Okay, but this is not the same. Luke & Flora were on a work trip. She always compartmentalizes work from their…
Not being male centered clearly has everything to do with this because Flora's priorities go beyond just keeping her boyfriend happy but notice I didn't say she doesn't care about him, it's just she prioritizes her own goals more than having a boyfriend.
She was not insecure about other women she's very pragmatic, he even tried to make her jealous by using his sister/cousin and Flora took that all in stride. The only times when she was unsure about their dynamic was when she thought he was giving her a purse as a payoff to keep quiet (and thought he must do this with other women too) and when he left with the childhood friend and she thought he got her flowers, and then went on a trip with her and who wouldn't be insecure given that scenario?
She was outside of the matchmaking event helping people get their entry passes. She was not in the event nor was…
Worse than him how?
Does she intentionally try to make him jealous? Does she call him names and tell him he is worthless? Does she say she will send him to a different office if he doesn't perform well during the presentation? Does she stalk him when he's out with friends? Does she judge every action he takes and say he's not priortizing her?
Also at least in this episode she came to him and told him about the life she hopes to have with him. She was being vulnerable, he rarely lets himself be vulnerable with her.
Also I think it would be worse if she didn't tell Luke that this guy was her ex Boyfriend, but she specifically tells him that AND then introducing him as her Boss is actually more respectful than just saying he is her boyfriend. The only person who looks like a fool in this episode is the Ex Boyfriend because he was trying to take care of her in front of her boyfriend.
I can see people being upset about her treatment of the ex because he literally is making a fool of himself the entire episode.
Okay, but this is not the same. Luke & Flora were on a work trip. She always compartmentalizes work from their…
She's not male centered. I think too many folks have an issue with her not prioritizing a man above her own happiness or career but to say that she doesn't care what he's thinking or feeling is not accurate in my opinion.
Since she started this job she's always trying to think what he would like the problem is she cannot stop thinking about what he would prefer *as her BOSS*.
She sees him primarily as her boss.
And the controlling/possessive way he behaves as her "boyfriend" doesn't help her shed that perception of him begin her boss because anytime she tries to do something on her own he demeans and belittles her.
As for hugging her ex what is the issue with that? She's not trying to get back together with him, also just a few episodes earlier we saw Luke hug the same childhood friend, does Luke get a pass for that while we are blaming Flora?
FL is worse then ML, she attends matchmaking event, meets her ex, hugs him , is close to roommate, didn't introduced…
She was outside of the matchmaking event helping people get their entry passes. She was not in the event nor was she trying to date people from the event.
Why can she not be close friends with her roommate??? It's not like she's trying to hook up with him.
She was on a work trip with Luke of course she is going to introduce him as her BOSS. She always draws lines when they're working.
Luke is very insecure and immature in his behavior.
Why didn't Luke tell the Ex BF that he was 'Luan Nian' when the ex BF asked who that was?? Why does he default to being petty and angry?
Flora being so close with her ex and male friend while not acknowledging Luke as her boyfriend around them, even…
Okay, but this is not the same.
Luke & Flora were on a work trip. She always compartmentalizes work from their relationship because she takes her job seriously.
She was upset because he went away on a trip with another woman who she previously saw holding a huge bouquet of flowers that Luke had ordered and who she knows as his childhood sweetheart.
Also please remember that Luke is her 2nd "relationship" and he's also her boss, of course she's making mistakes, she doesn't have a lot of experience being in relationships and her default is always to look at him like her "BOSS" and not her boyfriend.
I think he felt vulnerable. I laugh at his jealous scenes, but I know he is upset. When he mentioned the matchmaking…
I agree.
Those flashbacks we see of her from episodes 1 &2 shows how much he already realizes she's grown and that scares him because he didn't think she could grow this much, and he probably feels insecure that she might outgrow him.
Luke wants the boyfriend title while refusing to go public and getting mad whenever Flora spends time with other people or makes her own choices and he wonders why she primarily thinks of him as her boss and not lover???
