We spent 8 eps wondering if JINMAN is dead or not... now they've left us with another conundrum - is MINHYE dead or not?!
Pasin is good with meds, she wasn't necessarily dead when he went to get her - though she was unconscious.
The thumb rule of dramas and movies is this though: eyes closed = mostly alive, good chance to resurrect later; eyes open = cold dead, long gone, so long and thanks for all the fish! (might come over for flashbacks).
I mean, even JinMan used the trope LOL, to fool JeongMin - he just laid there, eyes open, sooooo dead LOL. MinHye didn't have anyone to fool though, so I think she lives.
Exactly... this system is quite inhumane, especially since rich sons from Chaebols and influential politicians…
Either world history gets taught differently in the States, or there is some very serious confusion over who, what, when, how regional wars started AND continued.
To make it short (as much as it can be done with such a complex history), the freaking CIA of the US has had its dirty fingers in so many pies all over the world, it's not even remotely funny. I mean, they undermined ANY kind of social democracies in the South and Latin America just based on the fear that "commies" are going to come too close to the US borders (oh and even before that, there's that "delicious" destruction of any political systems in Honduras that started because the freaking country wouldn't beg on its knees to some banana company to allow it to continue its existence! - and not once, but SEVEN times over, up tp the middle of the 20th century. That's just Honduras, though, they got involved in a lot of other South and Latin American small countries. Where did you think the term "banana republic" came from?!) And then there's the whole Iran Shah issue, which also involved American CIA and led to the present situation where freaking Iran is one of the worst theocracies around, just because BP wanted to keep its oil sources and make money, and the US decided they wanted an in, too. And there are so many other mishaps - people are a fighting and irrational species, we like war, but most wars happen and end on their own... not so when they're used for proxy fighting among world superpowers with vested interest in resources and power projection zones. I can't believe you seriously do think the US ONLY became involved in all its wars by accident, because they like to help and the like!
The US had a freaking red scare period that took WAY too long to even ammeliorate, and it's still going on at a level of irrational fear of anything sounding "social"-inclined, up to and including its own public health system. The whole period of the Cold War they DID start OR encouraged a lot of troubles everywhere they imagined Russians or Chinese were trying to influence into getting in their own zone of projected power (and maybe that was warranted, but the WAY they did go about it is atrocious. And no, the end doesn't justify the means, even if they were really, really scared the commies were coming to get them.)
The Korean War would've remained a regional war that would have been solved eventually if BOTH sides didn't ally themselves with whoever they could - the Chinese and Russians did provide support to the present NK, and the US and their allies supported SK. It was by all definitions a proxy war, except it did include American soldiers who, by all means, should not have even been there if it wasn't for the fear Americans already had of the USSR and China. And it may be presumed that they actually wanted to keep a foothold in Asia just to make sure nothing would come from there by surprise. That makes sense, in a way, but it doesn't actually excuse 3 million victims among Koreans on both sides of the lines (more than in the Vietman war), some of which SK executed directly just because they were suspected NK communists, completely destroyed cities and infrastructure, and created a completely messed up political system IN BOTH COUNTRIES. The NK got loaded with the Kim family of dictators, and SK was a military dictatorship, TOO, up til the beginning of the 1990s. That is 40 years of military dictatorship that was inflicted on them AFTER the armistice. And it was supported by the allies who had fought on their side or supported them in different ways.
There are no freaking angels in an inter-ethnic war, no matter who started it.
And leaving that aside - again, the discussion started with why does SK HAVE to make its young men go to mandatory army training - THIS IS WHY. The war has been going on for nigh on 74 years now, and it's only been put on the back burner, not concluded. And NK starved its population until it got its nuclear weapons, which means it's under a MAD shield right about now. But SK DOESN'T have it own MAD shield, it's under the US' shield, and the US has already proven it can elect actual idiots in its highest place of power, and keep supporting them - wildly cheering them on - as they promise to dismantle every promise the US has made to its allies.
