You are entitled not to like my joke, you are not entitled to PC censor it.
I didn't report your comment myself. But I can see how MDL mods would've approved its removal and I can see how some other users would've chosen to report it. You joked about assault of those with a different opinion than yours and I said it was distasteful. Someone else did the censoring. I have nothing more to add.
I'm genuinely curious about this and I hope you don't mind me asking! Your comment shows an increased interest…
Thank you for responding! I'll keep it shorter this time! Yeah pretty much the actors are just following the script here. To accurately evaluate their performance we'd have to check out a different performance of theirs in a different drama with a story that fits personal standards. I'm sure one day the actors (if they continue their acting career) will star in a drama that shows their potential in a way you like as well ^^
DEEP SQUAD is iconic not gonna lie. Cool to hear you tried playing it! The music of KH is indeed not super unique, its just another jpop boygroup song. But its cutesy so its alright for me.
I'm sorry to hear about your view that art is dying. I'm sure there are still some indie movies/surprises out there! I know sometimes things may seem bleak but sometimes unexpected treasures in entertainment do still await. Lets just wait and see how the Cherry Magic movie is first!
because it's called having an opinion, which everyone is entitled to, may it be positive or negative. even if…
Yeah sure the discussion was fine to have. It's just that I know the original poster and the pronouns you used were wrong which is why I posted about using neutral they/them ones if unsure.
I understand what you mean, but dating culture is different in every country, so holding hands can be a big deal…
Oh yeah the Cherry Magic manga definitely goes into lesser G-rated territory. The Kieta Hatsukoi manga is pretty much as innocent as can be from up to where I read.
While I agree the relationship happened quickly.. In a sense the actual goal of a stable relationship can seem distant due to the repeated uncertainty so that's why I still refer to it as a slow progression show. This relationship is not the same as that in Bad Buddy for example where it feels like theres a passionate need for being together for the MLs. Essentially due to the uncertainty of the MLs they are still slow in progression in terms of a lovestory even though they are at the point of relationship early.
I think one of the goals of the show was to show this doubt of love and that not everyone needs to be 100% on a decision. That things can eventually work out like this even if you're not sure as long as you keep true to yourself. Whether that makes for a good romance story.. Its good for self-exploration purposes for young people but I can see how some may prefer the more passionate love/desire of more traditional love stories.
I think as a young person a lot of new things appear in life that feel like they need to be figured out. Sexuality, identity ect.. Are all things we find out as we grow up. Now we can choose to ignore these things for a long time (Adachi from CM example) but sometimes events happen which force us to think about these things earlier. I feel like that (super) careful exploration of identity and subsequently love itself is an important focus of Kieta Hatsukoi (the show). Which can be a bit of a difference from other shows who mainly focus on the romance.
As for why its done so innocently/carefully. I think its cause the mangaka (aside from selling more chapters) wanted to create a safe space for their shoujo young audience to explore that on a slow pace. Not just the romance but also that doubt. Does this negatively impact the love story itself? In a way yes since the story will have a super slow progression/static with going in rounds like you said with the kitten example. But I do think it has a purpose for the audience and we can still like the cutesy moments.
While its true that adaptations can and should change some things, a lot is still dependent on the source material. Defaulting to the manga is a safe bet as its commercial success spoke for itself. They also can't go too far from the manga as they will anger that fanbase and the mangaka (who is usually involved in the shows) would never approve. So I totally get why they decided to keep to this road and they'll stick to it till the end from what I've seen.
because it's called having an opinion, which everyone is entitled to, may it be positive or negative. even if…
Just an aside: You're assuming pronouns here of a person you don't know by using ''she''. Use they/them instead preferably if someone has not indicated their gender. Same goes for SARANGAmjatha.
I'm genuinely curious about this and I hope you don't mind me asking! Your comment shows an increased interest…
Thank you for your reply! I agree Machida Keita was a wonderful actor who managed to portray the character very well.
So from what you said the main issue seems to be that the characters wear their emotions on their faces directly in Kieta Hatsukoi without deeper conflict within them. And mayby I misunderstand this but the issue seems to also be the lack of desire from the characters in Kieta Hatsukoi? Considering Kurosawa had a long period of desire for Adachi and Ida and Aoki didn't really have this between each other.
