist or anything and I feel frustrated. Think about how the same thing goes for book covers and music album covers.
Many posters have been changed here and the reason for the change is no where near good enough. It is an absurd, BIASED opinion/rule.
I don't like AYHT, so I'll use that to avoid bias as much as I can. The older poster showed how that there is someone who looks exactly like the main character and the title says: Are You Human Too? And the same poster is used on the official website.
At LEAST use the one on the OFFICIAL website! Same goes for many dramas
I also threw 3 points onto this... and I agree-the primary official one that much work was put into, not photoshoots turned into "special" posters and the like which most dramas have (but which make them unrecognizable when browsing, make them unrepresentative of what the directors decided etc)...
If we go with "official" plus "most characters," official character charts would sensibly become the thing you use for most shows... and no one considers those good representative posters... besides, saying "this is the rule so we follow the rule" seems awfully self-serving when the ones who made those totally arbitrary rules end up preaching their importance... that's one opinion... the original official poster used the whole time a show airs, not marketing hype photoshoots that have other characters, some totally minor (in the case I'm thinking of, the two others in the newly implemented poster are not even in the drama that much, especially the female-three other characters having more screen time than you and you being used almost solely as a catalyst for the main characters' love story=are you truly one of the main characters or just called that but quickly reduced because your storyline was deemed less interesting by the director or early screening viewers? The two examples coming to mind=recent comment blow up She Would Never Know (from one official one used start to finish to a promotional 'special poster' which is official in that it, too, was, along with 30 other official shots, released by the network but "special poster"[marketing extra] and "official poster" [identity of the show] don't really, for Korean markets at least, translate the same, but the argument by volunteers=it's not supposed to give any indication of the content of the drama, not meant to promote [what the heck are posters made for if not identification and promotion?]... the 'special' one isn't any more official than every other shot with the title tossed on it; that's why an official character chart would be, by MDL "guidelines" which don't jive with Hollywood or Seoul standards or IMDB and newspapers-where critics would in my era be relied on heavily for guidance on whether something's worth the time and outing-etc at all-those guidelines are what seem messed up, not the original way of doing things-but that's because a romance should have a romantic looking poster so people watch the dern thing, not some icy cold office drama looking poster with a rich heiress who doesn't work there but is just a fiance and brother of characters suddenly thrust in a company office as if she's a worker-misrepresentation if used as a poster, okay if solely used the way networks usually intend=to promote the CAST/use alongside interviews/comments to keep the drama in some sort of news, usually their own since that network happens to own and have begun as a newspaper co hence their means of promotion) and Encounter. Most places I've seen Encounter posters they show the faces ie https://mydramalist.com/photos/VQQpv whereas the one used on the front shows the back of two 'who knows' entities with one's head on the other's shoulders-the Japanese poster is similar to this linked one but zoomed way in to just have their faces take up 90% of it if I recall.
At least voting is democratic and not subject to a rule-setting monarch or oligarch's standards. Guess I like the power resting with the many, not the few, oversight fine but heavy-handed control not particularly liked by anyone I've met except those in control. *shrug*
The other option they could use is like Hancinema does for cast and crew=every time you click something they are on it changes to the next (or a random, not sure how they do it) photo in the gallery. You can still have the cover photo options -approved- then of the approved ones let the viewers decide what matches the drama's story best and conveys what the story is trying to convey/appropriately represents it. A story that is a sweet moving love story should logically have a romantic looking poster-that's just basic design 101: the intention should be conveyed so much as to be understood intuitively. I trust the intuition of the viewers at large even when my personal preference might be tossed aside. (I also want a gallery of photos for actors/actresses LIKE hancinema's, LIKE the photo gallery for shows, but that's another matter.)