SK men do NOT have the luxury of voluntary army, if it wants to have some chance of survival. If it's left on its own, you can bet NK will come knocking. And THEN we'll see what happens.
That is the whole problem, though - SOME of them CAN find means of evading mandatory miliary service, and it's definitely unfair for the rest of them. Getting rid of the mandatory military service is not on the table - the country is still, officially, at war! - but people do not take it well when someone even SEEMS to try to get out of it. If the freaking war resumes, those who didn't go would have to hide behind those who did go, and that's not acceptable. I can freaking understand their POV, and I'm not even Korean, or in Asia right now. It's not so hard to understand, the heck!
My sister watched the drama as her first chinese drama ever to watch and she became obsessed ,, she watched it…
Give her Wonderland of Love - great chemistry, Xu Kai acting his best role ever, and an hour-long HEA episode. She'll learn to appreciate cdramas even more :D
I was really stupid to mark this drama as "not interested" (it was bcoz I hate SE) , yesterday I saw someone's…
No, he only has eyes for the FL, and the SFL is just trying to survive by any means necessary (which makes her a b*tch) because she has some serious trauma and there were no psychologists to help her in fantasy ancient China LOL.
But be warned this is an abusive love story, so there WILL be some push and pull of playing jealousy games, too, from both sides.
Exactly... this system is quite inhumane, especially since rich sons from Chaebols and influential politicians…
You can't even begin to compare the US' situation with that of SK. First, the US have only ONCE been attacked by another COUNTRY on their territory (and that was in Hawaii, not the mainland). I repeat, once. Then, in the modern era (because they were never NOT involved in some minor war or skirmish where they didn't actually belong) for geopolitical reasons and to project power, also to restrict their real or imagined enemies, also for the exploitation of resources, as they did in the Latin America, the US went to war almost continuosly somewhere ELSE. (In process, generally destroying infrastructure, killing or causing to be killed hundreds of thousands of people, creating an arms' race - not by themselves, obviously, it takes two, or more, to tango in this issue - but never, ever coming at total peace since WWII). But they were never FORCED to do so, they CHOSE to do so and that's why their soldiers are always signing up on their own choice.
The Korean War is another proxy war between the communist nations and the US and its allies, just like the Vietnam war (or the 80s Afghanistan war). The war never ended, it stopped because both sides reached an armistice and that's the way it remained til today. It could start NOW, if the crazy dictator in the North decides so. In the border regions, they keep having incidents. NK deflectors keep risking their lives - and those of their families - to escape that hellhole. SK is treating it as the most dangerous and current threat to peace. And every once in a while, NK is "testing" yet another rocket or conducting nuclear tests. Seoul is but hours away from nuclear anihilation, if NK decides to go to hot war yet again. Maintaining a population trained for war, if it should happen, is extremely important to SK. They cannot risk relaxing. Would you, if a close neighbour country would have nuclear weapons and you were already in a tense situation with them? Even if their reasoning doesn't make sense to YOU, it won't stop them from attacking if they so decide. You HAVE to prepare. And SK does.
The problem with the system is that it's supposed to be uniform for all men between certain ages, and there are too many (of pretty specific socio-economic backgrounds) that never serve their mandatory military service, while the unprivileged never get exempt (unless some specific conditions, mainly health-related, are met). It's so serious to the regular people and they keep attacking those they see as flaunting or ignoring the rules exactly because it IS supposed to be the same for everybody, not just the poor or unconnected.
And then there's obviously the actual danger (soldiers do die in border skirmishes, from time to time), the abuse (plenty of stories about that), the boredom even (and it goes on and on for around 2 years, when you're basically stuck there, under some power-drunk superior, and life passes you by). I can totally understand their frustration. Can you?