He also doesn't listen to her and jumps to wild conclusions because his jealousy is out of control.
Also him being willing to pull his investment from Sun Yu's company and bankrupt her because Flora helped do marketing/event organizing for her company (when she works in advertising) is toxic AF.
Episode 2 about 30 mins in when the leads run into each other again while he's coming back from a date with *spoiler redacted* (and the FL is not impressed by his BS at all 😅) she def had him wrapped around a finger.
Disclaimer: His workplace drama is what I struggled to get in to (or understand lol), her workplace drama was actually pretty interesting/entertaining. So beyond the CP watching her career and personal development was compelling.
Rewatching episode 1 (for the 3rd time) after watching episode 17, it's so obvious why Flora has some trust issues when it comes to Luke, he was very cutting about her value and ability from the start. I don't think he's ever come back once and apologized for those words, she just lives everyday with that in the back of her mind.
The real problem is color coding people instead of looking at them as 3D characters. It’s clear that they both…
"I am not going to respond to you reiterating that I have changed what I meant because I specifically asked you where the hell I did that and you have not answered me but instead just repeated what you were saying like a broken tape recorder."
How many times are you going to ask me about when you called Luke a red flag, I've literally quoted you only for you to come back and say you meant something else entirely. I don't mean to be rude so I will just say, I am not a psychology doctor so I am not going to be able to make this any easier for you if that is what you need.
"Hurt people especially should NOT be hurting people is mine." That's never going to happen, the best people can do is learn to do better.
"We need to stop this problematic idea that getting into relationships with people will somehow miraculously 'fix' you"
No one said that getting into a relationship will automatically fix you. I said, no matter how much healing you do on your own you still will have baggage and triggers to work through in the next relationship. No one is perfect and as Luke wrote " you do not have to be perfect to be worthy of love"
The real problem is color coding people instead of looking at them as 3D characters. It’s clear that they both…
"You never 'asked' what I actually meant, actually. You assumed what I had meant and then went off on that tangent."
You don't even know what you meant because you keep changing what you mean every single time you reply. You call it a tangent, I call it discussion.
"You said you don't have a father like that but you 'understand' him. Lucky you. I actually had a toxic father, so in theory, shouldn't I 'understand' his behaviour more than you?"
That actually is not the correct take away from my point. You are still trying to attach "relatability" as what makes us root for characters ... I am not doing that, I am specifically saying that they *do not have to be relatable*. And by your own admission you "relate" to Luke which is why you dislike him and his dad (and don't root for him) because they remind you of your own toxic family. Understanding is not the same thing as 'relating' and hurt people hurt people which explains why his father talk to him like that and why Luke talks to Flora like that.
"However, I do believe you shouldn't bring baggage from the past into your relationships. If you have baggage, deal with it and get over it before you get into a relationship."
No one would ever be in a relationship again if this was how the world operated. Also you can't heal emotional wounds/baggage all on your own, you need people and to be in close relationships in order to *build the skills* to overcome triggers and issues.
How many times has Luke told Flora he doesn't need her? Why should Flora trust him? Luke mostly just acts on things…
Luke literally has history with this man, he knows how deceptive and scheming Dony can be plus he did a background check and knows he was embezzling and sexually assaulting female coworkers. He himself said she would be the most likely target so why LUKE would not have proactively brought himself to where she was if he wanted to be involved you will have to tell me. But you are blaming her for not being a better victim and I find something so disgusting about that.
Also who cares about being told first or last, the important part is to show care. What does Luke do when he finds out? He yells at her and refuses to give her any emotional support because his ego is bruised.
It’s very clear why Flora puts her trust in herself first.
Another aspect folks are not considering while arguing that Flora should have gone to Luke about Dony is the fact that Luke playing a more direct role in this would have put a bigger spotlight on Luke.
The company was already doing shady things to him, what if Lime started investigating Luke and found out Luke was involved in this situationship with Flora?
