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Yeah agreed! I love Gun but really when your partner says he doesn’t want to see somebody (doesn’t matter if she is his mother) you listen to it and do not force it. That woman created it all herself, so what if she is hurt. Has she for one moment thought about the hurt and trauma she put the family through?

Gun wants to see the best in everybody but sadly such parents do not change, it would have been kinder for Gun to say, I see you aren’t ready yet, or I see you don’t want to see her, let’s to home and visit another time.

Yotha has his dad and he has his mil and fil who are there for him. Who love him unconditionally instead of a mother who only likes one of her kids, yet tears the family apart by picking a lessor favorite. Yotha and Fai don’t need that woman in their lives, they are loved and cherished by other people. And yes I say that out of experience.

Loved everything about this episode until the moment the mother came back into the picture. Like I didn’t like her before what with the information that she shipped Faifa back to his father and brothers because she had a new family. And her not remembering what son was allergic for milk, mind you it was the kid that lived with her for a while. But after her worthless and just shitty explanation she can drop dead for all I care.

It’s such bs that if she had taken Yotha then they would have never gone back to the family, what you would have taken him away from his father and brothers? And what expected Yotha to never ask for his father or brothers - mind you in the novel Yotha and Faifa were identical twins (twin bonds and everything) - you expected him to just forget part of his family?

Not to mention the blatend favoritism she showed, and that’s nothing Yotha can do about but it very well explains why Faifa is such a people pleaser, he probably picked up on that favoritism. I was appalled how she said goodbye to Faifa, with a “you know I love you, right?”. Like thats all you have to say to your son, who has lived with you for some while?

Talking about goodbyes, the fact that she actually only came to say goodbye to the father, tells me everything about her. She didn’t count on her kids being there, nor did she wanted to have her kids there, otherwise she would have asked the dad to have kids all there. It was just by coincidence that all off them were there.

I hated the way she manipulated and guilt tripped Yotha into that hug or even having him say he’s sorry, why are you apologizing Yotha? You have every right to be mad even if your dad is saying things like “forget about it, let’s not talk about it, it’s all in the past”. Like no dad it isn’t all in the past if your kids are still traumatized by it!

I personally would have walked out if I was Yotha, and would have taken Gun and Faifa with me. My heart broke for Faifa, like could you imagine being blatantly told that the only reason you were chosen was because the mother felt that her favorite child wouldn't want to come back and that the only reason she took him was to have a tether to her old family like how horrible would that be for Faifa to hear? You could clearly see he was affected by the news, just because the dad and the mother didnt pick up on it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.

I personally hate these storylines only ones who so far have done it right is me Mindy and BOC. You don’t have to accept toxic parents in your life. People hardly ever do a 180 in real life like they do in the GMMTV series, parents do not change. And it’s hardly ever the happily ever after GMMTV tends to make of it. I know it’s a different culture and different values etc, but that doesn’t mean you have to accept everything! For once I would like GMMTV to held those parents responsible and accountable for the crap they pulled on their kids!

I hope to god she stays in England with her happy family and never returns. The title mother she doesn’t deserve. Again what mother can’t even remember which one of her kids has a milk allergy?

I do have to applaud Junior and Perth for their great acting during these scenes.

Lol, right?!

Agreed. Or people are saying well we only see Sei point of view and we don’t know Fuji his back story. Why is his backstory important? How about you judge him for his actions and the things he says now, you know in the present! It feels like some people are only able to see and think black and white, it’s like the only way they see abuse if somebody gets physically abused. It’s one of the reasons victims are so little believed when it comes to emotional or mental abuse. I’m shocked by the amount of people who are defending Fuji, who say the thing with the foot was just him trying to get Sei to communicate with him. Or Fuji picking up Sei his phone is normal because maybe Sei was busy. Like what?

Same goes for Kaori, she neglected Hahi for 12 months, and that’s not just sexual based, but with everything, no physical contact, no affection, no support. She might be less abusive, but still abusive.

Agreed! And the amount of people trying to defend him is so crazy. I’ve been having these conversations since the third episode, I think.

“Suddenly he turns abusive” He’s been abusive this whole time, just because it wasn’t physical doesn’t mean there wasn’t abuse!

Yes agreed, same way I wish Thame had talked about it with Po before he moved his clothes in. I get him being possessive, jealous but they weren’t even in a relationship yet.

Agreed to all of it. Thank you

We can agree to disagree.

Sure get an super vulnerable guy to accept a deal just after his parents died in front of him, because he had absolutely nobody! You think Sei was even emotionally present or understanding what that “business deal” ment in the long term? Do you even read how cruel that sounds? I’ll stay with you forever, you can’t have anybody else. I won’t give you a relationship, date or marriage but I’ll stay with you forever! I don’t care about your wants and needs just only what I need and like. Sei doesn’t agree with that business deal anymore and he tries to communicate that with Fuji but Fuji being scared to loose control over Sei, just flees the room every time Sei brings it up. I call him how I see it, you might not think it’s fair but I think it’s totally fine. If you really think the behavior, Fuji showed in the preview of the next episode, is fine, then I don’t know what to tell you!

