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I mean I can look trough the rough CGI of MGB as long as the acting is okay, though I don’t have expectations with it, maybe that’s why it’s okay-ish so far for me. It also doesn’t help that I watched secret relationship, which was top tier, if you come from such a high, everything is going to be disappointing.

I cried my eyes out the first time I watched my only 12%, but if I would watch it again, I probably would score it lower then that now. (it was I think maybe my tenth bl series I watched)
I watched we are and even though I did like it, there are a lot of flaws with it, one clear thing that is noticeable, is the divided screen time between couples (Fourever you also had that problem, could say this one also has that problem).

Somehow if New now directs a multiple couple bl series, one or more couples get screwed over. Which is weird because that didn’t happen during the filming of UWMA or Between us. Maybe because those two series had only one main couple (I believe?) and one or two side couples.

I’m holding out hope for Revamp because New did work with BounPrem before, but my expectations are very low, which is sad because BounPrem definitely deserve better, especially seeing it’s Boun’s script he wrote for Prem. But can you imagine the sound effects, music which is going to be in inappropriate for the scenes, make up that smudges on clothes, etc etc… Brr, let’s just hope for the best! Maybe he’ll do better with a mature series (fingers crossed).

You should read the books, for one they did Yotha justice in the books. In the series they made him out as a douchebag but in the books he was a respectful, good guy, who treated Gun with so much respect. The novels are good.

I found her reason for choosing Faifa instead of Yotha such bullshit. She made it out as if Yotha would have never wanted to return, as if he forgot he had two brothers (in the books Faifa was his twin) and a father somewhere out there. As if Yotha would hsve never wondered how they were doing. She wouldn’t have wanted to return (that tells you really everything about her) but I don’t believe for a second that Yotha wouldn’t have wanted to return. She could very easily forget she had two other children out there but she chose Faifa, so that the reason to return was still there (Yotha). I’m a big fan of YothaGun but Faifa didnt deserve that treatment of the mother (none of her children did) but I’m glad he’s standing up for herself. And honestly I hope she never returns, Faifa is better off without her!

All what you summed up was done in the books. Yotha needed months, months to figure out how to deal with his trauma. They completely rewrote his character for the series, in the book he was the biggest “green forest” guy, always respectful towards Gun, always asked, never yelled, was very careful not to hurt Gun, etc. That whole kiss with Warich never happened. Yotha spend months sleeping next to Gun after Gun fell asleep and after some time Gun also knew this, it was a running joke between Faifa and Gun. As for Gun his trauma, Yotha and Gun visited the shed multiple times, making new happy memories.

Sadly it seems that a lot of (bl) series have never heard of a therapist or therapy. They make it out as if love heals everything, which honestly is a fairy tale. The same with these unnecessary redemption arcs with (abusive) parents, they say sorry and everything is all hunky-dory. It’s especially something that Gmmtv does a lot, wrap everything up in a nice little bow. They could have taken their time and delved deeper into the characters but they didn’t, which was a big missed chance.

They didnt handle Yotha and Gun their trauma much better. In the book, it took months for Yotha to overcome his trauma and for Gun, Yotha and Gun visited the shed multiple times, building new happy memories together. It gets hardly ever mentioned or done right in BL series, hardly ever do we hear that somebody is seeing a therapist or something of that nature.

In real life no child would want to have that mother back in their lives after being abandoned in such a cruel way. They all grew up without her and got independent without her. That count for all 3 of her children, they have each other and their father to lean and support each other. I think in real life all 3 would have gone nc, maybe very low lc with her. Before you come at me, I do see Faifa more opening up to his family with Wine by his side, so I do think that without the mother in the picture (and getting re-traumatized ever time), Faifa would grow to open up. And I do think the family in return would support him more.

As for Gun, I dearly love Yotha and Gun they are my favorite in this series, but any sane partner would have never encouraged their partner to reconnect with a parent who traumatized them that much. You do not need to accept, forgive and be in contact with your parent after such events (I say that with some experience). Nor would they want to be that close to said parent in law.

But then again Gmmtv has a habit of throwing in these unnecessary redemption arcs for parents to wrap everything up in a nice little bow. I think you can also blame New for this, he has a habit of screwing over one (or more) couple(s) in big group couple projects.

Agreed. It makes me not look forward to the series he is directing. I’m holding out hope for revamp, but I feel like the New who directed UWMA, between us and my only 12% is long gone. The constant use of inappropriate sound effects, bad music, bad angles for certain scenes (especially kissing scenes), wanting actors to act more “childlike”, are just a few examples what was wrong with the last 3 series New has directed (we are, Fourever you and 10 liners).

I mean New did the same thing wirh YothaGun. At least FaifaWine had 2 different songs in ep 20,21 (I believe). YothaGun constantly only played the OST during every sweet, couple scene. Blame it on New, who has the tendency to ruin couples (rewrites characters) or scenes.

Edit: Just realized that during YothaGub nc scene in ep 23, their OST was again used, which for the scene is not even appropriate.

With only 5 more episodes I doubt it. If it were more episodes, they had room for improvement and having time for the (so far missing) magic spark to form. But with 5 episodes, small chance. We’ll just have to see, plus side it’s only 5 more episodes, so not really a big loss of time.

Agreed! Sadly so far there are way to many questions. I feel like the grandma wants Fifa to take over but that raises the question, why aren’t the parents helping or why didnt they prepare Fifa for that possibility. As somebody who has parents who have a dairy farm, you would never put somebody who has no clue what he/she is doing out on the field alone. It’s a accident waiting to happen.