But can your issue with the Kieta Hatsukoi emotional depth really be attributed fully to the actors performance? I've read the manga and its really similar to the Kieta Hatsukoi show. The actors are just performing the scenes and characters in the way they are in the manga. I personally don't fault the actors for performing the roles the way they are in the source material.
The actor of Ida can't act like a character with a hidden crush because it simply isn't in the source material. The actor of Aoki can't make his thoughts as clear as we know Adachi in Cherry Magic because his inner thoughts aren't the focus in the story. They may not be performing your favorite type of story but I don't think the fault of that lies in the actors ability. Anyway that's just my opinion on it.
It would've been nice to see Ida and Aoki having more desire towards each other or having a strong feeling of love for each other for a long time. But this sort of accidental love isn't a bad thing perse, its just different. Aoki and Ida do just kinda go along with things but we can still enjoy the cute aspects of that accidental love. Even if there is no deep meaning, of course it loses some of the artistic value for not having a deeper message but regardless its a happy show with good vibes. Now it could be argued that this makes the show bad and that's an opinion for each their own. My main opinion is just that the actors are doing a nice job for the story they are portraying and just cause a story may not fit personal standards that's not always gonna mean that the actors are bad.
As for the other aspects: Comedy and Music. Comedy is hit or miss. Some can like it and others will just not find it funny, can't really help with that. There are clearly some people enjoying the scenes but if it doesn't land for you then thats ok. Music is also very personal taste. The show promotes the boygroups of the main leads and I can't fault them for that advertising. Boygroup music like that can be hit or miss, some people love it and others despise it. I will say Good Love Your Love by DEEP SQUAD was also a boygroup but they have a different type of music (much more relaxed) so I can see that being a factor in liking them.
I understand what you mean, but dating culture is different in every country, so holding hands can be a big deal…
I think the source material (shoujo manga) is largely gonna be the source of your issues with the show. Because for the manga having the love between them take dramatic turns and twists every issue was something that attracted new readers. It just kept things unexpected and cute which is what the readers liked.
As a BL watcher its easy to perceive the story as 1 ongoing thing which can be less fun considering the progression rate of the relationship. It's not just small-sized cuteness but a whole story to get through. For me the cuteness is an important enough factor that I can easily forgive the slow progression of the relationship. The more childish way of approaching relationships in this show is in my opinion also connected to its origin. This slows the progression of the relationship down to a crawl and makes big moments all the more hyped. So yeah its not just the fluff BL world but also just an approach to the story that was taken on purpose for the sake of the source materials success and it appears in the show too.
For the manga it allowed for much chapters to be published. You can see it as a similar thing with Zettai BL where the main dude will just not get into a relationship even if its the end of him. Because if theres a clear relationship then the mangaka has to pick some alternative ''goal'' aside from relationship progression. Some mangas like Kinou Nani Tabeta explore this road but a lot of manga stories prefer to just have the relationship development towards final ''eternal'' love as main goal.
Now in comparison to other BLs we can see that its not that uncommon BLs to take this slow approach, after all the relationship is endgoal in nearly all BLs and those episodes need content. What makes the difference for Kieta Hatsukoi is that they don't kiss (mayby in final tho) and that sexual tension is kept to a very innocent low. And this is again connected to its shoujo origin of just keeping things cutesy and keeping readers engaged. Because yes those shoujo readers are willing to wait for intimacy for an eternity while in most BL shows waiting that long is just not necessary.
So I think in the end an opinion on the show depends on what you as a person want from a BL. For me the shoujo way of dealing with things is not that much of an issue but I can see how for others it could be a dealbreaker. After all not everyone likes dramas from every country or genre. Anyway that's just my opinion on it.
I have watched ep 8 now without any willingness, because I am so tired and there is nothing to watch, so my conclusion…
I'm genuinely curious about this and I hope you don't mind me asking! Your comment shows an increased interest towards shows taking the story to a darker place and you've said before that you like Utsukushii Kare on that drama page. I would understand a general preference for shows that take it to a darker place or shows that try to be more realistic but Cherry Magic seems to be kind of an exception in the list.
