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EDITED: I still don't think it justifies Gene taking his own stuff out directly on Sib, in one vicious stab, like he did. It provides insight into motivation but it doesn't excuse the act, itself.

I would have said that I also really appreciated the point where Gene said he wanted to explore more character development in his new novel but Bua was all about it being "entertaining" and having steamy sex scenes. Sadly, I'm beginning to think that it may have been plucked from the book and it went over the heads of the people making the show, itself.

I can think of a great many series that I would show to friends or encourage them to watch, other than this. Honestly, at best, most of them would think it was juvenile. At worst, they'd find it offensive for the tropes it employs and doesn't parody..

I was OK with Gene until this episode was over. Now... *shrug* I'll watch next week and see if I continue. Based on the teaser scenes, I feel I'll likely be able to get a clear enough picture, one way or the other.

In Canada, some places have unisex fitting rooms. You just don't come out of your cubby undressed.

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Yes, that's how I feel about what Gene did. Thank you for citing those factors. I should have had those in my original post.

When I'm talking about this, I'm not just talking about Ji Soo, in particular. I'm trying to illustrative the bigger picture and ramifications involved with the kinds of instances I mentioned.

For example, if we didn't as a society, send a clear message that those acts of violence will have serious consequences society would be less stable because we would be sanctioning a dog-eat-dog environment.

When you say that I'm talking about being in their thoughts, just consider that I had years of study and many more years of experience working with all sorts of individuals. After time, yes, a person does get see that certain actions are indicative of certain mindsets.

That's one of the ways that diagnoses are made and worked with. I wouldn't make statements like that or any of the others if I didn't have years of actual study and first hand knowledge of working with both individuals who commit crimes involving violence and victims. This is a serious issue and it would be grossly irresponsible if I was just making stuff up or speculating because I've seen some medical and procedural dramas.

I understand that you're trying to be impartial. I'm sharing my own perspective as to why I'm not as impartial. I'm not trying to say that I "know" he's guilty of everything he's accused of. I'm illustrating to you what goes into the process of me forming my opinion and to say that by only refuting the sexual violence, specifically, he did not challenge the "school violence" accusations levied: which include beating people: Assault. Again, I think his advisors would have had hime specifically refute that part, as well.

As to him making amends we don't know of before this went public, all I can say is that he would have been encouraged to make that public knowledge by his legal counsel. It would have helped public perception.

I get what you're saying about social media. In our instance, you and I are having this dialogue on a site that I think is unlikely for Ji Soo to visit. If there is any kind of team scouring social media, it'll be largely focused on Korean language activity.

It's one thing for people on this board, for example, to discuss their opinions but it would be another, entirely, for members to think that they had the right to start going onto Ji Soo's twitter and Instagram and launching DDoS attacks or anything to directly harass him. I know I don't have the right to do that and, where I live, a case could be made for charging those that do if a complaint were filed that had legal recognition in my jurisdiction.

Plus, it's just unethical. That's the line that would be crossed that would make someone a hypocrite for bullying the bully.

Now, I really need to quote this portion: "I don't think a lot of people would do that, and honestly would you do that? Would you remember a time like that? If/since he was a bully he most likely didn't have such an impact on these events. After a while (because he wasn't the victim) he would naturally forget and if he didn't forget he would be busy this point in his life and wouldn't go through connection to "

I'm not trying to drag you, but I'd like to ask you to read that over again and give it a lot of thought. Then come back and let me know if you can see any potential problems with that line of reasoning.

Until next time. =)

It's not a slight to you, Jessica. I just didn't like a number of the aspects of it. I thought, though, that there were lots of people who loved it.

All I can say is that my heart truly goes out to all the people who must suffer, then. That's terrible...

(I'm referring to the lack of understanding short of physical bruises and such)

And, with all due respect, I *hope* that you were able to apologise for it. In my life, in general, I follow a maxim (that isn't particularly uncommon) that I have no right to take my stuff out directly on others on any particular subject. Anytime I've caught myself doing that, I've been very quick to apologise. How you approach those kinds of things, though, is ultimately up to you.