Seriously? Did you not get the part where the old schoolmate of Sei saw him and said to him that “back then Fuji was like your spokesman, I asked Fuji to tell you to contact me when things got better”. Sei clearly did not know this. You seriously think the toe thing was because of Fuji wanting Sei to communicate more? The guy has been communicating with Fuji constantly. It’s Fuji who runs away from serious conversations! Also just because he showed concern for his roommate doesn’t mean he is less abusive or controlling. If I heard a crash out of one of the rooms I would have checked also. You conveniently forget the part that came after, the absolute cruel rejection by Fuji. He didn’t just say anything but he physically fled the bathroom, leaving a devastating Sei behind! You forget how possessive and jealous Fuji acted when he heard that Sei was talking with a guy from work, to the point that Sei asked him “do you want me to stop talking with him?”, that is not normal behavior!

Just because you can’t see it and believe that maybe he isn’t that bad, doesn’t mean others don’t see it for what it is!

Probably spite, what was the reason she broke Sei his present for Hagi? The weather bulb. Or she took it with her to show her parents. Or a way for him not to contact her?

Lol, you say the guy who is abusive, neglectful, controlling and just an ass to Sei is actually loving him? Only thing he loves is the control he has on Sei. You are seriously saying you don’t see his behavior towards Sei as bad? The guy who pinched, squeezed the toe to see if it hurts? Not just softly touched it like Hagi did but actually pinching, squeezing it! The guy who doesn’t even alow a tv in his house, or allows Sei to have friends and isolated him? The guy who rejects Sei time and time again? Who has Sei so depended on him? Are you somebody who says to a abusive victim, just accept it because he/she took care of them?

You see Kaori as toxic but Fuji according to you is what? Just a loving respectful guy?

You don’t? I think the series made it pretty clear!

From what I remember it wasn’t her gift. It was a gift for Hagi, she destroyed. So it wasn’t something she owned, it was Hagi who owned it.

Agreed! As if cheating is the worst thing you can do to your partner, please don’t make me laugh! Both guys have been tortured and abused by their roommates, any emotional and physical support they needed was denied, time and time again. It’s not just sex Fuji and Kaori with held from them, it’s any sort of physical contact or affection. No hugs (I do not count that half ass hug Kaori gave Hagi in ep 2), no hand holding, no kiss on the cheek. They tortured the guys to the point that both think they are gross, dirty, ashamed for having wants and needs. Those thoughts and that image of themselves is going to be with them a lot longer than any the supposed impact of the “cheating” is going to be.

It’s laughable how people are so focused on the “cheating” but forget or rather ignore everything the roommates did to them. Above reaction is the same, so focused on making the guys the bad guys and oh poor little Kaori, she didn’t deserve that. Did Hagi deserve to be talked about behind his back? Or to made feel worthless, disgusting, dirty, ashamed? Both guys did not deserve to be neglected like this!

Can you explain what the SJW code is you are talking about, my brain is not braining at the moment.

I’m done talking to you. You clearly do not understand what I was saying nor read my comment thoroughly!

Thank you for saying this.

I personally had a really hard time ending my very toxic and abusive relationship because of those crumbs you speak off. 4 year before I ended my relationship I already knew I wasn’t in a healthy relationship but I was so depended on him and thought I wouldn’t make it on my own. In the end I stayed 11 years (way to long) I think Sei has that sane feeling, after his parents death only Fuji was there for him, taking care of him. So with how fragile he mentally is I can imagine he has a hard time leaving/standing up for himself etc. I personally agree with you that they do not have to say sorry. They were treated horribly by their friend/partner.

You don’t even know it’s a loss of sex drive for Kaori, because she does not communicate it! For you it’s to extreme, for me it’s just right. She has been stringing that guy along for a year, not 2 months, a year! Thats twelve freaking months of just nothing! These episodes she has been nothing but cruel towards Hagi, she’s been neglecting him. Yet she expects him to wait for her like a lost puppy. So yes to me she absolutely deserves that title! How exactly am I shaming Kaori? I personally don’t give a crab about her losing her sex drive, because for all I know she still has her sex drive, just not for Hagi and has found some piece on the side? We do not know anything about her or Fuji, because again they do not communicate!

Fuji isnt Sei his partner! That you do not see it as controlling doesn’t mean I or others feel the same! Numerous people (including me) during these episodes have said that Fuji is abusive, isolating and controlling of Sei. Him having Sei his phone and picking up the phone is just another example! I for one do not accept my partners picking up my phone, if it’s important it will go to voicemail or they can message me. My phone is for me, and me alone! Either one is wrong, it’s not one is more wrong than the other.

Lol and what exactly of the “correct way”? Communicating with their people? Guess what they tried that, multiple times! Breaking up with their partner? How exactly are they supposed to do that when they are constantly being shut down or rejected.

In my post I explicitly said for me their relationship ended the moment Kaori started not communicating and keeping Hagi in the dark. For me that is cheating, she purposely kept her partner from her feelings, thoughts, wants and needs. I don’t give a flying f*ck about the physical aspect of it. She wasn’t open about it, she lied multiple times by omitting the truth. Again this is my point of view.