This logic is insane. It took him this long to become an A lister, had he gone 2 years ago, much of his efforts…
TBH, all men (who aren't disqualified) HAVE to go to the army and most of them do not get extensions until they have a stable career, either. They have to put their lives on hold from 1.5 to 2 years of their youth for the army and it doesn't sit well with the regular citizen, if the stars and chaebols and the sons of politicians or well-connected people do not do the same.
And there are plenty of stories of abuse against soldiers in the regular troops, while most of the media stars usually get to go to the PR dep't or some such easier post (with some exceptions - some of them did go to the regular troops, by choice, I guess). There have already been great scandals of stars caught in fake exemptions from army service, some of them have been completely cancelled for it.
What I mean is, there IS some substance to South Koreans being mad about anyone trying to dodge or extend their career building instead of going to the army like everybody else who isn't privileged.
1) characters have no background ? the whole is 80% flashbacks that builds the characters up (and gives their…
Pasin is a merc, one of JinMan's friends, who needs to pay for some medical issue in his family and then for his child/children school. He is a man-of-all-trades, who can cook, likes old Thai songs, does teach Muay-Thai well enough to at least two girls with no martial arts base, is loyal but also prudent, likes money (likes money a lot, LOL), does construction too, but might be a bit shady (or just careful about being in too much light). And he might have a soft spot for MinHye, LOL :D
Also, was I the only one who wanted to see the flashback where Jian finally punches Jinman and gets to move out?…
I wanted to see that too. She HAS to have hit him (for real or he let her), because she DOES have a new appartment that he's "fixing" by putting bars in the windows and giving her metal wardrobes to hide in, LOL.
Just finished it, I liked it. Was cute, lighthearted, actors did good and had some good chemistry. I was worried…
He didn't, though (change his personality). In the "novel" Sunbae/Grim Reaper offered MyungHa, YeoWoon was completely devoted to his love interest (who was also the FL of the novel and ended up with the ML, who was NOT YeoWoon), to the tune that he did EVERYTHING for her and still got absolutely nothing from her in return.
When MyungHa was thrown in the alternate world, YeoWoon instead got involved with him... and also became totally in love, head-over-heels, with him. His one-sided devotion was one of the things that MyungHa felt compassion for him over.
If at the beginning of the flashback we go back to 16 years ago then wwx couldn't have been dead for 16 years…
So, it's been 13 years since WWX died. The events before his death took (in-drama) about a year. Let's say two, at most. Jin Ling was born right before WWX dies, so he's 13-14 at most, in theory. Shizui/A-Yuan is three or four years older than him and LWJ took him to Cloud Recesses also right before WWX died (that's why he was late to the battle).
A-Qing DIED almost immediately after she got to Yi City (Xue Yang stayed with them for about half a year, until he made XXC kill most of the people in the city.) So no more getting older for her after that. Sorry it's not immediately obvious she's been killed. She's now a revenant, or something of the kind, mostly similar to the Mo family members right at the beginning of the series.
MDZS is choke-full of avenging spirits (like the red bride tormenting Wen Chao, only SHE wasn't in the novel at all, LOL), fierce corpses (like Wen Ning and Song Lan), all kinds of ghosts and ghouls and the like that never made it into the drama (because censorship of horror elements). Even the Measuring Snake didn't make it in, LOL (it's in the MDZS Q though, at least there's that :D) And from the ghoul beasts we only got the Wen Clan's owl/chicken/vulture :D
What the drama did was make everything uniform, so that there's not (too much) confusion over WHEN, WHO, WHAT, etc. Obviously they screwed up some timelines (particularly since they matched up all the flashbacks in the novel into one huge flashback, to talk about how we got to the present time) and merged storylines that didn't go together at all (as in, for example, Xue Yang never met WWX and LWJ before Yi City, and also he's the only one (along with A-Qing) who even ever MET XXC and Song Lan when they were alive. Everything about Yi City, except for the final resolution, happened while WWX was dead, and not even Chaos-Finder LWJ ever got to intersect paths with them.
