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I pretty much agree with everything you wrote, but most of it is self-evident. And I'm not sure why you wrote it to me, as I did not state or imply that human beauty is "confined to" Asians.

I wrote, specifically: "...Asian people in their natural state are to me, the most beautiful race in the world..." See those two words, "to me" there? That means what I am writing represents MY opinion and is not intended to represent the opinion of anyone else.

As for Asians, especially Koreans, seeking through plastic surgery and hairstyles to look more Western, please just google it.

ugh. I'm sick of the meek, shy, wounded bird, female J-drama character.

Wow, after two episodes, the biggest takeaway from this show is that it is amazingly boring.

I'm weary of female, Japanese drama characters who crush on someone and then act like meek, wounded, little birds in their presence, shrinking away from them and saying "...hmmm" a lot. This character type is such an extreme cliche and it too is boring.

Oh well, not ready to drop yet. Maybe something will happen in episode 3.

I'm universally gay also. Even on Pluto.

btw, are you Gay only in My Area or in other areas as well? :)

Oh...sorry, I thought I was replying to you in the comment above. It doesn't matter, I stand by what I wrote.

"but in the context of this story, "groping and riding" wouldn't align with the couple's emotional development. shunya (hiro) has only recently become aware of his feelings for kota (kai)"

Then why did Hiro consent to a hand job in the very first episode? Men don't need any "emotional development" at all to enjoy good sex. But seems to me the hand job in the first episode, and then no sex at all afterward is, more than anything, just bad writing.

Hiro never said "ok, that happened, but I don't want to do it anymore," or "I'm not really comfortable with that, even though it felt incredibly terrific and I came quickly, as you pointed out," the topic of sex was just never broached again, which is odd.

I repeat: How is it that a couple whose"...deep care and support for one another resembled that of an engaged couple, well beyond the initial stages of a relationship..." is sleeping separately and not having sex? Men of their age LOVE sex, four times a day if possible. To pretend there's no sexual urge between them is silly.

You contradict yourself.

I can't say how much the platinum blond look figures into this, but what's really sad is the lengths a lot of Asian people of both sexes go to to make themselves feel as if they look more Western than their natural look. Especially in Korea, plastic surgery in the form of nose jobs and the creation of "double eyelids" has become extremely common, as performers and the public alike strive to look "European."

What's even extra sad is there is NO surgery on Earth that is going to make them completely free of their natural, Asian looks.

And what's even sadder than that is that Asian people in their natural state are to me, the most beautiful race in the world. Korean men especially, slay me in a way that no Western dude can ever do. I didn't even know this about myself until three and a half years ago, when I suddenly discovered the universe of BL and Asian gay/mainstream cinema.. :)

You said: "Plus, I think the kiss scene was quite fitting for their relationship. Kai has confessed but he's hiding behind a joking aura, and Hiro likes Kai's company but isn't sure if he wants to be romantically involved with him. It would be out of character for them to suddenly have a strong sexual moment where they're groping and riding eachother."

You also said: " living together as if they were already engaged."

So which is it? Are they hiding their feelings and unsure if they want to be romantically involved, or are they acting like an engaged couple?

Most people who get engaged are past hiding their feelings, and being engaged is a good sign they want to be romantically involved. Also, most if not all, engaged people are "groping and riding each other." Why are you afraid of sex?
lol

Your entire comment is a "delusion" and fish kiss-wise, you're already dead. On that hill you mentioned.

Precisely! This is what's wrong with the writing of MANY BLs. Because the makers are afraid of cultural disapproval, they play down the sexual angle, which is often prevalent in the original source material.

The MDL Little Girls here often scream and screech "if you want non-stop fucking, go to a porn site!!!" They seem incapable of grasping that there are a lot of possible way stations along the way between no sex and unrealistically frigid young male characters, and full-on, close-up scenes of genitalia and penetration, complete with cum shots.

Actually, the hand job scene in the first episode is a great example of this. It was made completely, hilariously clear what was going on, and the scene cut long before the coming cum shot, but we knew, plot-wise, that there had been a hand job, which is what was both titillating and funny.

