my biggest issue with the show is the entire first arc, during which SJ was clearly shown to have memories of being 13 and what 13 went through. Which also made us become invested in the Hope Center kids. But now you say he’s the real son? The real son the show didn’t even bother giving us enough screen time to care about?
if this okiedoke ropeadope doesn’t ever get explained……. i will drastically lower my rating because it means they literally just manipulated the viewers in a way that makes no logical sense and treats us like idiots.
why did he think he had a sister. why did he think he was number 13. why did he think his real name was JYJ. What about the Shaman! Why did the Shaman get all possessed when he handed her his card! Why did he have repeated dreams about being chased in the forest by dogs, hiding with #111 by the tree, running with the other tracksuit kids….. why does he say he was in an accident when he was 7 and lost his memory yet he’s at least 11 or 12 in the scene where he’s crying at the playground saying he doesn’t know who he is. IT DOESNT ADD UP.
Why is a supposed child SJ with brain damage and his head wrapped up at sitting crying at the playground anyway???? The playground scene? Really? That’s what we are going with? Was the real JYJ on the seesaw and he told SJ his name and Sung Joon thought it was his own real name? This is so dumb I’m sorry! Why did he have the necklace. We saw 11 give 13 the necklace. How tf did it end up on SJ! Did seesaw kid give it to him? Why did he have those dreams. The dreams are the thing that’s really eating away at me. The being terrified of dogs, saying Mad Dogs name in his sleep. Come on!!!! They haven’t *sufficiently* explained ANY of that stuff and it’s completely cheapened the entire first half arc of the show. I mean I can swear I remember a scene where SH even says to his parents “What did you expect when you brought him home” about SJ as a child. Why TF would he say that if SJ was their biological son. What the hell was that?! I’m just supposed to accept that he’s their real son and he has magical brain damage that makes this convoluted plot magically work with a totally different story? I’m sorry it’s not working for me. None of us are invested in or feel attached to the biological child story so it ruins adult SJ if that’s all they wrote for his real childhood. If he’s the real son of this horrible shitty couple and all of this was some revenge on him too this is lame AF.
These writers are about to make me say “f*** those hope center kids” if that’s the case. I have no attachment to them if this is how it all plays out. Why hasn’t SJ done a DNA test on himself !!! Hello, easy way to be sure you are your parents real kid now!
it’s one thing to misdirect the audience. That happens. But what they did with SJ character makes zero sense without further explanation, I’m sorry. It was super obvious from early on that Charles & In Sung were the baddies and because the writers went the route they did, it’s hard to really care or feel connected to them. Unless there is still some plot twist and big reveal this will end up yet another recent thriller/crime/mystery Kdrama that I was SOOOOOO into but it ended up completely falling apart and losing all its magic in the second half.
The show would have been INFINITELY more interesting is SJ was really #13….. if he WAS really JYJ. Him being the biological kid with a waaaaay thinner lamer backstory and a convenient brain injury ruins the whole story for me at this point if that’s all it is.
This is me totally grasping at straws and looking for even the tiniest crumbs to eat but Kido Hun aka Yangcha posted a new picture on Insta and his hair is *CLEARLY* grown out and longer than it normally is.
Please please pleeeeeeease let this been a tiny clue that he is returning to his role 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I just don't understand one thing: How can SeungJun remember his sister, but don't remember his past? He would…
Doesn’t he remember the whistle and crazy dog but just not crazy dogs face and real name? In one of his nightmares he says “crazy dogs coming” and well as when he’s kidnapped and he’s terrified of dogs. I just think he has no idea who crazy dog is/memory of what he looks like. Or what his nightmares are really about.
The Joker case I agree makes me think it’s tied to his sister. It seems pretty clear that Crazy Dog, the Police Chief and the rest of them raped her and made her smile for them. That’s why I think the Joker slices the smile into their faces. As some kind of revenge for what the sister went through in their hands.
Am I the only one who thinks the voice on the recording sounds pretty obviously like Sung Hoon?
Also….. Eun Ki is likely Crazy Dogs daughter. It seems the Eun Ki’s mom did not tell him and Eun Ki has no idea.
The necklace is interesting because there were two of them. Young Sung Joon’s and his sisters. But in the scene where #11 is tied up and beaten he is wearing the necklace and #13 is also wearing the necklace when he goes back to where they are sleeping. So how do both of them have that necklace at that point.
And are we sure the sister is really dead?
The team that does the killing has one person on the motorcycle. Another person in the raincoat. Whoever it is it’s definitely a team of people.
I really wish they would at least confirm which adult characters are matched to the 5 young boys.