From my own experience Cherry Magic was a very wholesome show which also showed a lack of intimacy. Now of course this show excused it with the whole magic plotline so mayby for you that was enough but I thought I'd just ask anyway. For a lot of fans Cherry Magic can also be considered as a cute show although of course the plotline was about way older characters.
So I was wondering what made the difference for you personally since its clearly not black and white between realism and lighthearted romcom. Is it the actors for you that made the difference? Mayby in this case the younger age thing could that be a factor in disliking Kieta Hatsukoi in comparison to CM too. While the characters of Utsukushii Kare and Kieta Hatsukoi are both highschoolers, the UK ones appear older because of how non-innocent they act. Anyway, I'm just curious about the exact things that made the difference for you.
i’m genuinely surprised you are still watching this drama
Ohh no its going to be continuation J100!!! I've already read all the news about it. Its going to show the aftermath of the final episode. New content!
Yeah I'd love to watch it on bigscreen too ^^ unfortunately I'm not in Japan when the movie is released.
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You joked about assault of those with a different opinion than yours and I said it was distasteful. Someone else did the censoring. I have nothing more to add.
Yeah pretty much the actors are just following the script here. To accurately evaluate their performance we'd have to check out a different performance of theirs in a different drama with a story that fits personal standards. I'm sure one day the actors (if they continue their acting career) will star in a drama that shows their potential in a way you like as well ^^
DEEP SQUAD is iconic not gonna lie. Cool to hear you tried playing it! The music of KH is indeed not super unique, its just another jpop boygroup song. But its cutesy so its alright for me.
I'm sorry to hear about your view that art is dying. I'm sure there are still some indie movies/surprises out there! I know sometimes things may seem bleak but sometimes unexpected treasures in entertainment do still await. Lets just wait and see how the Cherry Magic movie is first!
While I agree the relationship happened quickly.. In a sense the actual goal of a stable relationship can seem distant due to the repeated uncertainty so that's why I still refer to it as a slow progression show. This relationship is not the same as that in Bad Buddy for example where it feels like theres a passionate need for being together for the MLs. Essentially due to the uncertainty of the MLs they are still slow in progression in terms of a lovestory even though they are at the point of relationship early.
I think one of the goals of the show was to show this doubt of love and that not everyone needs to be 100% on a decision. That things can eventually work out like this even if you're not sure as long as you keep true to yourself. Whether that makes for a good romance story.. Its good for self-exploration purposes for young people but I can see how some may prefer the more passionate love/desire of more traditional love stories.
I think as a young person a lot of new things appear in life that feel like they need to be figured out. Sexuality, identity ect.. Are all things we find out as we grow up. Now we can choose to ignore these things for a long time (Adachi from CM example) but sometimes events happen which force us to think about these things earlier. I feel like that (super) careful exploration of identity and subsequently love itself is an important focus of Kieta Hatsukoi (the show). Which can be a bit of a difference from other shows who mainly focus on the romance.
As for why its done so innocently/carefully. I think its cause the mangaka (aside from selling more chapters) wanted to create a safe space for their shoujo young audience to explore that on a slow pace. Not just the romance but also that doubt. Does this negatively impact the love story itself? In a way yes since the story will have a super slow progression/static with going in rounds like you said with the kitten example. But I do think it has a purpose for the audience and we can still like the cutesy moments.
While its true that adaptations can and should change some things, a lot is still dependent on the source material. Defaulting to the manga is a safe bet as its commercial success spoke for itself. They also can't go too far from the manga as they will anger that fanbase and the mangaka (who is usually involved in the shows) would never approve. So I totally get why they decided to keep to this road and they'll stick to it till the end from what I've seen.
I agree Machida Keita was a wonderful actor who managed to portray the character very well.
So from what you said the main issue seems to be that the characters wear their emotions on their faces directly in Kieta Hatsukoi without deeper conflict within them. And mayby I misunderstand this but the issue seems to also be the lack of desire from the characters in Kieta Hatsukoi? Considering Kurosawa had a long period of desire for Adachi and Ida and Aoki didn't really have this between each other.
But can your issue with the Kieta Hatsukoi emotional depth really be attributed fully to the actors performance? I've read the manga and its really similar to the Kieta Hatsukoi show. The actors are just performing the scenes and characters in the way they are in the manga. I personally don't fault the actors for performing the roles the way they are in the source material.
