Wha~ thank you so much for reading my messy long review. I didn't think anyone would read it before I finish all…
Ya, I am also not a fan of "we'll show you something, but the character is just imagining it, but we aren't saying that", or what Mouse does non stop, "here is something dramatic as a cliffhanger but it doesn't actually happen" – like when the male lead "kills" the second male lead, except he hits his own hand with a stone to avoid doing so (lol). Maybe it's just makjang filmmaking ^_^.
As a side note, IMO this is less of a culprit-hunt than Tunnel, Train, Beyond Evil, etc. To me the mystery here is more like in the same writer's Black, that it's about the entire sequence of events rather than discovering an individual identity, and also not about the quest to catch a particular bad guy.
Father Ko was threatened with the life of Han Kook, the abducted boy, and additionally had no interest in perpetuating…
Yes, that's a common trope. In every superhero show, the villain threatens to kill any specific person if he is stopped, so that the hero is "forced"... to effectively let the villain kill ten more people.
Btw, along the biblical terms of the show, one could say it was a necessary step to "save the ML's soul".
I wrote about Beyond Evil that "The plot is full of coincidences, people arriving in exactly the right moment,…
I wish in one of the last ~4 episodes there would have been a focus on having Jung Ba Reum explain everything to Ko Moo Chi and Oh Bong Yi himself, in the presence of Choi Hong Joo as the person behind most of the events of the last two thirds of the show. Telling your friends what you did when you were a different person, I suppose. Revealing it on TV seemed rather impersonal and put the focus on the OZ conspiracy too much.
Then again, K-drama etiquette in general seems to outlaw a murderous ML becoming an accepted 'good' character with a happy end.
I wrote about Beyond Evil that "The plot is full of coincidences, people arriving in exactly the right moment, and 'small world' relations to a degree that you'd think Munju is the secret second capital of South Korea. This may be seen as standard K-drama fare, in the sense that if you don't mind the protagonists in another drama forming a bond for life in a chance meeting when they're five years old that somehow destines them to fall in love 25 years later, it likely won't annoy you here."
After finishing Mouse, I spent more than 10h just thinking and re-watching different parts to look for matching details or clear up some specific questions I had. Drama life = hard life. ^_^
Yo-Han has a collage of Ba-Reum photos in his basement, is that what you mean?
Sung Yo Han takes pictures of Jung Ba Reum himself (1:02:13 into Ep18); maybe some are included in the picture stash that his only friend Kim Joon Seong gets by hacking into OZ servers (at his workplace). It's not clear because an hour into episode 18 you only see them assemble the collages of JBR's killings and not JBR & his home, and shortly afterwards you see him take one picture of JBR and then have the entire collage ready at 1:02:16.
I understand that most of you liked this show... but I'm looking for comments on the negatives you found, if any.…
An absurd amount of coincidences and childhood meetings. An unnecessary focus on political/conspiracy stuff. A lack of resolved feelings between the "antihero" and his sometimes-friends. A lot of cheap tricks used by the filmmakers, usually as the end of episode cliffhanger.
"But what happend in the end? He murdered his own Father! Patricide is unjustifiable, even if the father is a monster." & "Just after they made him more humane. They removed that completely at the end. By making him commiting a even more heinous crime." Isn't that just like, uh, your opinion? You state it like a universal fact. Killing innocent and pure people seems much more villainous (to me) than killing an evil father he never met and definitely wasn't raised by.
"And then his father will live till old age regretting what he put his son through or even be handed the death sentence afterwards." Without emotions, he's not capable of regret, outside of a selfish context.
One thing I didn't understand is why Ko Moo-won did not yell Jung Ba Reum's name directly during the live show…
Father Ko was threatened with the life of Han Kook, the abducted boy, and additionally had no interest in perpetuating the cycle of wrath and vengeance.
Euhm since when does the media care about morals? Views means money, so they do everything to attract viewers.…
"I will give you an example of another famous drama. In that drama the media fueled the anger of the people against the main suspect of the murder of someone very famous in Korea." What's that one?
And yes, for https://mydramalist.com/discussions/mouse/81465-spoilers-nonsense-or-really-far-fetched-coincidences and https://mydramalist.com/discussions/mouse/81469-spoilers-open-questions-unresolved-matters I had to spend 5–10 hours rewatching and making sure it's logically consistent and I'm not missing things, and yet I also (irresponsibly :P) didn't go the extra mile of providing full citations of episode and timestamp for everything.
As a side note, IMO this is less of a culprit-hunt than Tunnel, Train, Beyond Evil, etc. To me the mystery here is more like in the same writer's Black, that it's about the entire sequence of events rather than discovering an individual identity, and also not about the quest to catch a particular bad guy.
Btw, along the biblical terms of the show, one could say it was a necessary step to "save the ML's soul".
Revealing it on TV seemed rather impersonal and put the focus on the OZ conspiracy too much.
Then again, K-drama etiquette in general seems to outlaw a murderous ML becoming an accepted 'good' character with a happy end.
For me this is just as over the top here, or maybe even more so: https://mydramalist.com/discussions/mouse/81465-spoilers-nonsense-or-really-far-fetched-coincidences (warning: full spoilers!)
There's also some things I think were unanswered: https://mydramalist.com/discussions/mouse/81469-spoilers-open-questions-unresolved-matters (again warning: full spoilers!)
After finishing Mouse, I spent more than 10h just thinking and re-watching different parts to look for matching details or clear up some specific questions I had.
Drama life = hard life. ^_^
However, if you tell me, I can move it up in priority and hopefully forget by the time I actually watch it :D
An unnecessary focus on political/conspiracy stuff.
A lack of resolved feelings between the "antihero" and his sometimes-friends.
A lot of cheap tricks used by the filmmakers, usually as the end of episode cliffhanger.
Patricide is unjustifiable, even if the father is a monster."
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"Just after they made him more humane. They removed that completely at the end. By making him commiting a even more heinous crime."
Isn't that just like, uh, your opinion? You state it like a universal fact.
Killing innocent and pure people seems much more villainous (to me) than killing an evil father he never met and definitely wasn't raised by.
"And then his father will live till old age regretting what he put his son through or even be handed the death sentence afterwards."
Without emotions, he's not capable of regret, outside of a selfish context.
- don't use any social media
- don't read the cast list right before watching something
What's that one?