It definitely seems like Sung Joon is #13 But there isn’t any real evidence that Sung Hoon is #11 other than our just assuming. #11 has a totally different personality than Sung Hoon so did he change drastically. Maybe he’s not one of the 5 at all and he’s actually the real son of the asshole couple.
Btw, are you guys not worried that Uk may die if he removes the ice stone from inside himself?I mean, he got mortally…
As @Kathryn_51 would say they will come with some abracadabra mumbo jumbo magic to make what they want to work work! And yes I definitely think it’s very possible Jang Uk dies /Naksu Cho Yeong dies ….. we get some kind of tragic ending (which I personally have no problem with!) The happy ending was episode 19. I’m totally expecting a Xianxia Cdrama type ending.
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if this okiedoke ropeadope doesn’t ever get explained……. i will drastically lower my rating because it means they literally just manipulated the viewers in a way that makes no logical sense and treats us like idiots.
why did he think he had a sister. why did he think he was number 13. why did he think his real name was JYJ. What about the Shaman! Why did the Shaman get all possessed when he handed her his card! Why did he have repeated dreams about being chased in the forest by dogs, hiding with #111 by the tree, running with the other tracksuit kids….. why does he say he was in an accident when he was 7 and lost his memory yet he’s at least 11 or 12 in the scene where he’s crying at the playground saying he doesn’t know who he is. IT DOESNT ADD UP.
Why is a supposed child SJ with brain damage and his head wrapped up at sitting crying at the playground anyway???? The playground scene? Really? That’s what we are going with? Was the real JYJ on the seesaw and he told SJ his name and Sung Joon thought it was his own real name? This is so dumb I’m sorry! Why did he have the necklace. We saw 11 give 13 the necklace. How tf did it end up on SJ! Did seesaw kid give it to him? Why did he have those dreams. The dreams are the thing that’s really eating away at me. The being terrified of dogs, saying Mad Dogs name in his sleep. Come on!!!! They haven’t *sufficiently* explained ANY of that stuff and it’s completely cheapened the entire first half arc of the show. I mean I can swear I remember a scene where SH even says to his parents “What did you expect when you brought him home” about SJ as a child. Why TF would he say that if SJ was their biological son. What the hell was that?! I’m just supposed to accept that he’s their real son and he has magical brain damage that makes this convoluted plot magically work with a totally different story? I’m sorry it’s not working for me. None of us are invested in or feel attached to the biological child story so it ruins adult SJ if that’s all they wrote for his real childhood. If he’s the real son of this horrible shitty couple and all of this was some revenge on him too this is lame AF.
These writers are about to make me say “f*** those hope center kids” if that’s the case. I have no attachment to them if this is how it all plays out. Why hasn’t SJ done a DNA test on himself !!! Hello, easy way to be sure you are your parents real kid now!
it’s one thing to misdirect the audience. That happens. But what they did with SJ character makes zero sense without further explanation, I’m sorry. It was super obvious from early on that Charles & In Sung were the baddies and because the writers went the route they did, it’s hard to really care or feel connected to them. Unless there is still some plot twist and big reveal this will end up yet another recent thriller/crime/mystery Kdrama that I was SOOOOOO into but it ended up completely falling apart and losing all its magic in the second half.
The show would have been INFINITELY more interesting is SJ was really #13….. if he WAS really JYJ. Him being the biological kid with a waaaaay thinner lamer backstory and a convenient brain injury ruins the whole story for me at this point if that’s all it is.
Please please pleeeeeeease let this been a tiny clue that he is returning to his role 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
https://twitter.com/korean_update22/status/1577484644760846336?s=46&t=xF6u80U5IE8Aw9KkWZ-1aQ
The YG ones were super cute too but would be epic with all the groups together in full.
The Joker case I agree makes me think it’s tied to his sister. It seems pretty clear that Crazy Dog, the Police Chief and the rest of them raped her and made her smile for them. That’s why I think the Joker slices the smile into their faces. As some kind of revenge for what the sister went through in their hands.
The necklace is interesting because there were two of them. Young Sung Joon’s and his sisters. But in the scene where #11 is tied up and beaten he is wearing the necklace and #13 is also wearing the necklace when he goes back to where they are sleeping. So how do both of them have that necklace at that point.
And are we sure the sister is really dead?
The team that does the killing has one person on the motorcycle. Another person in the raincoat. Whoever it is it’s definitely a team of people.
I really wish they would at least confirm which adult characters are matched to the 5 young boys.
It definitely seems like Sung Joon is #13
But there isn’t any real evidence that Sung Hoon is #11 other than our just assuming. #11 has a totally different personality than Sung Hoon so did he change drastically. Maybe he’s not one of the 5 at all and he’s actually the real son of the asshole couple.
I need to rewatch the episodes and take notes lol
YOUKU still conned us with supposed 2 more episodes though.
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