If you had an outburst at someone like Gene did in that final scene, I would hope that you later followed up and apologised to them. It isn't defensible, in my books. As for the way in which people come out, in real life, I don't judge that process. I'm 53 and I came out at 16 back in 1983. That's just to emphasise that I've been around for awhile and have friends and loved ones who've come out at various times and in various ways. People come out in their own way and time. I have no problem with looking at a show, though, and expressing that examples of internalised homophobia aren't cool. Hesitation and uncertainty are understandable, but not that stuff.

Yeah, I thought it was silly.

Yep, but I totally loved it!

What I also enjoy is that, while the characters are taking some healthy time to develop their feeling is that neither of them are actually resisting them or displaying the interalised homophobia that has totally ruined shows for me before.

For me, it ties with Manner of Death. I love both of them but for different reasons.

I wouldn't watch it if they did that.

I'm writing my impressions as I watch the episode...

They're getting in some got in so good little critiques, especially when they weren't overplayed and/or over-scored. (The bits about product placement and the influence the PR person or producer has on set are examples.) The actual kissing-scene-that-wasn't was overdone with all the cut aways and accompaniment. I dislike that sort of thing because I feel that I'm being told "big funny coming, big funny, get ready, are you ready, just a second more, ready, ready, ready you sure, ok, ok, here it comes, and....... laugh now!"It kills the humour for me because they dragged it out for too long.

I still don't need the sound effects in general but the director has supposedly gotten feedback on Twitter about them on that (clearly people who find them overused are not just a few random cranks) and is considering scaling them back for the episodes to come. I'd like that.

Hin is like the Second Coming of Techno from TT. People might think I'm humourless but I'm not. I can enjoy a comedic foil like Hin, but, again, all the cutaways when he was typing weren't necessary. Aey's solo scene played out well. So did the scene where Sib is trying to comfort Gene, while he's sleeping... if maybe drawn out a tiny bit too long.

Gene's nightmare sequence is one of the rare moments where all those sound effects, camera angles, music and lighting actually worked. It served a purpose. The commentary on the overemphasis on "entertainment" and the need to cram in as much NC17 as possible was also appreciated.

"Should I be happy that a guy complimented me?" That kind of stuff bugs the f@[k out of me! Crap like that and "I don't like men, I just like him" are among the most offensive aspects of the BL industry for me, as a gay man. I'm angry that they played this totally tone-deaf homophobic trope card. I dropped SOTUS for it (which they later parody while using it's biggest offence as part of the actual script) Gene's being uncomfortable "practicing" positions might be a little more reasonable but the other line was bullshit.

The last scene was another display of internalised homophobia that nearly made me erase all of this, drop the show, and score it a big fat zero!.The only reason I didn't was that they look like they might address it next episode. That was not cool in any manner, shape, or form and the show's on thin ice with me. Gene's going to have to apologise to Sib for that garbage. As for the gathering with his friends. I'll be hoping for Gene to admit he's gay while still sober, or at least not go ballistic, again. They also better not play the drunken sex card...

I hear what you're saying. The case you mentioned sounds like an awful instance of a mob thinking they had the right to target the mother and man on their own and is an injustice, in itself. That's wrong. It's one thing for people on this board, for example, to discuss their opinions but it would be another, entirely, for members to think that they had the right to start going onto Ji Soo's media and start actively harassing him. I know I don't have the right to do that and , it would be a form of vigilantism, if I did. (Illegal in my country, as well.)

If what you report happened in my country, she would have been charged for what she did, and I have no problem with saying, here, that I hope she would be prosecuted. The people contacting the mother or him directly could have been charged with harassment and/or uttering threats and I'd support that. Again, though, I know I wouldn't have the right to go after them, myself. That discernment is critical.

Expressing opinion here is not tantamount to taking direct action at the person. That's called, in Rhetoric, a false equivalency.

Agreed. There are a lot of BLs that I haven't watched because they seem to lack originality. I started my BL journey with university set shows with shows like Dark Blue Kiss and it's predecessors, and the Together With Me Shows.

Those set the standard for me and most other ones just don't do it for me, with some notable exceptions. (But those exceptions actually proceeded the shows I just mentioned: like Grey Rainbow and The Effect) I don't really need to see anymore Uni based shows unless they have something fresh to bring to the table.

I need some veneer of substance to enjoy a series. I tend to prefer dramas to comedies and the ones that get lauded for how 'cute' everything is about them bore me stupid.

There are so many ways the BL genre could expand, and I hope that the successes of MoD and AToTS will lead to more