InspectorMegre

yadi da.
MJ said he was wiling to trust his mother
but now he cannot even do that, she lied to him.


Nothing prevent ppl from GENTLY telling the basic truth, like YuNa was someone you disliked bc of her character, and she has caused trouble for you, so be careful what you talk / do with her

**** AUNT/MOM HAS TO WARN MJ TO BE CAREFUL AROUND YN ****

THAT IS WHAT I AM ASKING FOR

and you think it is best to just lie to him

So I am DONE here

I really dont want to discuss this anymore, we both said what we wanted

Bye.

is there a thing like this about daughters?

but her name is YuNa, not JJ or Chloe

and her face is YuNa

So Aunt/Mom lied indirectly when she failed to mention who YuNa is

and then Aunt/Mom lied straight to MJ's face telling him that he doesnt know Chloe

there was absolutely no reason to tell MJ that he didnt know Chloe at all. You didnt mention that. How is that saving this amnesiac?

she could have said - yes you know her - and that's it

well i wrote that before i read your stuff on amnesia, how important amnesia was to you -

to me amnesia doesnt make that kind of difference
bc telling a very simple truth to an amnesiac is the "normal" thing to do

Well I am not a medical professional and have no experience with amnesic patients. To me, MJ does not look like such a severe case since the doctors are not all around him all the time and he is allowed to have visitors and there is no doctor standing there watching what visitors say.

The bottom line is:
Are the only two choices KEEP SILENT OR TELL EVERY DETAIL? Let's not think black and white like that. There is the MIDDLE WAY. that is the razor's edge way and the hardest way.

I would not tell MJ every detail of his past with Yu Na.
But I WOULD tell him that YuNa was someone he disliked in the past bc she did not behave honorably.
I would tell him that he knew Chloe.
And I would say it very gently, and I would listen.

Ah you really missed the point. Yeah lies are global but generally they are considered bad, except little white lies to make life more pleasant, like "oh you look wonderful today" etc. This is a huge topic bc some cultures are ridden with ppl lying a lot, and some are more straight forward.

But I was not talking about that. I was talking about this specific kind of lying that is SOCIETALLY APPROVED AND EXALTED AS AN EXEMPLARY SACRIFICE, an exemplary consideration for another, where person A lies about VERY BIG IMPORTANT FACTS straight to face of person B so that person B "would not suffer".
A very Japanese concept

and a MAJOR staple trope in so many kdramas. But quite rare anywhere outside of East Asia.

One current example is kdrama Sold Out on You. 4 guys A B C and D had a company that made facial creams. Guy D put something bad into the cream and caused permanent damage to all ppl who used it. Guy A discovered that, BUT to save guys B and C from stress, guy A TOOK THE BLAME ON HIMSELF.
So guess what ... guys B and C suffered for years, thinking they made bad creams and damaged ppl...
and D came back years later and repeated the same thing to B and C's company - and destroyed them.

SO .... what good is lying to others to save them from pain, when it causes problems

you totally missed the point of my post. I was NOT talking about lying in general.
I was talking about the specific kind of lying where person A is lying straight to face of person B, out of consideration for person B, to save person B from pain, AND person A is considered to have sacrificed themselves for a good cause and is considered a societal saint.

THAT is totally toxic and stupid and dangerous and leads to huge problems later.

One current example is kdrama Sold Out on You. 4 guys A B C and D had a company that made facial creams. Guy D put something bad into the cream and caused permanent damage to all ppl who used it. Guy A discovered that, BUT to save guys B and C from stress, guy A TOOK THE BLAME ON HIMSELF.
So guess what ... guys B and C suffered for years, thinking they made bad creams and damaged ppl...
and D came back years later and repeated the same thing to B and C's company - and destroyed them.

SO .... what good is lying to others to save them from pain, when it causes problems

Of course ppl are ppl everywhere and all the same, but different cultures value and PRAISE different things.
I am talking statistics now. There are always individuals who differ, but I am talking statistically greatest possibility

For example: all cultures cheat on their spouses but ... French flaunt their side kicks and take them around in public and kinda brag, and it is expected to have a mistress. While white Americans cringe, bc they keep their side kicks top secret.
For example, everyone loves money! But in the USA, it is a good thing to talk about money and how much you have etc and brag about it. In France, it is a crude thing to talk about money.