As for WHY they look older (or younger) than they should, given their ages... In Chinese novels, kids as young as 3 are learning Taoism (obviously reading/writing already by then), 15-16 is the marriageable age for most of the youth (YanLi being almost 20 is an old maiden), young heroes are almost always around 16-17, people around 30 might be grandparents (not too often, but still), someone in their 60s is old and ready to die. That's why there's so much talk about cultivation - longer lives, looking young for much longer, and then there's immortality, which is the main goal of all cultivators...
Just finished ep 2 and can anybody explain what does code green mean here?
Green Code is reserved for owners pf the murthehelp. Everybody who wants to work with the shop needs to protect the owner's life. The only two Green Codes are JinMan and JiAn.
Episode 1 was a total failure, then 2-8 made up for it. It's not the greatest story but not the worst either.…
At least they didn't kill the dog. The episodic nature of the drama helped a bit, what with changing focus once in a while. The "main" villain was weak, the main "hero" was weaker (main villain was right that ML's attacks only worked when people weren't expecting them, LOL). So NF is probably fishing for a sequel with that ending scene, but IMHO it doesn't warrant one.
The detective was all over the place and the revelations about his father were the only interesting things about his life. Roh Bin's side of the story should've been the most impressive, but again - too little shown for it. He's not shown as a great hacker, but he regularly hacks police databases, and never goes to jail for it even when caught. He manages two separate killers and still he doesn't get his hands dirty directly. And then he takes all the glory for himself post-mortem because the drama needed that to happen in order to clear Lee Tang.
By the end of it, TBH, watching it became a bit of a chore, and it almost put me to sleep in the final episode, LOL. I did get through because it was short enough, but one more episode and I would've dropped it.
It's good enough for a teen revenge fantasy thing, but among those, it's not the best, or even in the running for the top ten.
PS And oh, that first sex scene is still completely unwarranted, put in there probably just to spice it up and keep teenagers interested. I pity both CWS and the actress who had to film that and know it was going to end up on screen. Embarassing for both at the least .
Episode 1 was a total failure, then 2-8 made up for it. It's not the greatest story but not the worst either. Just middle of the road, I guess. It made me think of Unbreakable, and it stayed so til the end.
3 
Totally worth it :D
Pasin is good with meds, she wasn't necessarily dead when he went to get her - though she was unconscious.
The thumb rule of dramas and movies is this though: eyes closed = mostly alive, good chance to resurrect later; eyes open = cold dead, long gone, so long and thanks for all the fish! (might come over for flashbacks).
I mean, even JinMan used the trope LOL, to fool JeongMin - he just laid there, eyes open, sooooo dead LOL. MinHye didn't have anyone to fool though, so I think she lives.
So far, only How Can I Be Late was released (song at the end of ep7): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St2EG9v3UMo
Can't wait to hear the rest of it :D
ETA: here it is!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St2EG9v3UMo&list=OLAK5uy_mo-7s2nE-Ezmrom2rE_fAqQ4dvahuCBNg
To make it short (as much as it can be done with such a complex history), the freaking CIA of the US has had its dirty fingers in so many pies all over the world, it's not even remotely funny. I mean, they undermined ANY kind of social democracies in the South and Latin America just based on the fear that "commies" are going to come too close to the US borders (oh and even before that, there's that "delicious" destruction of any political systems in Honduras that started because the freaking country wouldn't beg on its knees to some banana company to allow it to continue its existence! - and not once, but SEVEN times over, up tp the middle of the 20th century. That's just Honduras, though, they got involved in a lot of other South and Latin American small countries. Where did you think the term "banana republic" came from?!) And then there's the whole Iran Shah issue, which also involved American CIA and led to the present situation where freaking Iran is one of the worst theocracies around, just because BP wanted to keep its oil sources and make money, and the US decided they wanted an in, too. And there are so many other mishaps - people are a fighting and irrational species, we like war, but most wars happen and end on their own... not so when they're used for proxy fighting among world superpowers with vested interest in resources and power projection zones. I can't believe you seriously do think the US ONLY became involved in all its wars by accident, because they like to help and the like!
