TTEOTM and Immortality have a ton of comments.Lost You Forever ...47K+ and 18k+ over two parts, as well as double…
Thank you a lot. BL subjects, especially if banned, do attract a lot of discussion, it's understandable. As for LYF, I remember I've also enjoyed it (great Yang Zi's acting and mesmerising chemistry with Tan Janci) and can understand why it was so discussed, the plot, or better, her complex relations with three MLs, divided the audience in 3 fanbases (whom will she chose?) and it was also a sort of guess game how it will all end up.
I think this drama will break every record of comments on MDL - personally don't remember any drama anywhere near 15K comments and we still have to see 1/4 of it. If anybody knows such a discussed drama on this platform, pls. let me know.
This (real) fact confirms the (fictional) screenwriter's statement (on the objections of Nan Feng's agent) in the opening ep: "This whole love-triangle stabbing-each-other thing is an iconic scene in costume dramas. Audiences love this kind of over-the-top, messy drama." (and the Director adds: "Platforms love it, too"). From that point on (ie., after the initial 10 min. of the drama), it was clear the "iconic scenes" served just to challenge (read: to hook) the audience while the screenwriter and director will engage in "managing the mess" by REWRITING not only the script (FL just superficialy/lazily skimmed through), but also the characters, while OPENING A GUESSING GAME for the audience "what will happen next?", "will or how will this 'iconic scene' happen in a re-written scenario?" and so on, making the drama a parody of its genre and certainly more enjoyable and subject to interactive discussions on the platforms... The invitation for a guessing game was also clear by the (real) director https://mydramalist.com/discussions/70247-jiang-dui-dui-chong-sheng-ji/142950-director-s-message-towards-the-audience
That been said and despite many wrong guesses I've read here, I think a skilled writer would be able to outline plots for dozens of dramas in the genre.
Now, entering the final quarter of this "interactive game", being confident of my earlier correct interpreting of what was foreshadowed and having a few hints from "Calendar" https://mydramalist.com/discussions/70247-jiang-dui-dui-chong-sheng-ji/142904-calendar-airing-schedule for the remaining eps, my predictions are: 1. the white horse for the eps tomorrow is the Pegasus she desired when she was listing the things her man would provide her to fall in love with him. She'll fall for him because she'll realise her previous desires-expressing changed smth important in the plotline. 2. "heart" in English are their sweet moments together we've seen in leaked scenes 3. ep. 37 deals with an event connected with the fortress (from which she would have jumped in the "first script" rivaling her sister, both being pregnant with NH and NH favoring her sister over her). No way this could happen: her sister loves another man and she doesn't have any reason to test him. Alternatively, the confrontation with CGH also happened under that fortress, but CGH's rebellion occurred (read: was justified) after NH killed his father and brother. The probability NH will kill his father and brother is next to zero... Imho, neither of these 2 "iconic scenes" will ever happen. 4. "swords" may mean battle, but somehow the misterious sword forging comes to my mind 5. pen & paper. The scriptwriter (the "God") enters into the story. The characters, confident they can make a difference and ask justice, make their move. 6. sunglasses. Relaxed ending
I'm not that good in deciphering symbols. From trailers, we know he will be in prison in ep 29, but I expect he'll be liberated quickly, in ep 29-30, while the heavy CGH's torture on his brothers today (we've heard the sounds of whipping during the long dialogue between CGH and NR today) actually may not survive. The horse may represent many things, not only freedom: strenght, (military) power (will he maintain Xuanjia army?), deep loyalty (of his brothers in arms?), spiritual connection (Pegasus) etc. Or it may be some physical horse, who knows.
As for the emperor, we've seen his reasons for mistreating and mistrusting NH when he told NH's mother who were "true wolves" from his perspective: the powerful Gao clan and their allies in the court (led by the Gao chancelor) and he was not wrong about that. He didn't catch his son and Gao uncle started to have different goals and interests. Now, after the emperor realised NH had built up a parallel force, WRC and Nightwalkers (ie. the force beside the army in which Gao uncle has his people, loyal only to him and able to intercept and destroy the message for help during the Pingrong Battle), the force NH established in an effort to districate himself from his uncle, after he denounced his uncle's embezzlement of the relief fund in order to save SH and with Gao (unfortunately, only apparently) out of the picture... ofc. the emperor starts to notice things he didn't (or couldn't afford to) notice before, when he was desperate to counterbalance Gao's power with any mean available, such as a designation of CGH (a defeated general!) to the command of the imperial forces. So, I think the emperor is redeemable, the unredeemable is CGH (he is far on his way to insanity, espc. if the two Nightwalkers die) and Gao uncle
Ep.27: that guard is beyond stupid. He actually fled from the battle to the capital? 🤦♀️
The guard was one of his uncle's man inside Xuanjia army commanded by NH. His uncle hided this person all those years, used him to frame NH in front of CGH and then discarded him, ordering Kui Gang to kill him, framing the 2 Knightwalkers (for the murder of a"witness") who were lured to that forest by the same gang.