How would that have helped either of them.
Flora did the right thing, and I am so glad all the women came together protect one another.
How many times has Luke told Flora he doesn't need her? Why should Flora trust him? Luke mostly just acts on things…
Him desiring her romantically is not the same as him needing her when problems come up. She's been trying to prove her value to him since the very beginning. Deep down she is insecure because she still believes Luke thinks she is incompetent and would not be able to handle things.
Also you are saying what I am saying which is: Luke also largely acts on his own and doesn't need or trust Flora so I don't think we are offering differing statements.
There were alot of people on the internet Blaming Shang Zhitao for not confiding in Luan Nian about Dony case.One,…
I agree and want to add:
+ Luke also told her he wasn't trying to work during his time off (she was aware he was dealing with his own issues with corporate) + Luke has also *repeatedly* told her he doesn't need her to help him + His best friend told her that Dony previously betrayed Luke and not to mention she knows about their bad history.
She probably looked at this situation with Dony as a chance to prove herself Luke. That she could expose the person who betrayed Luke and get him out of Lime, she wanted Luke to trust in her ability and see her as an equal, but he *never* does that.
Also, I want to point out in episode 16 Luke went and dealt with the Real Estate Agents without talking to Flora first so, this is a crazy double standard Luke is establishing.
The excuses people give for every single one of FL's bad behaviour while constantly making ML seem like a toxic…
How many times has Luke told Flora he doesn't need her?
Why should Flora trust him?
Luke mostly just acts on things independently, including the time when he went after the Real Estate Agents. He never discussed that with Flora. The double standard is absolutely ridiculous.
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She was not insecure about other women she's very pragmatic, he even tried to make her jealous by using his sister/cousin and Flora took that all in stride. The only times when she was unsure about their dynamic was when she thought he was giving her a purse as a payoff to keep quiet (and thought he must do this with other women too) and when he left with the childhood friend and she thought he got her flowers, and then went on a trip with her and who wouldn't be insecure given that scenario?
Does she intentionally try to make him jealous?
Does she call him names and tell him he is worthless?
Does she say she will send him to a different office if he doesn't perform well during the presentation?
Does she stalk him when he's out with friends?
Does she judge every action he takes and say he's not priortizing her?
Also at least in this episode she came to him and told him about the life she hopes to have with him. She was being vulnerable, he rarely lets himself be vulnerable with her.
Also I think it would be worse if she didn't tell Luke that this guy was her ex Boyfriend, but she specifically tells him that AND then introducing him as her Boss is actually more respectful than just saying he is her boyfriend. The only person who looks like a fool in this episode is the Ex Boyfriend because he was trying to take care of her in front of her boyfriend.
I can see people being upset about her treatment of the ex because he literally is making a fool of himself the entire episode.
Luke gets the highest platform.
Since she started this job she's always trying to think what he would like the problem is she cannot stop thinking about what he would prefer *as her BOSS*.
She sees him primarily as her boss.
And the controlling/possessive way he behaves as her "boyfriend" doesn't help her shed that perception of him begin her boss because anytime she tries to do something on her own he demeans and belittles her.
As for hugging her ex what is the issue with that? She's not trying to get back together with him, also just a few episodes earlier we saw Luke hug the same childhood friend, does Luke get a pass for that while we are blaming Flora?
Why can she not be close friends with her roommate??? It's not like she's trying to hook up with him.
She was on a work trip with Luke of course she is going to introduce him as her BOSS. She always draws lines when they're working.
Luke is very insecure and immature in his behavior.
Why didn't Luke tell the Ex BF that he was 'Luan Nian' when the ex BF asked who that was?? Why does he default to being petty and angry?
Luke & Flora were on a work trip. She always compartmentalizes work from their relationship because she takes her job seriously.
She was upset because he went away on a trip with another woman who she previously saw holding a huge bouquet of flowers that Luke had ordered and who she knows as his childhood sweetheart.
