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Not the female friend or ex-girlfriend coming back to create jealousy for our couple...
Can someone tell me why in so many BL one of the MC acts shy and awkward after the first kiss and/or first night together? I can understand it when the character is portrayed as very shy but usually they're not. Here, Kim isn't the shy type, he even initiated their first time so why the "reluctant" act afterwards? It's really annoying.
I wasn't expecting that explanation for ParkLee. That was new and interesting. And also sad (to keep your bf in the closet because of your own insecurities...).
The GL call-out was needed: yes lesbians existed and it's time they're put in the spotlight! We demand GL stories !!😂

His only work I like is LBC. He gave his all for this one lol. UWMA was so boring and overly dramatic (Fluke crying everytime, while his co-star was blank as wall...). I dropped it midway.
I think P'New lacks creativity and the sad thing is he doesn't improve. He always directs the same way, it seems he doesn't push the actors for a better performance, he never adds his own touch on the storylines. He does the bare minimum. I'm not hating, I'm only telling how I see it.

Exactly! I told the same: if he's directing, it's going to be bad. I never like his works. He's not a good director.

This isn't something new and nobody says otherwise...

Ridiculous and boring episode. The plot makes no sense; there was no need to create this drama with Prince!
Am I the only one annoyed with FahPrince's courtship? Is Prince a princess?! How many times Fah must express his interest in him? How many times should he ask Prince to be his bf? Why these two grown ass men act like a straight couple from a victorian novel?
There were many times they could have hold hands or kiss but they were all stiff and awkward like middle school boys, as if they didn't kiss twice the day before!

😂😂😂

"they never adress Tharn sexual assualt ,he is good guy here" -> but they did! He said he shouldn't have been in Type's space, he souldn't have touched him because it triggered Type's rape experience. Tharn knows what he did was wrong. I do agree he should have apologized directly to Type but well, nothing is perfect.

I've no idea! There's nothing to dislike. It might not be everyone cup of tea but the series is still good enough. I really don't get the negative comments.

The HiStory series were pretty good before (Crossing the Line, Right or Wrong, Stay Away From Me) but now Taiwanese BL are either bad or average (though We Best Love season 1 was good).

I'm surprised by the low rating. This romcom is very good so far. The acting is good (not over the top like in some thai series) and the main leads chemistry is there! There are many tropes but I like how they handle them quickly and cleverly.
Ton is one of the best ML I've seen in a lakorn : he's down-to-heart, respectful, considerate, and very nice.
Cake is also good, I understand her thought process, but I wish she'd be honest with her feelings and more proactive in the relationship.

Well, if we're talking about ourselves: I'm 37 and had been through a lot as a kid... I refuse to let my emotional baggages define my adult life and my relationships, so sometimes I visit my favorite therapist for a little chat...
I think what you and other people here misunderstand is the part of the script we highlight as being problematic.
We agree poor communication isn't toxic in itself, being an introvert isn't a toxic trait, and JW's low self-esteem isn't the issue. What viewers pointed out is how JW's chose to deal with his insecurities when they arose. Doing a disappearance act on SJ's birthday when JW damn well know he suffers from abandonment issues ? Not leaving an explanation so that SJ at least understand why he ended the relationship ? It could have been a letter, an email or a voice mail. Can we agree that these two things are bad and can scarred someone for life ? Then, when SJ found him, what prevented JW to sit with him and calmly explain why he doesn't love him anymore? He just had to be civil and honest from the get go. Why the jerk attitude, why the harsh words? As I said in my previous comment, when your insecurities make you act badly toward others, it's emotional abuse. In JW's case, he deliberately said those things to hurt SJ. He himself admitted it in ep8 or 9. That’s why they moved into unhealthy relationship. The fact that he was capable of hurting SJ before and he's doing it again one year later should raise concerns.