why do I feel like the script has replaced Nanheng with Guihong...!! like in the original script NH used to do…
The ending will definitely be different, I wonder how the FL still didn't notice that not only the plot started to differ, but also the "major/most iconic moments" such as NH's betrayal with her sister. The moments can "happen" in terms of "being similar" (NH and SYT were actually found in bed), but their meaning and timing is completely different.
Btw., the synopsis on MDL states:
"Only when Xiao Yu realizes that she is no longer living in the old plot and Nan Heng isn’t the villain she thought he was, could they both find the truth and perhaps love along with it." - well, this will happen very soon and will change the ending, too
Share your theories! I didn’t put a spoiler tag because this is just all speculation.My theory is:Just base…
I don't have any theory, I'm just completing a puzzle with pieces popping up episode after episode offering logical explanation for weird behaviour of all the characters.
The emperor never hated NH, he just mistreated and mistrusted him, while favoring NR for a reason: from the emperor's perspective, the powerful Gao clan and their allies in the court (led by the Gao chancelor) are "real wolves ready to tear him to shreds", as he clearly told NH's mother. Was he wrong about Gao chancelor? No. Was he wrong about NH? Only partially. Uncle Gao had a role in NH's upbringing, as mentioned in the latest ep, he put a great effort to make NH as ruthless as possible, spreading the word around about it (even when it was false), messing with his decisions and life. Although NH, as a child, totally unintentionally ingratiated his empress to take him out for a hunt, she was assassinated during that hunt by his uncle's people. That Gao was untouchable for the emperor not only bc. he maneuvered the majority of civil ministers, but bc. NH was a commander of the only victorius army (the armies have double loyalty: to the emperor and to the clan which established them) in the country, that's why he always percieved the interests of the two as inseparable and his own life threatened.
But now, after the emperor realised NH had built up a parallel force WRC and Nightwalkers (beside the army in which Gao uncle has his people, loyal only to him and able to intercept and destroy the message for help during the Pingrong Battle), in an effort to districate himself from his uncle, after he denounced his uncle's embezzlement of the relief fund in order to save SH and with Gao (unfortunately, only apparently) out of the picture... ofc. the emperor starts to notice things he didn't (or couldn't afford to) notice before, when he was desperate to counterbalance Gao's power with any mean available, such as a designation of CGH (a defeated general!) to the command of the imperial forces. So, it is not about "siding" with or against NH (or NR - whose naivety was clear to the emperor even before, but he had no choice other than to back him) but about the timing in which one can realise what's going on. The emperor has already noticed CGH's obsession (with the Pingrong Battle) and determination to pursue his personal vendetta against NH for the deaths of his father and 20K soldiers to the point he proposed to the emperor to fabricate evidence against NH and take over his army, but now, NH isn't part of "the wolves pack" who threatened his rule any more and can be useful to counterbalance CGH's insanity.
Finally, I don't expect this drama to end tragically as in "the script", with FL's family dead, triple stabbing etc. The events ("major plot points" included) already differ from the script (ML never fell for or slept with her sister who is in love with another person), there's no reason they stop to differ at this point...
And some of the comments on here are why MDL should stop people being able to rate a drama until it's finished.So…
This drama is very well written, with different pieces of a puzzle (you call "clues") steadily popping up, offering logical answers for weird behaviour of almost all the characters (FL is just one of them), gradually completing the whole picture. Such a writing - well thought to offer gradually and a posteriori one piece of motivation and/or explanation for a considerable number of previous characters' actions in each and every episode - is a rare craft, which both the scriptwriter and the author of the original novel of TPG simply do not have.