I personally don’t get the grandma, she knows Fifa has aspirations to be an artist and go to Japan, why on earth would you force a young adult to pause his career future? Is it to let him learn some life lessons? Fifa is just trying to get trough those 3 months, so far he might be a bit spoiled, but he isn’t a troubled kid. From what we saw in the first episode, he had straight-A’s, learned Japanese (as somebody who herself is trying to learn it, it’s not easy), had a gpa higher then what was needed/expected, he seemed to be a model child. It felt more like a punishment then some learning opportunity. Honestly this feels like a budget version of 1000 stars, which is sad.

This just feels like the numerous series that has a thin plot with a predictable ending. And honestly after secret relationship, a series with 8 episodes and only 25/30 min per episodes, this feels like a let down. And I can’t help but compare, the series has less minutes per episode but actually had a good plot, chemistry between all four actors, and questions were answered quite well and quick in that one. This one feels like lazy writing.

Sorry for butting into the conversation, but I’m respectfully disagreeing, it’s fine if those questions are going to be answered later on in the series. But a viewer shouldn’t be forced to read the novel to know what is going on or to have questions answered. It was the same during the series When it rains it poors” there is a scene in that, that leaves a lot of questions. In the book it gives a very clear description of what happened, in the series not so much. A director/team should keep in mind that a lot of fans probably didn’t read the book, especially for international viewers.

That makes sense, thank you.

That makes more sense. Thank you

Don’t know why you are giving me attitude, but yes I did watch the first two episodes!

Thank you for answering but if it’s weeks instead of days, it’s still doesn’t answer my question. Why was it so important to have Tong move in with Mark, so Mark could protect him, if he’s allowed back to a previous (apparently) established unsafe place in mere weeks. It’s not as if the danger is gone.

I thought the previous episode that it might be that whoever drinks Tong his blood will form a bond with Tong, and with that bond come certain benefits. But I like your theory also.

I think a lot of people either didnt watch the YothaGun storyline or are just forgetting it. But the fact is Yotha constantly took up for Faifa during his arc with Gun. He constantly went to battle for Faifa against him mother. Also the production team deliberately chanted Yotha. In the books he was such a green character, dealt with his trauma while also respecting Gun. In the books he never kissed Warich. It’s very easy to blame Yotha, while in fact the blame lies entirely with the mother. In the books Faifa and Yotha were also twins, which would explain the close bond and also certain comments Yotha made about Faifa.

I saw Seong meeting Da On as just two strangers meeting. A stranger helping another person in need, they both probably forgot the meeting ever happened. But I think for us viewers it was to show that Seong was actually the first one to see and meet Da On and not like Jaemin claimed that he was the first. Some said it was just destiny playing out, which is a nice thought.

Maybe Jaemin did though, Da On had a grey suit on for the presentation. When he woke up he had a black suit on. I don’t think this production team would make a mistake with clothing like that.

Black and white in western cultures often symbolize dualities, life and death, purity and evil, good and bad. White is traditionally linked to purity, weddings and peace, while black represents mourning, elegance and mystery. In Korea white symbolizes purity, innocence, peace, righteousness, while black symbolizes darkness, death, dignity. It goes hand to hand in what Jaemin was wanting to do. I actually think that Jaemin clothed Da On in his black suit, I can see him in his crazed mind doing it. Jaemin his white suit for him he feels like he innocent in all this, that he is pure of heart and just “helping” Da On.

I don’t think it was silly to think that, the story, actor and the way it was directed all made it seem like Jaemin was giving up. But after rewatching ep 7, I noticed that during the moment Jaemin called Da On, he had his chessboard standing up again (remember in the fight all the pieces got knocked down). That chessboard was a representation of the games Jaemin was playing with people. Why would he set it back up again if he was done playing. The way the scene that showed the kidnapper was cut in ep 7 made it also seem like it was Su Hyeon, they made the actor who played Jaemin wore the same clothes as Su Hyeon, that was to throw the viewer of. The same way the scenes around Su Hyeon in ep 7 made it seem like Su Hyeon was planning something, and he was, just not kidnapping Da On. I said it on fb that people like Jaemin usually don’t back down, they actually escalate instead of de-escalate, which was shown. In Jaemin his mind Da On is his, he “owns” Da On, and according to his own reasoning, that was because he saw him first. Su Hyeon might have loved Da On first but for Jaemin it didn’t matter who loved Da On, because in his twisted mind, he saw Da On first, so that made him ownership of Da On. When Su Hyeon had the confrontation with Jaemin in the police station, it was clear that the love Jaemin had for Da On was selfish, he was ready to sacrifice Da On for his love, where as Seong was ready to sacrifice himself for the love he held for Da On. I did felt somewhat sorry for Su Hyeon in the end, but I don’t think they would have been happy if Jaemin never butted in, unless Su Hyeon had gone through intensive therapy. He still had an awful upbringing and was short tempered. The only selfless thing he did in the present time was letting go of Da On, which is a good thing. I think realizing how fucked up Jaemin really was, made him probably realize what he had done to Da On and how his behavior towards him was. It might also have been the realization that he in fact didn’t or couldn’t have sacrificed his life for Da On, like Seong did do. Sorry for the long answer!

That after credit scene was for us viewers to see that actually it wasn’t Jaemin who saw Da On
first, it was Seong. And the scene itself, I took it as a stranger just helping somebody in need, I didn’t see any bad thing about it. Seong was probably on his way home after school and saw Da On collapse, they probably forgot about it after that.