The actor of Ida can't act like a character with a hidden crush because it simply isn't in the source material. The actor of Aoki can't make his thoughts as clear as we know Adachi in Cherry Magic because his inner thoughts aren't the focus in the story. They may not be performing your favorite type of story but I don't think the fault of that lies in the actors ability. Anyway that's just my opinion on it.
It would've been nice to see Ida and Aoki having more desire towards each other or having a strong feeling of love for each other for a long time. But this sort of accidental love isn't a bad thing perse, its just different. Aoki and Ida do just kinda go along with things but we can still enjoy the cute aspects of that accidental love. Even if there is no deep meaning, of course it loses some of the artistic value for not having a deeper message but regardless its a happy show with good vibes. Now it could be argued that this makes the show bad and that's an opinion for each their own. My main opinion is just that the actors are doing a nice job for the story they are portraying and just cause a story may not fit personal standards that's not always gonna mean that the actors are bad.
As for the other aspects: Comedy and Music.
Comedy is hit or miss. Some can like it and others will just not find it funny, can't really help with that. There are clearly some people enjoying the scenes but if it doesn't land for you then thats ok.
Music is also very personal taste. The show promotes the boygroups of the main leads and I can't fault them for that advertising. Boygroup music like that can be hit or miss, some people love it and others despise it. I will say Good Love Your Love by DEEP SQUAD was also a boygroup but they have a different type of music (much more relaxed) so I can see that being a factor in liking them.
As a BL watcher its easy to perceive the story as 1 ongoing thing which can be less fun considering the progression rate of the relationship. It's not just small-sized cuteness but a whole story to get through. For me the cuteness is an important enough factor that I can easily forgive the slow progression of the relationship. The more childish way of approaching relationships in this show is in my opinion also connected to its origin. This slows the progression of the relationship down to a crawl and makes big moments all the more hyped. So yeah its not just the fluff BL world but also just an approach to the story that was taken on purpose for the sake of the source materials success and it appears in the show too.
For the manga it allowed for much chapters to be published. You can see it as a similar thing with Zettai BL where the main dude will just not get into a relationship even if its the end of him. Because if theres a clear relationship then the mangaka has to pick some alternative ''goal'' aside from relationship progression. Some mangas like Kinou Nani Tabeta explore this road but a lot of manga stories prefer to just have the relationship development towards final ''eternal'' love as main goal.
Now in comparison to other BLs we can see that its not that uncommon BLs to take this slow approach, after all the relationship is endgoal in nearly all BLs and those episodes need content. What makes the difference for Kieta Hatsukoi is that they don't kiss (mayby in final tho) and that sexual tension is kept to a very innocent low. And this is again connected to its shoujo origin of just keeping things cutesy and keeping readers engaged. Because yes those shoujo readers are willing to wait for intimacy for an eternity while in most BL shows waiting that long is just not necessary.
So I think in the end an opinion on the show depends on what you as a person want from a BL. For me the shoujo way of dealing with things is not that much of an issue but I can see how for others it could be a dealbreaker. After all not everyone likes dramas from every country or genre. Anyway that's just my opinion on it.
Your comment shows an increased interest towards shows taking the story to a darker place and you've said before that you like Utsukushii Kare on that drama page. I would understand a general preference for shows that take it to a darker place or shows that try to be more realistic but Cherry Magic seems to be kind of an exception in the list.
From my own experience Cherry Magic was a very wholesome show which also showed a lack of intimacy. Now of course this show excused it with the whole magic plotline so mayby for you that was enough but I thought I'd just ask anyway. For a lot of fans Cherry Magic can also be considered as a cute show although of course the plotline was about way older characters.
So I was wondering what made the difference for you personally since its clearly not black and white between realism and lighthearted romcom. Is it the actors for you that made the difference? Mayby in this case the younger age thing could that be a factor in disliking Kieta Hatsukoi in comparison to CM too. While the characters of Utsukushii Kare and Kieta Hatsukoi are both highschoolers, the UK ones appear older because of how non-innocent they act.
Anyway, I'm just curious about the exact things that made the difference for you.
There is hope for a kiss again indeed ^^
Yeah I'd love to watch it on bigscreen too ^^ unfortunately I'm not in Japan when the movie is released.
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