Also please remember that Luke is her 2nd "relationship" and he's also her boss, of course she's making mistakes, she doesn't have a lot of experience being in relationships and her default is always to look at him like her "BOSS" and not her boyfriend.
Those flashbacks we see of her from episodes 1 &2 shows how much he already realizes she's grown and that scares him because he didn't think she could grow this much, and he probably feels insecure that she might outgrow him.
shoulda never called her a foxtail 😂
He also doesn't listen to her and jumps to wild conclusions because his jealousy is out of control.
Also him being willing to pull his investment from Sun Yu's company and bankrupt her because Flora helped do marketing/event organizing for her company (when she works in advertising) is toxic AF.
UGH. I'm ready for this breakup.
Disclaimer: His workplace drama is what I struggled to get in to (or understand lol), her workplace drama was actually pretty interesting/entertaining. So beyond the CP watching her career and personal development was compelling.
Elvira Cai and Elvis need to do another drama together.
How many times are you going to ask me about when you called Luke a red flag, I've literally quoted you only for you to come back and say you meant something else entirely. I don't mean to be rude so I will just say, I am not a psychology doctor so I am not going to be able to make this any easier for you if that is what you need.
"Hurt people especially should NOT be hurting people is mine."
That's never going to happen, the best people can do is learn to do better.
"We need to stop this problematic idea that getting into relationships with people will somehow miraculously 'fix' you"
No one said that getting into a relationship will automatically fix you. I said, no matter how much healing you do on your own you still will have baggage and triggers to work through in the next relationship. No one is perfect and as Luke wrote " you do not have to be perfect to be worthy of love"
What is not clicking????
You don't even know what you meant because you keep changing what you mean every single time you reply. You call it a tangent, I call it discussion.
"You said you don't have a father like that but you 'understand' him. Lucky you. I actually had a toxic father, so in theory, shouldn't I 'understand' his behaviour more than you?"
That actually is not the correct take away from my point. You are still trying to attach "relatability" as what makes us root for characters ... I am not doing that, I am specifically saying that they *do not have to be relatable*. And by your own admission you "relate" to Luke which is why you dislike him and his dad (and don't root for him) because they remind you of your own toxic family. Understanding is not the same thing as 'relating' and hurt people hurt people which explains why his father talk to him like that and why Luke talks to Flora like that.
"However, I do believe you shouldn't bring baggage from the past into your relationships. If you have baggage, deal with it and get over it before you get into a relationship."
No one would ever be in a relationship again if this was how the world operated. Also you can't heal emotional wounds/baggage all on your own, you need people and to be in close relationships in order to *build the skills* to overcome triggers and issues.
Also who cares about being told first or last, the important part is to show care. What does Luke do when he finds out? He yells at her and refuses to give her any emotional support because his ego is bruised.
It’s very clear why Flora puts her trust in herself first.
The company was already doing shady things to him, what if Lime started investigating Luke and found out Luke was involved in this situationship with Flora?
How would that have helped either of them.
Flora did the right thing, and I am so glad all the women came together protect one another.
Also you are saying what I am saying which is: Luke also largely acts on his own and doesn't need or trust Flora so I don't think we are offering differing statements.
+ Luke also told her he wasn't trying to work during his time off (she was aware he was dealing with his own issues with corporate)
+ Luke has also *repeatedly* told her he doesn't need her to help him
+ His best friend told her that Dony previously betrayed Luke and not to mention she knows about their bad history.
She probably looked at this situation with Dony as a chance to prove herself Luke. That she could expose the person who betrayed Luke and get him out of Lime, she wanted Luke to trust in her ability and see her as an equal, but he *never* does that.
Also, I want to point out in episode 16 Luke went and dealt with the Real Estate Agents without talking to Flora first so, this is a crazy double standard Luke is establishing.
Why should Flora trust him?
Luke mostly just acts on things independently, including the time when he went after the Real Estate Agents. He never discussed that with Flora. The double standard is absolutely ridiculous.