So yeah - ppl lie everywhere and yeah they will lie pretending to be nice to someone and saving them, or even genuinely believe their lie is saving the other person.

But what I am talking about is this SPECIFIC kind of "my lying out of consideration for you is such a ***commendable sacrifice*** worth a gold star in social points", so commonly PRAISED and EXALTED in kdramas, and so commonly used for kdrama plots.
That whole approach is sooo Japanese...

Have you seen that so much in Turkish, Indian, Spanish, Brazilian, or American dramas and movies? But it is such a commonly repeated plot in kdramas. THAT is what I was talking about.

There are so many kdramas with this plot where people lie "out of consideration" straight to someone's face "to save them from pain" And they are portrayed as saints, sacrificing themselves for others. AND IT IS CONSIDERED A GOOD THING, the society approves it and praises it.
THAT kind of praise I have never seen anywhere except in kdramas and things Japenese, and I suspect any other Asian cultures that are on the "super extra polite" side, like Vietnam, Indonesia, etc. I have never been physically to Asia except in Japan, but I know a lot of Chinese, Thai, Japanese, Indonesians who live/visit USA.

I can sign on the dotted line that lying like that is not even a concept in the USA or Eastern Europe or Africa and I would say, Latin America too. Ppl would no even THINK of doing that and certainly would not praise anyone doing that.....
Yeah they will like to kiss up, to butter up, etc but NOT to intentionally sacrifice themselves to save another from perceived pain - that style of enabling is a truly signature toxic trait of siper extra polite Asian cultures

East Asian cultures are super high on consideration to others, and that is a good trait, anything west of East Asia could use A LOT more of that lmao
but then East Asia went so much overboard with the concept and turned it into something super toxic

Carol is goooone :) yay :)

I cannot believe how gullible the Dad is...
and the scenes between Mom and EldestSon - gosh he is terrified of her.
That must be quite a bad experience, to have that kind of narcissistic monster as your dear mom you love and listen to..
But EldestSon is sych a little boy, such a mama boy. He needs to grow up. First of all, his voice. His soft trembling voice is so irritating, he doesnt even sound like a child, he sounds like someone mentally ill. No wonder when his mother is such a leech and his father was never really there

Google says that "identity politics" is about a certain group fighting for its rights.
But isnt... Vincenzo, Heroes Next Door, etc all that too?
How is this drama westernized iyo? Thanks.

PS - I am curious to hear your opinion bc I saw that your watchlist is an impressive compilation of kdramas and you "followed" some actors which I learned about just recently and hav yet to check out their older dramas, e.g. Heroes on Call ML

yeah good question - we seldom see bad fathers in kdramas

the answer is very simple - sexism - women are always assigned to be ignorant, immature, do dumb things and be saved by men

I was wondering how ERWitch was gonna fall for the FashionDiva ... and yeah it happened ... when she could not see him lmao

Wow your priorities are twisted backwards

So please tell me, what would be emotional burden and pain to MJ if someone tells him that YuNa was nothing in his life?
Please explain to me how is keeping that hidden helping him from being A LOT MORE HURT later when he finds out that YuNa was a nasty he despised? Or when he falls for her and does something stupid he cannot undo?

And please explain to me, how is it possible that people close to you intentionally LIE straight to your face, and make decisions for you what you should know and what you should not know. Isn't that called dictatorship and censoring? AND WHERE IS CLOSENESS IN THAT? if someone lies to me, by defaul they are NOT close to me, they are some random stranger who is abusing me.

And please explain to me, how are lies supposed to help you keep you safe? Lies are like alcohol or drugs - everything looks nice at the moment but you do stupid stuff and then you CRASH afterwards and you feel very sick and lost, you ruin your life and you might even die.

And please explain to me how lies are NOT emotional burden and pain? when the liar has to keep track of what they lied about and get scared every time those topics are mentioned, and the person lied to will feel betrayed. THE LIES RUIN RELATIONSHIPS.
There is no relationship if there is lying.

So clearly, approved lying is social psychopathy and sociopathy, various snowflakes trying to justify themselves and various evil people bsing ppl into cheating each other, divide and conquer strategy.

