idk about y'all but I feel like I'm the only one who thinks the fl is quite annoying
That's where her growth starts I guess.
In Episode 1, she was on an ego trip & was fine to use anyone and anything to get to the top. Those slaps to that poor chap at the end is basically her hitting the bottom. Would have liked the guy punch her in the face after the second slap so that her redemption arc begins.
So she supposed to read his mind to know he is annoyed by her reading the letters! He never told her he is annoyed…
Whether the mic was or not would not have any difference if she did not read the love letter.
instead of love letter, if she was having normal talk with the ML, she would not have gotten into trouble even in mic was on.
The problem is closing our eyes to the obvious physical and psychological abuse ML was put through by the FL for something he had ZERO fault. The drama made him repeatedly say sorry.
Was he at fault - no, never, not from any angle. Was Fl at fault - yes, for reading love letter he did not ask her to read. The accident like you keep repeating is not something FL acknowledges ever. Even at episode 8 she behaves as of ML was the one at fault and the simp keeps saying sorry.
Does the drama make the FL realize ML was NEVER at fault? NO, it does not and there in lies the problem with this drama.
So she supposed to read his mind to know he is annoyed by her reading the letters! He never told her he is annoyed…
Her reading the love letter was not an accident. The mic was an accident.
Whether the mic was on or not would not have mattered if she did not read the love letter. That's the core reason why she got into trouble, not because the mic was on but because she read love letter and got caught.
The drama then goes on in such a way that everyone thinks it's ML's fault. She hits him, mistreats him and abuses him. Worse the ML lets her do it when he clearly should know it is none of his fault.
The drama at some point should have made the FL realize she was at fault and make up to the ML. instead, we get the same bullShit that the ML was at fault repeatedly and he keeps saying sorry. I have watched few more episodes and this is a recurring theme, he keeps saying sorry and the FL never realizes she is the one who should be saying sorry.
This drama is a shitfest with couple of morons simping for an arrogant and entitled girl. She does not deserve the ML and I can easily see how toxic it would be for the ML if they ever got together. She would basically screw him as she has been doing all her life.
The love story was confusing as hell for me too.For first few episodes, I thought the ML was gay.They had a montage…
I understand what the writer is trying to convey in this drama but it's unnatural and that's not how men think. It basically goes against the most fundamental aspect of human growth - puberty.
Imagine watching dramas after dramas where the Female Lead, who is near 30, incredibly beautiful, successful, rich and straight orientation....never looks at guys, never been attracted to any guy in her life because she want's some one who is as good as her in physics or has some trauma..etc etc. That would be unrealistic portrayal. Hence why you don't see these kinds of FL in Cdramas, because the women who are writing these dramas know that's not how women are & they know very well what happens once a girl hits puberty.
The POV of women are obviously fleshed out with their feelings shown in Cdramas. There would be no such thing happening in Cdramas, including this one because the writer obviously has no idea how to go about it.
The 'REASON' for a man in late twenties never having had a crush in his life is at a whole different level of fakery.
The dramas was very good but the ML was pretty much a fake, like every other Cdrama ML. But I think I understand why the ML's are written this way in Cdramas. It looks like that's what the viewers want for the FL, a pure and unspoiled man. While I can't relate to that, I am certainly starting to understand how this forms a huge part in a Cdramas success & it is starting to make sense why the 2FL in Cdrama is usually a bitch who is hard to like.
So she supposed to read his mind to know he is annoyed by her reading the letters! He never told her he is annoyed…
It's not his problem that she is dumb and cannot see the obvious.
Besides, that's not the core of the issue. Her being asked to move to different schools is a direct result of her reading the love letter. No one asked her to read it. She read it on her own free will. Any consequence afterwards is only hers to bear and not anyone else, much less the ML.
The other facts around the incident can be thrown out. The core fault of the incident is the sole responsibility of the FL.
I have watched few more episodes and the drama never makes the FL realize her mistake. The ML is turning into a bugger wimpy simp. He is probably the biggest simp next to the ML in Eternal Love. Looking at him makes it hard to see why any girl would like him. He is love child of a door mat and a dog.
So she supposed to read his mind to know he is annoyed by her reading the letters! He never told her he is annoyed…
It's not his problem that she is dumb and cannot see the obvious.
Besides, that's not the core of the issue. Her being asked to move to different schools is a direct result of her reading the love letter. No one asked her to read it. She read it on her own free will. Any consequence afterwards is only hers to bear and not anyone else, much less the ML.
The other facts around the incident can be thrown out. The core fault of the incident is the sole responsibility of the FL.
I have watched few more episodes and the drama never makes the FL realize her mistake. The ML is turning into a bugger wimpy simp. He is probably the biggest simp next to the ML in Eternal Love. Looking at him makes it hard to see why any girl would like him. He is love child of a door mat and a dog.