The US had a freaking red scare period that took WAY too long to even ammeliorate, and it's still going on at a level of irrational fear of anything sounding "social"-inclined, up to and including its own public health system. The whole period of the Cold War they DID start OR encouraged a lot of troubles everywhere they imagined Russians or Chinese were trying to influence into getting in their own zone of projected power (and maybe that was warranted, but the WAY they did go about it is atrocious. And no, the end doesn't justify the means, even if they were really, really scared the commies were coming to get them.)
The Korean War would've remained a regional war that would have been solved eventually if BOTH sides didn't ally themselves with whoever they could - the Chinese and Russians did provide support to the present NK, and the US and their allies supported SK. It was by all definitions a proxy war, except it did include American soldiers who, by all means, should not have even been there if it wasn't for the fear Americans already had of the USSR and China. And it may be presumed that they actually wanted to keep a foothold in Asia just to make sure nothing would come from there by surprise. That makes sense, in a way, but it doesn't actually excuse 3 million victims among Koreans on both sides of the lines (more than in the Vietman war), some of which SK executed directly just because they were suspected NK communists, completely destroyed cities and infrastructure, and created a completely messed up political system IN BOTH COUNTRIES. The NK got loaded with the Kim family of dictators, and SK was a military dictatorship, TOO, up til the beginning of the 1990s. That is 40 years of military dictatorship that was inflicted on them AFTER the armistice. And it was supported by the allies who had fought on their side or supported them in different ways.
There are no freaking angels in an inter-ethnic war, no matter who started it.
And leaving that aside - again, the discussion started with why does SK HAVE to make its young men go to mandatory army training - THIS IS WHY. The war has been going on for nigh on 74 years now, and it's only been put on the back burner, not concluded. And NK starved its population until it got its nuclear weapons, which means it's under a MAD shield right about now. But SK DOESN'T have it own MAD shield, it's under the US' shield, and the US has already proven it can elect actual idiots in its highest place of power, and keep supporting them - wildly cheering them on - as they promise to dismantle every promise the US has made to its allies.
SK men do NOT have the luxury of voluntary army, if it wants to have some chance of survival. If it's left on its own, you can bet NK will come knocking. And THEN we'll see what happens.
That is the whole problem, though - SOME of them CAN find means of evading mandatory miliary service, and it's definitely unfair for the rest of them. Getting rid of the mandatory military service is not on the table - the country is still, officially, at war! - but people do not take it well when someone even SEEMS to try to get out of it. If the freaking war resumes, those who didn't go would have to hide behind those who did go, and that's not acceptable. I can freaking understand their POV, and I'm not even Korean, or in Asia right now. It's not so hard to understand, the heck!
Wait, wrong drama LOL
But be warned this is an abusive love story, so there WILL be some push and pull of playing jealousy games, too, from both sides.
The Korean War is another proxy war between the communist nations and the US and its allies, just like the Vietnam war (or the 80s Afghanistan war). The war never ended, it stopped because both sides reached an armistice and that's the way it remained til today. It could start NOW, if the crazy dictator in the North decides so. In the border regions, they keep having incidents. NK deflectors keep risking their lives - and those of their families - to escape that hellhole. SK is treating it as the most dangerous and current threat to peace. And every once in a while, NK is "testing" yet another rocket or conducting nuclear tests. Seoul is but hours away from nuclear anihilation, if NK decides to go to hot war yet again. Maintaining a population trained for war, if it should happen, is extremely important to SK. They cannot risk relaxing. Would you, if a close neighbour country would have nuclear weapons and you were already in a tense situation with them? Even if their reasoning doesn't make sense to YOU, it won't stop them from attacking if they so decide. You HAVE to prepare. And SK does.