But the writers put blinders on and quickly reached a fluffly finale barely adressing what we witnessed. Ironically, the lack of communication is illustrated again with a 2 minutes resolution instead of having them properly discuss their insecurities and making plans to deal with it once and for all. In S1, JW’s insecurities were the reasons they almost didn’t get together and SJ had to fight for them. In S2 we got the same scenario and yet again no real resolution of their issues. So it’s totally understandable we are questioning the strength of their relationship and we worry there would be other instances where JW’s insecurities lead him to hurt SJ again.

Anyway, I’ll stop bothering you. I don’t want to be this person that forces their opinion on others 😊.

When your emotional baggage and insecurities make you act in ways that hurt your loved ones it's called emotional abuse. It becomes a toxic relationship for your loved ones. There are many forms of emotional abuse.
I'll give you a very common example: your lover is very jealous and doesn't let you talk with guys, doesn't let you have male friends. He constantly asks your whereabouts, checks your phone, makes a scene when you're about to go out, wants to know if a guy will be there. Except for this jealous behaviour, he's a nice and loving guy, never screams at you, never talks you down. Some traumas in his past explain his behaviors. However, his actions are taking a toll on you, you go out less and your social life reduces, you lose decade old frienships with male friends, you rethink every action and decision in order to avoid triggering him and causing arguments, you question your behaviour trying to understand why he doesn't truth you etc.
You see, in this relationship, your bf isn't violent, he's not trying to harm you, he might not even know what he's doing is wrong and impact your mental health. However, his behaviour has turned your relationship into a toxic one. Bf has to deal with his insecurites because he shouldn't make you reframe your life so everything you do is for/about him. Too many people wrongfully equate toxic relationship with violent acts or verbal abuse. It's not always the case.

I'm not reading all that since from your first sentence I see that as usual you totally missed the point, you don't comprehend what you read. There's no point continuing this discussion. Hope you'll get better some days.

Taylor Swift stalker is the reference now? I don't know the story and I don't care about that. We're talking about a series and I'm explaining to you the character's actions. Stay focus. Also, if collecting stuff from your crush is stalking them, what do you call collecting stuff from your fave singers/actors and following them around to take their photos at events? Hello, hypocrisy.

Preserving your mental health and refusing to be a doormat isn't pride. It's called self-love, self-esteem and common sense.
Your whole argument has been "nobody is perfect, you have to take people with their flaws, if you love someone you have to accept everything...". Yeah, go tell that to these people living with manipulators, malignant narcissistics, sociopaths, rapists, drug users... You can love someone but you don't have to accept their flaws, you don't have to let their actions hurt you.
You've said in another comment that nowadays everyone overuse the word toxic. That might be true in our daily life on internet but in real life, when talking about people's relationship, the word toxic is carefully used, and even barely used by those involved because they often don't see the red flags or refuse to acknowledge them.
Loving this series is fine, everyone is entitled to their feelings, but I find it sad that you can't separate fiction from reality and constantly reframe problematic stuff as being normal and tolerable in real life. It gives gaslighting vibes...The restless energy you use to press viewers to love this series says a lot about you...
Don't bother replying cause I'm not going to continue this game.

I'm sorry but do you know him personally? You're sitting at home and talking about this actor like he's your friend. Seriously! I'm so fed up of fans like you who protect their favorite celebrity at all costs. The double standard is unbelievable: when it's a random person on internet or within your social circle, you don't hesitate to cancel them but when it comes to your favorite "idol" you show your hypocrisy and lack of common sense. You don't even understand the seriousness of the situation: the guy is playing a queer character in a BL, with some queer actors in the cast and we find out he said homophobic and racist stuff and condone rape years ago. That's huge and embarassing for the production house and his co-stars. That could cause issues for the production (loss of advertising contracts and sponsors for exemple). But you're all here crying because you're selfishly thinking about your need (how you want to keep seeing your fave on screen).
We shouldn't bully him for his beliefs but we certainly aren't going to excuse his past behavior and treat him like a child. Let's him take full responsability for his actions.