You forgot the man get interested in his fiancee too, and snatched the engagement away from him. And let s not…
you're right. CGH is totally convinced he is a good guy. Not only. When NR told him today he was acting badly, he felt ENTITLED to use every (bad) mean still being a good guy. He is convinced that taking revenge against the "bad guy" NH (responsible for a series of evil things in his eyes) is a GOOD and GREAT PURPOSE, and working for such a purpose qualifies him as a good guy.
That's how the obsession works, I've only pointed out this obsession is well grounded and logical.
I also believe he has all right to be mad but he’s so fixated on the outcome that he never looks at any situation…
The general conviction NH played a part in empress's death comes from the emperor. In his dialogue with NH's mother, he called her clan (led by Gao chancelor) and allies in the court "wolves" ready to tear him to pieces.
The emperor is convinced NH, as a child, ingratiated the empress to take him to the hunt, luring her to a mortal trap. It isn't that far from the truth, NH indeed ingratiated the empress, he just did it completely unintentionally and unaware other people (his uncle probably) would plan to assassinate her once she took a prince to the hunt.
It's NH's maternal powerful clan (in particular, the wolf chancelor Gao) which makes the emperor so biased towards his NH and so acquiescent to Nan Rui. Now, with Gao (unfortunately, only apparently) out of the picture, the emperor starts to notice other people (he used to counterbalance Gao power) also can be wolves
As for LYF, I remember I've also enjoyed it (great Yang Zi's acting and mesmerising chemistry with Tan Janci) and can understand why it was so discussed, the plot, or better, her complex relations with three MLs, divided the audience in 3 fanbases (whom will she chose?) and it was also a sort of guess game how it will all end up.
I was referring to aired dramas
But what is Immortality, can you link it?
Tnx
What is Immortality?
I've dropped that one after ep 6, for me, it was truly unwatchable
This (real) fact confirms the (fictional) screenwriter's statement (on the objections of Nan Feng's agent) in the opening ep: "This whole love-triangle stabbing-each-other thing is an iconic scene in costume dramas. Audiences love this kind of over-the-top, messy drama." (and the Director adds: "Platforms love it, too"). From that point on (ie., after the initial 10 min. of the drama), it was clear the "iconic scenes" served just to challenge (read: to hook) the audience while the screenwriter and director will engage in "managing the mess" by REWRITING not only the script (FL just superficialy/lazily skimmed through), but also the characters, while OPENING A GUESSING GAME for the audience "what will happen next?", "will or how will this 'iconic scene' happen in a re-written scenario?" and so on, making the drama a parody of its genre and certainly more enjoyable and subject to interactive discussions on the platforms... The invitation for a guessing game was also clear by the (real) director https://mydramalist.com/discussions/70247-jiang-dui-dui-chong-sheng-ji/142950-director-s-message-towards-the-audience
That been said and despite many wrong guesses I've read here, I think a skilled writer would be able to outline plots for dozens of dramas in the genre.
Now, entering the final quarter of this "interactive game", being confident of my earlier correct interpreting of what was foreshadowed and having a few hints from "Calendar" https://mydramalist.com/discussions/70247-jiang-dui-dui-chong-sheng-ji/142904-calendar-airing-schedule
for the remaining eps, my predictions are:
1. the white horse for the eps tomorrow is the Pegasus she desired when she was listing the things her man would provide her to fall in love with him. She'll fall for him because she'll realise her previous desires-expressing changed smth important in the plotline.
2. "heart" in English are their sweet moments together we've seen in leaked scenes
3. ep. 37 deals with an event connected with the fortress (from which she would have jumped in the "first script" rivaling her sister, both being pregnant with NH and NH favoring her sister over her). No way this could happen: her sister loves another man and she doesn't have any reason to test him. Alternatively, the confrontation with CGH also happened under that fortress, but CGH's rebellion occurred (read: was justified) after NH killed his father and brother. The probability NH will kill his father and brother is next to zero... Imho, neither of these 2 "iconic scenes" will ever happen.
4. "swords" may mean battle, but somehow the misterious sword forging comes to my mind
5. pen & paper. The scriptwriter (the "God") enters into the story. The characters, confident they can make a difference and ask justice, make their move.