ETA: I saw that AYHT got changed, but not to either that are commonly used/that people are used to (either the male and female w/the green of the trees and him being personable to her or the more commonly used one w/the human and the 'wait, are you human' robot happening to be played by the same person-either of them has two characters just as I Have a Lover has two played by Kim Hyun Joo-wildly different ones there and a sensible poster would photoshop both versions of her into it-and Duel has two played by Yang Se Jong, Switch=2 by Jang Geun Suk etc). The one up right now is pretty washed out and a little weird in that it's just them facing one another in a static pose. The green one at least hints at them being close somehow. Just a thought-I'd never seen the current one elsewhere.
I tried putting the "Official", not the "promotional" posters and I got the same nonsensical reasons...
ElBee:If we go with "official" plus "most characters," official character charts would sensibly become the thing you use for most shows
What logic or intuition are those reasons following?
ElBee:the original official poster used the whole time a show airs, not marketing hype photoshoots that have other characters
ElBee:saying "this is the rule so we follow the rule" seems awfully self-serving when the ones who made those totally arbitrary rules end up preaching their importance
ElBee:photoshoots turned into "special" posters and the like which most dramas have (but which make them unrecognizable when browsing, make them unrepresentative of what the directors decided etc)
First of all, I understand why you like some posters over others, we are humans, we like different things. BUT, that doesn't mean we can just ignore guidelines because a few users decide their "like" is above the rules and guidelines.
For the "When the Camellia Blooms", the current one is an official poster, why do you even want to change it? See: http://program.kbs.co.kr/2tv/drama/camellia2019/pc/detail.html?smenu=cac6b1 You are the first and only one wanting to change the poster here (never saw anyone else trying to change it), so that would go against the "democracy" you want, as most people don't want it changed.
For "Navillera", we have no rule saying it should be a close-up poster. Though the current one is also official and used multiple times on the official website: http://program.tving.com/tvn/navillera/7/Board/View?b_seq=3&page=1&p_size=10 I also don't understand why you want to change it for no reason, and it seems mainly to be because of personal preference.
REMEMBER, Production companies make **multiple official** posters, it is not just one. So the one you like maybe an official poster, but so is the other poster.
People fail to see that those posters were mostly uploaded by other users, it is not the staff changing the posters. Your fight for "democracy" is with other members, not us. You want staff to approve your changes, but if someone (or many) then wants to change the poster you uploaded, you would be angry and complain here. That is no democracy, and that is why we need guidelines so that posters are not constantly being changed by users for nonsensical/stupid reasons such as "I like this one better", "the colors are better in this poster", "it should have a romantic looking poster".
From a business point of view, each website has the right to choose what it wants based on its guidelines. MDL is not obliged to advertise a drama by putting up a poster that you think would attract more people to watch. MDL is a database, not an advertisement company. MDL is not obliged to have "democracy" just as on Hanicnema and AsianWiki you don't get a say on anything and can't change a thing there.
The solution is not democracy but is personalization. https://mydramalist.com/discussions/suggestions/48561-allow-voting-on-drama-posters?pid=1097085&page=1#p1097085
What the admins can do is make a catalog of official posters and the system rotates between them (as they have on Hancinema for actors), and give people the option of having posters rotate or keep the one on the system/or the one they choose.
Hessa:For the "When the Camellia Blooms", the current one is an official poster,
It is on the official website as an additional poster NOT the main poster
see the main page http://program.kbs.co.kr/2tv/drama/camellia2019/pc/index.html
and how it appears in the search of the website
Actually it was used here first until someone changed it to the current one a while after the program started airing.
Hessa:and it seems mainly to be because of personal preference.
I have no preference at all. I happened to see it on the official website
here (with other programs) http://tvn.tving.com/tvn/Program and here http://program.tving.com/tvn/navillera
I am not with democracy when it comes to choosing a poster. That would be chaos.
And I am not trying to put "what I like", in fact, I'm looking for the ones that are used as the 'face' of the drama on the official website and not as one of the additional promotional/ special posters.
So I am urging that we at least have an option where we can use our personal choice of poster.
Hessa:each website has the right to choose what it wants based on its guidelines
You have a point with this, but the problem is that those guidelines make no sense sometimes.
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