You're not the only one, many people said the same.

Where is she?! I miss her!

Because your opinion is the universal truth? Lol, fans like you are a nuisance.

After rewatching the series to see why I didn't like it unlike so many people, it dawned on me that if SJ had been a woman and JW had been nice and considerate of his ex-girlfriend from high school but cold to SJ and spew hurtful words for 8 episodes, let her sleep outside in a Van, slept with her and then said they could be sex buddies… we wouldn’t be praising the series.
Nowadays, with all the discussions about mental health, how to create and maintain healthy relationships and how to recognize red flags, we are more aware of what's not acceptable in a relationship (manipulation, shaming, disrespect, verbal and physical abuse). Today, as soon as a guy screams at his girlfriend/wife or disregards her feelings we're all in her business saying "Girl, that ain't it! Red flags! Drop him, he doesn't deserve you!" So if a guy had done a JW, we would be asking our girl what's so great about this jerk, why is she taking him back. We would advise her to see a therapist in order to understand why she allows someone to treat her badly.
There are many dramas and movies where the ML is awful to the FL and viewers point out his toxic behaviour. However, we witness the character developing gradually from a jerk to a considerate and tender lover. When the series ends, we got a satisfying development arc and we understand why the couple ends up together. We didn’t see that in TMS 2. So why are we finding excuses for JW ? Why should we rejoice after their reconciliation? Is there somehow a double standard when it comes to gay stories ? Do we silence our critical thinking when watching BL ? Looking at it from all angles, I can’t say the romance portrayed is beautiful.

There’s this notion that the series depicts the realistic struggles of a relationship. Well, I do agree it’s a realistic depiction of a toxic relationship. What it fails to give is a realistic ending consistent with the previous 8 episodes. I wonder if the writers took a step back to review their work. Had they done that they would have noticed the first part of the story is too contradictory to the last 2 episodes. Had they been honest they wouldn’t have ended the series like this.
Realism is calling out your characters for their flaws, it is giving them awareness and allowing them to organically develop toward a well-thought finale. And most of all it is letting your characters face the consequences of their actions (and the consequences should fit the actions). As it is, there were only 2 realistic and cohesive ending matching with the storyline presented to us :
A – SJ gives up and goes back to Seoul. JW follows him and apologizes. They discuss their mental health issues, they agree they need professionnel help to heal and only then, they will be fit for a relationship. They officially break up but we know they still love each other and they might meet again years later.
B- SJ gives up, JW apologizes and begs SJ to take him back. They discuss for more than 5min their mental health issues, their unbalanced relationship dynamics. SJ tells JW he’s in probation, they will go to therapy (individual and couple sessions if needed). We see them reconnect, we see JW makes amends through actions for more than 1 episode.

This season reminds me of Vampire Diaries. Elena’s character was a miss for many fans because they wrote her as a Saint and Hero, loved and desired by everyone. But her decisions and actions were contradictory to what the show wanted us to believe : she was often selfish, holier-than-thou and applying double standard when it suited her. In the same fashion, TMS 2 wanted us to root for JW, wanted us to see his behaviour as an understandable reaction to his mental struggle. However, they went too far and didn’t counterbalance his awful behaviour with some expressions of his undeniable love for SJ. They remembered too late they wanted to give an happy ending.
TMS 2 lacks sincerity and self awareness. I’d even say they didn’t respect our intelligence by giving us this overly optimistic ending. As if viewers couldn’t deal with a sad ending. They dressed up the ending like a fairy tale. I would have liked a bittersweet ending better, because it would have indicated the writer has an understanding of their work and the time we’re living in. I would have loved a break-up. It surely would have given something to write for season 3 : how these two healed and reconnected a few years later.

I think this season will please viewers who are very forgiving or those that have accepted problematic things in the name of love. But it might disappoint viewers who don’t take bs and believe that love isn’t enough to allow oneself to be in a toxic relationship.