6. sunglasses. Relaxed ending
YES
As for the emperor, we've seen his reasons for mistreating and mistrusting NH when he told NH's mother who were "true wolves" from his perspective: the powerful Gao clan and their allies in the court (led by the Gao chancelor) and he was not wrong about that. He didn't catch his son and Gao uncle started to have different goals and interests. Now, after the emperor realised NH had built up a parallel force, WRC and Nightwalkers (ie. the force beside the army in which Gao uncle has his people, loyal only to him and able to intercept and destroy the message for help during the Pingrong Battle), the force NH established in an effort to districate himself from his uncle, after he denounced his uncle's embezzlement of the relief fund in order to save SH and with Gao (unfortunately, only apparently) out of the picture... ofc. the emperor starts to notice things he didn't (or couldn't afford to) notice before, when he was desperate to counterbalance Gao's power with any mean available, such as a designation of CGH (a defeated general!) to the command of the imperial forces.
So, I think the emperor is redeemable, the unredeemable is CGH (he is far on his way to insanity, espc. if the two Nightwalkers die) and Gao uncle
Btw., the synopsis on MDL states:
"Only when Xiao Yu realizes that she is no longer living in the old plot and Nan Heng isn’t the villain she thought he was, could they both find the truth and perhaps love along with it." - well, this will happen very soon and will change the ending, too
The emperor never hated NH, he just mistreated and mistrusted him, while favoring NR for a reason: from the emperor's perspective, the powerful Gao clan and their allies in the court (led by the Gao chancelor) are "real wolves ready to tear him to shreds", as he clearly told NH's mother. Was he wrong about Gao chancelor? No. Was he wrong about NH? Only partially. Uncle Gao had a role in NH's upbringing, as mentioned in the latest ep, he put a great effort to make NH as ruthless as possible, spreading the word around about it (even when it was false), messing with his decisions and life. Although NH, as a child, totally unintentionally ingratiated his empress to take him out for a hunt, she was assassinated during that hunt by his uncle's people. That Gao was untouchable for the emperor not only bc. he maneuvered the majority of civil ministers, but bc. NH was a commander of the only victorius army (the armies have double loyalty: to the emperor and to the clan which established them) in the country, that's why he always percieved the interests of the two as inseparable and his own life threatened.
But now, after the emperor realised NH had built up a parallel force WRC and Nightwalkers (beside the army in which Gao uncle has his people, loyal only to him and able to intercept and destroy the message for help during the Pingrong Battle), in an effort to districate himself from his uncle, after he denounced his uncle's embezzlement of the relief fund in order to save SH and with Gao (unfortunately, only apparently) out of the picture... ofc. the emperor starts to notice things he didn't (or couldn't afford to) notice before, when he was desperate to counterbalance Gao's power with any mean available, such as a designation of CGH (a defeated general!) to the command of the imperial forces. So, it is not about "siding" with or against NH (or NR - whose naivety was clear to the emperor even before, but he had no choice other than to back him) but about the timing in which one can realise what's going on. The emperor has already noticed CGH's obsession (with the Pingrong Battle) and determination to pursue his personal vendetta against NH for the deaths of his father and 20K soldiers to the point he proposed to the emperor to fabricate evidence against NH and take over his army, but now, NH isn't part of "the wolves pack" who threatened his rule any more and can be useful to counterbalance CGH's insanity.
Finally, I don't expect this drama to end tragically as in "the script", with FL's family dead, triple stabbing etc. The events ("major plot points" included) already differ from the script (ML never fell for or slept with her sister who is in love with another person), there's no reason they stop to differ at this point...
Such a writing - well thought to offer gradually and a posteriori one piece of motivation and/or explanation for a considerable number of previous characters' actions in each and every episode - is a rare craft, which both the scriptwriter and the author of the original novel of TPG simply do not have.
31-32 are explained with a white horse, tomorrow is marked with a prison.
That's how the obsession works, I've only pointed out this obsession is well grounded and logical.
The emperor is convinced NH, as a child, ingratiated the empress to take him to the hunt, luring her to a mortal trap. It isn't that far from the truth, NH indeed ingratiated the empress, he just did it completely unintentionally and unaware other people (his uncle probably) would plan to assassinate her once she took a prince to the hunt.
It's NH's maternal powerful clan (in particular, the wolf chancelor Gao) which makes the emperor so biased towards his NH and so acquiescent to Nan Rui. Now, with Gao (unfortunately, only apparently) out of the picture, the emperor starts to notice other people (he used to counterbalance Gao power) also can be wolves