And if you cannot see it, then .. sorry buddy, there is nothing else to talk about. We live very different lives :) Your planet is uninhabitable for me, it is TOXIC
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It is like going to dentist - DO YOU Want to take care o a cavity while it is small,
OR
you want to ignore it, have a good time, and let it become a root canal?

your choice, Mr. Root Canal!!!!! Go for it, let your teeth rot :) because you dont want the discomfort of taking care of a cavity

SURE SNOWFLAKES END UP WITH ROOT CANALS BC THEY CANT TAKE CARE OF A CAVITY

and in real life, if you can prevent cavities too

So this is another example -
YOU DONT WANT TO BE BOTHERED BRUSHING YOUR TEETH BC IT IS INCONVENIENT
AND THEN YOU END UP WITH CAVITIES

Wow this societal sociopathy - so it is "polite" to LIE STRAIGHT TO PPL'S FACES "OUT OF CONSIDERATION"

WOW THAT IS THE DARK SIDE OF ASIA - LYING TO EACH OTHERS' FACES LIKE THAT

MJ should never forgive his Mom/Aunt for lying to him
but the drama will probably make her a saint lmao IT IS SUCH A BRAINWASHING

SOCIETAL SOCIOPATHY LEGALIZED LYING AND CHEATING EACH OTHER

MJ's aunt/mom is a loser for sure. These kinds of things is what only losers do, and that's why she never made any progress for 30 years. She is just dumb

Lying to MJ can lead to him getting entangled with YuNa and other dangerous things stemming from that

Remember: IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO KILL OFF ALL CHARACTERS IN AN ALIEN INVASION

this is a suggestion from @rio and I am 100% for it. Only that can save this drama. Just like rio said, have a meteor fall down somewhere and aliens take care of this business and prevent further feverish nighmares

You know what's funny? We got these extra episodes bc the drama was doing ah so well so MBC wanted to reward the audience with more episodes.

Omg. JH is their cousin for sure

LMAO LMAO LMAO this is the best comment ever! totally accurate

I 100% agree!!!!!
I am laughing so hard here, you nailed this to the last atom. Yes, only an alien invasion that kills off all characters can save this drama

I am glad that Chairman knows it was his hesitation to turn HY in that caused SR's death eventually

These ppl are NOT strategists, they are just simply GREEDY and LAZY
e.g. Chairman keeps his enemies close, but never monitors them lmao

and HY is the only one working hard, and that's why she always wins

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and, Chairman was coddling himself and called it "hesistation" but he should call it what it is - - CALOUS SELFISH GREED, ARROGANCE AND CRUELTY TO OTHERS - he thought JM's family was lesser and he didnt care that their father died, that their mother went insane, that his granddaugher was kidnapped...

Until Chairman sees what he ACTUALLY did - he did not hesistate, he just greedily threw ppl under the bus so that HE CAN PROFIT - until he sees what he is really like, he will never really succed in life.

HY is 100% evil monster.

Wow Dumb Mi and Dumb BH - they just grab criminals by the collar and tell them to tell the truth LMAO they really dont get it that the liars always lie????

HY is a masterful liar and a masterful actress, and a ruthless serial killer. Dracula is right there by her... and Lawyer Mom wants to date cute and refined Dracula LMAO LMAO LMAO

SR got what she deserved.... As simple as that. She even called HY "mom" to the very end. Such a stupid greedy moron...

Some ppl are speculating that Jun Ho saved her - well - he doesnt look that sane, does he? ...
JH IS INSANE, LITERALLY!!!! even if he did save SR, he still acted out of egotism, bc he is indirectly forcing JM to "be" SR and so he can marry her and inherit the Dream Group - a brilliant plan!!!!! it is not.... JH is insane totally insane. Literally insane. And still - evil.
If JH did not save SR, then ... he is surely 10000% evil.

And then we see JM standing on the street with JH and SH running them over with WTOD .... omg

@rio suggested adding an alien invasion to the plot and killinig off all the characters. I think... that is the only thing that will save this drama! LMAO LMAO LMAO I rolled off my chair when I read that comment. One of the best memes ever lmao

The disaster dramas like this become worth it when you get to read the comments. The Twelve, Our Universe and now this drama have the most funny comments.

So there is like 30 more eps of this kind of stuff... ... ! At this point, this is surely a curiousity hate watch and one wrong move from the drama and I am out of here.
Abd that's two strikes against MBC dailes.