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@bakaao
Interesting points as well. I can see how one would see K/K's first "encounter" that way....Korn probably was hornier than Knock...Lol But, in an drunken state, inhibitions are "softened" and resistance is "futile," (to coin a phrase from from one of my all time series, (Star Trek, the Next Generation -- Borg episodes). Also, in that same Ep. 1, remember, Korn wanted Knock to have "another drink" just before he moved in "for the kill." And, then of course the next day, you have Knock very upset at what he himself said about what Korn had done to him (basically accusing him of sexual assault, without actually accusing him). This kind of reaction is more typical of when you "don"t" want something to happen vs. wanting something to happen. Knock was obviously not happy with what happened the previous night, indicating to us the viewers, that either he didn't want "It" too happen, or he that he was feeling "confused," ashamed, or even possibly embarassed, and simply reacted. As viewers, we'll never actually know. However, was no indication that he consented to sex, especially given the next morning's reaction. But, I hear what you're saying and I guess I basically agree with it. LOL

P.S. I will miss these discussions and posts. TWMNC had generated some great discussions!!!!!

Thank you, Synchronicity...your points were great as well!

Synchronicity, I also see your point. The issues you noted are real and in the LGBTQ+ community quite a bit. And, maybe the writers did try to bring some of those important issues out. If that was so, kudos to them.

But, another point that I think is important, especially in BL dramas, is the issue of rape and sexual assault, and how it is glamorized as if it's a normal appropriate way for people to behave. The series portrayed Korn as an "innocent" individual, who simply made a mistake and should be forgiven. I have no problem with that. Forgiveness is a worthy trait all should subscribe to be able to provide. But, least we not forget, in TWM the series, Korn "took advantage" of Knock in a drunken state (review Ep. 1 for yourself). Knock did not ask nor encourage Korn to have sex with him. And, even if Knock was having identity issues related to his self discovery, Korn had absolutely NO right to take advantage of him, someone "he was suppose to care about." Then, boom, Korn and Knock start to fall in love.... Hmmm.... I wonder what would've happened with their relationship had Korn simply gone to sleep (instead of doing what he did)?

Now, unfortunately, I know that getting someone drunk so you can have sex with them is still a fairly common practice, even today. However, unlike previous generations, this kind of behavior is NOW a crime in many cultures, and I hope in Thai culture as well. Back to Korn and Knock. All I'm saying is this, if Korn really loved Knock, why get him drunk just to have sex with him? Where is the morality? It doesn't seem to be in the BL novels, and certainly not in the BL dramas.

@Althalus
Lmao! I agree with you all of the way!

All I can really say is that I'm glad this is over. Although, I did enjoy the rollercoaster ride, and the input from the fans. But, I think this series was just a little to predictable, silly, unrealistic, and anti-climatic. But, somehow, I believe that it was intended to be this way -- otherwise, we who watched it wouldn't have enjoyed complaining, commenting, and "ragging" the series as much as we did. I'm not sure, but, I believe the post responses have been very high for this series, probably making it one of the top response rates of all the BL series that I've seen. If this is what the writers and director intended, GREAT JOB!

I agree...lol I'm can't wait to see Pete get his... But, I'd also like to see Knock teach Korn a little lesson, too. Just a little something to make sure Korn had truly learned his lesson...LOL

What are we going to do once this series is over??????????? OMG! I'm not sure I'll be glad or sad? -- Glad that this train wreck is finally put to rest; or Sad that I won't possibly be able to see and participate in these WONDERFUL posts anymore!!!!

Actually, this was the one episode I could've waited on. I thought it was anti-climatic, since we all kind of had some idea how it was going to go -- no surprises here. It would've been nice if the writers had thrown a little "curve ball" at the fans to shake things up. This episode was so not worth our week's wait.

Now that I've seen the official reunification of Knock and Korn, I'm sooooo totally bored and unconcerned with their story. The same old trope in their getting back together, as seen in many BL dramas. I just hope their scheme to get back at Pete makes the last episode somewhat worth this "12-car pile up" and "train wreck" we've endured for about the last 6-7 episodes....

P.S.S. I forgot to tell you -- I agree with you that the comments are "off the chain." But, I haven't been this entertained in a long time! THANKS TO ALL THE POSTERS!!! YOU'RE GREAT!

P.S. I still think the show is a "12-car pile up"!!! And, I can't wait til Ep. 12!!! Lmao

Interesting summations! Lmao! Actually, I, too want a happy ending between Knock and Korn. I just don't want to see the traditional tropes -- cheat, lie, forgive, cheat, lie, forgive...Yada, Yada, Yada... Would it be such a crime to allow Knock/Korn's getting back together go through a more realistic progression, such as them talking things out, and agreeing to work through things leading to getting back together (and not just get back together)???? In other words, add a little class to this BL drama!! LOL

I agree also. Your point is very valid.

lmao!!!

Okay. I just watched Ep. 7 again. In that scene, Korn was seriously flirting with Pete just before they started drinking the infamous "mistake causing " wine. It appeared Korn knew exactly what he was doing, and there was NO mistake (except not stopping himself). Korn was even saying how he envied Pete's boyfriend and complimenting Pete. That's not the type of conversation you have with your boss, in his apartment. Then, the next morning, Korn asks Pete not to tell Knock, obviously in an attempt to be deceptive, indicating he wasn't so intoxicated that he didn't know what he was doing. I now clearly stand by my original agreement that this series is a "train wreck" or more appropriately a "12-car pile up on an icy road." The writers have all of us fans by the you know whats.....LOL

Now, I would agree with your statement....let Knock and Korn "work" through getting back together vs just being thrown back together. Even though it's a BL drama, the writers still can show a little class, and add in a little realism.

Lmao!!!!

I, too, want to see the storyline in this "telenovela" come to some conclusion. And, you're totally right about infidelity and blind forgiveness in USA dramas. No doubt. However, fans in the US occasionally want to see the characters in their dramas "get what's coming to them," when they do "bad" things, and the writers and producers will accommodate them. Now, as for the Knock/Korn vs Yihwa/Cho storyline, I agree with you that no two relationships are the same, and I agree with you about Yihwa. However, I agree with SugaVirus about Knock/Korn. Korn's cheating on Knock was one hurtful thing, THEN, he made an even larger mistake by lying about it, trying to cover it up, and allowing Knock to find out from someone other than him. It's not always just about the infidelity, it's often also about destruction of TRUST. But, again, it's a BL drama. We shouldn't expect any quality to the storyline, just entertainment....LOL LOL

I, too, like your perspective. I did not really think about the gender issue, which is very apparent in many BL dramas. Hmmmm!

I agree with your synopsis of Korn's accident and the Bright, Rit, Farm scenario. The jury is still out on the Cho scenario. His character seems to be nice, but weak. He'll come to Korn's defense at work. But, that's it. He won't face Pete, he won't be straight with Yihwa, and he doesn't seem to stand-up for the right ideals. At times, he's like an educated version of Farm...LOL...Now, as for Knock and Korn -- that ship has already sailed....they're getting back together and Korn got away with lying and cheating, without ANY consequences...a true BL drama ending.