The problem with the system is that it's supposed to be uniform for all men between certain ages, and there are too many (of pretty specific socio-economic backgrounds) that never serve their mandatory military service, while the unprivileged never get exempt (unless some specific conditions, mainly health-related, are met). It's so serious to the regular people and they keep attacking those they see as flaunting or ignoring the rules exactly because it IS supposed to be the same for everybody, not just the poor or unconnected.
And then there's obviously the actual danger (soldiers do die in border skirmishes, from time to time), the abuse (plenty of stories about that), the boredom even (and it goes on and on for around 2 years, when you're basically stuck there, under some power-drunk superior, and life passes you by). I can totally understand their frustration. Can you?
And there are plenty of stories of abuse against soldiers in the regular troops, while most of the media stars usually get to go to the PR dep't or some such easier post (with some exceptions - some of them did go to the regular troops, by choice, I guess). There have already been great scandals of stars caught in fake exemptions from army service, some of them have been completely cancelled for it.
What I mean is, there IS some substance to South Koreans being mad about anyone trying to dodge or extend their career building instead of going to the army like everybody else who isn't privileged.
They did build him up. too.
When MyungHa was thrown in the alternate world, YeoWoon instead got involved with him... and also became totally in love, head-over-heels, with him. His one-sided devotion was one of the things that MyungHa felt compassion for him over.
A-Qing DIED almost immediately after she got to Yi City (Xue Yang stayed with them for about half a year, until he made XXC kill most of the people in the city.) So no more getting older for her after that. Sorry it's not immediately obvious she's been killed. She's now a revenant, or something of the kind, mostly similar to the Mo family members right at the beginning of the series.
MDZS is choke-full of avenging spirits (like the red bride tormenting Wen Chao, only SHE wasn't in the novel at all, LOL), fierce corpses (like Wen Ning and Song Lan), all kinds of ghosts and ghouls and the like that never made it into the drama (because censorship of horror elements). Even the Measuring Snake didn't make it in, LOL (it's in the MDZS Q though, at least there's that :D) And from the ghoul beasts we only got the Wen Clan's owl/chicken/vulture :D
What the drama did was make everything uniform, so that there's not (too much) confusion over WHEN, WHO, WHAT, etc. Obviously they screwed up some timelines (particularly since they matched up all the flashbacks in the novel into one huge flashback, to talk about how we got to the present time) and merged storylines that didn't go together at all (as in, for example, Xue Yang never met WWX and LWJ before Yi City, and also he's the only one (along with A-Qing) who even ever MET XXC and Song Lan when they were alive. Everything about Yi City, except for the final resolution, happened while WWX was dead, and not even Chaos-Finder LWJ ever got to intersect paths with them.
As for WHY they look older (or younger) than they should, given their ages... In Chinese novels, kids as young as 3 are learning Taoism (obviously reading/writing already by then), 15-16 is the marriageable age for most of the youth (YanLi being almost 20 is an old maiden), young heroes are almost always around 16-17, people around 30 might be grandparents (not too often, but still), someone in their 60s is old and ready to die. That's why there's so much talk about cultivation - longer lives, looking young for much longer, and then there's immortality, which is the main goal of all cultivators...
The detective was all over the place and the revelations about his father were the only interesting things about his life. Roh Bin's side of the story should've been the most impressive, but again - too little shown for it. He's not shown as a great hacker, but he regularly hacks police databases, and never goes to jail for it even when caught. He manages two separate killers and still he doesn't get his hands dirty directly. And then he takes all the glory for himself post-mortem because the drama needed that to happen in order to clear Lee Tang.
By the end of it, TBH, watching it became a bit of a chore, and it almost put me to sleep in the final episode, LOL. I did get through because it was short enough, but one more episode and I would've dropped it.
It's good enough for a teen revenge fantasy thing, but among those, it's not the best, or even in the running for the top ten.
PS And oh, that first sex scene is still completely unwarranted, put in there probably just to spice it up and keep teenagers interested. I pity both CWS and the actress who had to film that and know it was going to end up on screen. Embarassing for both at the least .