The weird thing is how there has been NOTHING along those lines since, and no explanation of why there hasn't been, which could be another way to go. SEX, or even the implication of sex, scares a lot of people here.

I agree with you about the writers making Soga not only plain-looking, but boring and dull as a person. I've been attracted to guys who are less than gorgeous because of their personalities/sense of humor/etc. But Soga is a loser in all departments. :)

Funny you mention the hairstyles, I got so curious about those awful, modified bowl cuts we see so often in Asian film/dramas, even on grown men, that I googled it and read up on the origin and persistence of the style to learn what the hell was going on. A lot of hits came up and many were a fun read. Turns out a LOT of Asian men regard bowl cuts as ridiculous and unflattering but wear them anyway, because the cultural pressure to do so is so strong. lol

Even among Korean and Japanese students in the U.S., who mock the bowl cut, many wear it anyway. :)

Mizuki's hair was driving me crazy because the bangs are so long, down below his eyebrows, that he is actually looking THROUGH them to see the world. You see that frequently in Asia too. ugh Also, while platinum hair can be striking on an Asian man, I have yet to see one who didn't look much, much more handsome with his natural, black hair. The reddish, hennae rinse is also a big deal in Asia. I suppose they get bored with having the same color hair as every other damn person around them.

I wrote: "Don't ever expect a live-action adaptation of ANYTHING to be an exact copy..."

You wrote: "So yes, I will expect them to follow the source material for some degree at least."

See the words "...an exact copy...?"
"...an exact copy" is different from "...following the source material for some degree at least," which is why I wrote "...an exact copy." and NOT "following the source material for some degree at least."

If the adapters didn't follow the source material AT ALL, then what they wrote would not be an "adaptation" at all.

It's strange how many people on MDL respond to stuff they make up in their heads, then pretend someone wrote it in a comment.

What are you "sorry" about?
"So yes, it's possible!"
Did I say it wasn't possible?
I said "don't ever expect" it.

Perfect Propose has become a dull office drama, so maybe the Manga-as-screenplay thing wasn't such a great idea.

It's strange how many people on MDL respond to stuff they make up in their heads, then pretend someone wrote it in a comment.

Boring. After an initial, exciting, well-done action beginning, this has devolved into a lot of people having clandestine meetings at night in scenic locations overlooking Seoul, during which they talk, and talk, and talk...oh, and there is of course, a sick relative in the hospital, whose loved ones is doing bad things to pay the medical bills. Original!

Dropping half-way.

4/10

TOTALLY agree about the hand job. lol I wrote in my comment above pretty much the same thing. We started with a hot hand job, but ever since they've been sleeping separately. An actual gay dude in that situation would want another hand job as soon as he came home from work every day. Then a blow job, then a...

Well-said!

Bravo!

I'm gay af and this show is boring. The term is "Boys LOVE," not Boys doing boring things that have little to do with romance or sex. I'm male and I get mentally wet too. There is nothing wrong with getting wet, that's what our privates are supposed to do.

Were you molested as a child? Why do you hate sex? As they say on the Intertrons, "who hurt you?"

It's hilarious that you describe this show as though it's some high production value feature film about a gay couple dealing with the brutal Japanese work culture and pretty food.

It's also hilarious that you think these guys have a "relationship" that is anything near being a couple. They rarely hug or kiss, even at home, and they're still sleeping separately. It's unrealistic and abnormal. The only place such a dumb setup would be tolerated is in the BL universe, where people like you are still content to lick whatever crumbs they're tossed from the straight people seated at the table.

I love this comment! You are spot-on, JG, and as usual said it all with more flair than I can muster after an episode of this show.

Why can't it be a combination of the extreme you describe? It's possible for Kai to help Hiro work-wise, and for them to "kiss and fuck" too. Typical MDL prude.

You two are an excellent example of standards-free BL watchers who simply project onto the screen whatever they want to see there. The fish was motionless and bereft of passion. They've been living together for weeks but sleep separately and have never truly made out or had sex. This isn't how normal people consumed with the chemistry you imagine is there, act.