DesertEagle88

"Emotional trauma does not follow logic"

You say that, I point to 6 years of the FL experiencing emotional trauma at the hands the ML, and you still say she's (equally) to blame.

That's not logical.

And I don't know why you are trying to take logic out of emotional trauma when it logically follows 'cause and effect' and that's why we even have psychology.

Where did I say it was okay to hit someone?????

I def don't think you should be calling someone stupid, especially a child.

And we can absolutely disagree.

I am sorry, why are we disregarding logic???

Moreover, you are reiterating the fact that this grown *nearly* 40 year old man is fully aware of his issues and yet, the accountability expectation is 0????

Shutout and emotionally starved??? What??? If that is shut out and emotionally starved please explain to me what 6 years of hearing degrading, belittling and negative comments will do to a person. I am so interested to hear your take on that.

Hate to break this to you but his "core intention" doesn't matter if he is actively hurting her anyway.

Also why do you not apply this nonsense "core intention" logic to Flora why do you just assume she's always doing something to him with the "intent" to hurt him?

Flora did not question if Sun Yuan Zhu liked her because 1. She didn't like him 2. She knew Sun Yu liked him 3. She didn't have time time, she was always working or with Luke.

Luke still never took her on dates. I don't know why you are trying to defend this???? 6 years and no dates and your man is rich? And you think on top of suffering his verbal abuse she should be taking this RICH MAN on a DATE. The bar is in HELL.

- He bought her bags she never used ---> indication he doesn't know what she likes
- He bought her something from ski resort ---> she told him she has no time, or desire to learn to ski
-He invited her on a trip she couldn't afford with NO NOTICE and expected her to drop everything to go??
- He LIED to her about having to work overtime to keep her from going out to HELP her friend, interrogated her while she was driving, distracting her then asked if she knows how to drive and then slept with her and you want me to think this was romantic???Seriously???

I've seen all the episodes, and if there is anything that the end confirms is that Luke was the problem the entire time, the minute he stops using his mouth to cause mistrust and insecurity she will do anything for him and with him. MOREOVER, You yourself defined abuse as malicious yet you keep blaming Flora even though none of her actions were malicious. She was patient AF (way more patient than me). Maybe try applying your own standard to the FL

So you believe Sun Yu's ENTIRE business was a SCAM because ***ONE*** account wasn't real when she is hosting an event with real people who are showing up? By that logic Is MDL or Twitter or Reddit Or Facebook a scam for the same reasons?

You are defending his toxicity, and bad business threats. I don't even know why you would defend this behavior.

Nothing wrong with cultural differences, I got spanked 3 times ever, how often do you call your son stupid when he makes a mistake and do you think that voice stays with him when he makes other mistakes?

100% agreed.

Never said my family was perfect, we just weren't allowed to use those words. We got spanked, not often but still 😂

I will freely admit Luan Nian has MANY MANY MANY good qualities. I want this couple to have their HE

That said, his mouth is still lethal. I look forward to when he overcomes it.

same tbh😂

agree, when he uses his words in a constructive manner they are helpful.

I think you don't want to explain the context because when I point to other context that negates it you will feel like I am challenging you instead of the character.

Also that seems kinda mean to say to your son. If your true goal is to keep him safe why isn't using kind words also part of that?

When I was growing up I wasn't allowed to use words like "stupid" "dumb" or "idiot" my parents told me to use my words carefully because you can't take them back and they can cast spells. You keep calling someone "stupid" and "dumb" they just might start seeing themselves that way.

We don't play that game in my house/family.

That cheap and obedient text and rant was malicious, he was out for blood that night.

I mean his friends, his parents, his coworkers, and yes, even his sister (this is consistent in Hidden Love too tho Victor plays a more welcoming version of Sang Yan *I love both versions*)

He's a undoubtedly a grumpy dude (mostly because he misses the FL) who doesn't smile around anyone who isn't Yifan.

So you asking me: if the one time she verbally tells him "it doesn't hurt when you are showing me you care" in reference to him asking if her bruise face hurts... is abusive?

The answer is: No, why would I think that would be abusive?

I consider Sang Yan a gray flag because he's literally not nice to anyone but the FL.

I don't know what you are arguing about with me here because I did not say anything contrary to this.

are you talking about Sang Yan? I called Sang Yan a gray flag, I didn't say he was malicious I said he was not, I said Luke's mouth was malicious at times.

The main lead from The First Frost Bai Jingting plays him, I did really enjoy that drama.

When emotionally triggered he absolutely has low self control. Did you see him in that hotel room getting drunk.

Luke should know there is something wrong with how he speaks because 1. he hates when his dad speaks to him like that and he's acknowledged it 2. Literally every character has told him to speak nicer.

Why are you disregarding these realities about his character?