The love story was confusing as hell for me too.For first few episodes, I thought the ML was gay.They had a montage…
Point 1 - I was not talking about sex at all
Point 2 - I was not even talking about dating
Please remember these two points in this discussion. I am tired of repeating what I am trying to convey and misunderstood.
What I am talking about is the ML never having any feelings for any girl until he meets the FL. This is the most common scenario in Cdramas.
The FL is shown to have crushed on, attracted to other men in Cdramas and in quite few of the dramas, she dates other guys. She has nice, cute, intimate moments with other men, like normal girls have.
The ML on the other hand is never attracted to any girls other than FL. The ML is very rarely shown to have ever dated other girls. The ML is absolutely never ever shown to have cute and romantic moments with any other girl than the FL.
These dramas pretty much seem like written by women who have ZERO idea about men.
I think it’s quite realistic because he likes the girl. Even though, the broadcasting mistake was not done on…
You can take any example of a person making a complete idiot of themselves on their own, which the FL did in this case. The place did not cause the incident. Her reading out the letter and people finding out caused it. That was an accident waiting to happen since she has done this few times already.
Anyway, if the drama makes the FL realize her mistake and say sorry to the ML, do let me know. I will gladly admit the writers of the drama got it right by giving growth to the FL and even the ML. :)
I think it’s quite realistic because he likes the girl. Even though, the broadcasting mistake was not done on…
Ok, lets go with your premise.
He 'feels' guilty. Does the drama attempt to balance it out and let the FL know what exactly happened and who should be responsible for what happened?
if that happens & the FL realizes she was the one who wronged the ML and gets on her knees to say sorry to him, then I would agree that there is progress.
not planning to continue watching this toxic shit unless the story and characters start making logical sense. but when the drama makes the FL realize how wrong she was, do let me know, I will happily agree I was wrong about the direction the drama is going.
PS: Yeah, I do understand the word 'feel' and it does not matter whether he 'feels' guilty or he is guilty since it's all the same from the drama POV. The drama does not make the ML 'feel' guilty, he is pretty much guilty by the he behaves, the girl behaves, their parents behaves...There is no 'feeling' there. Him being guilty is an established fact in the drama.
I think it’s quite realistic because he likes the girl. Even though, the broadcasting mistake was not done on…
Ok, lets go with your premise.
He 'feels' guilty. Does the drama attempt to balance it out and let the FL know what exactly happened and who should be responsible for what happened?
if that happens & the FL realizes she was the one who wronged the ML and gets on her knees to say sorry to him, then I would agree that there is progress.
not planning to continue watching this toxic shit unless the story and characters start making logical sense. but when the drama makes the FL realize how wrong she was, do let me know, I will happily agree I was wrong about the direction the drama is going.
I think it’s quite realistic because he likes the girl. Even though, the broadcasting mistake was not done on…
What are you talking about?
Just because he asked her to come there leads to him being responsible and be guilty?
She got in trouble for the letter she read out - period. In fact she did that thing repeatedly to him in spite him showing visible discomfort. Imagine you ask some one to meet at basketball court & then the person who comes there removes their clothes and gets exposed to the world. Is it the fault of the person who asked to come there?
This exactly is the mentality of this drama. Does the Fl realize the crap she pulled and say sorry to the guy? I bet No and I don't expect it happen through out the drama.
Their relationship is toxic, the ML is simping and would agree to murder to get the girl. The girl is too self-centered to even realize the shit she put him through. The guy will keep enabling her toxic behavior and the girl will keep assaulting the guy, because no matter what in this relationship, that simp is always wrong. These are two people who will never better each other as persons because one is afraid of losing the girl & the other does not even realize how toxic she is being.
I think it’s quite realistic because he likes the girl. Even though, the broadcasting mistake was not done on…
the FL was the one was the who decided to recite the love letter, the ML did not ask her to. She was the one who chose to do it not ML. The ML was uncomfortable when she did the same repeatedly. It was the FL who kept pestering him. He repeatedly showed his displeasure but she would keep at it.
It was a combination of her own stupidity and accident that caused the issue. The ML had zero responsibility for it. Her misunderstandings etc were her own making. Her getting into trouble was her own making.
The drama makes the ML feel guilty and repeatedly say sorry for something he has absolutely no responsibility for.
What's worse, the FL never is made to understand that she was the one who caused her own misery and the ML was the victim. She should have been the who would eventually be saying sorry to him.
Let me ask you...does that happen? Does the FL say sorry for treating him like shit, beating him and misunderstanding him?
It's not about liking or not liking the characters. The story does not make sense. Exactly what is ML saying sorry for? What is he responsible for? Just because he likes the girl gives her the entitlement to treat him like she did?
In real life we do see entitled and arrogant humans like the FL but this is a drama that needs to follow rules of a drama. As such there needs to be consequences of what she did to ML or a closure where she is shown to have understood that it was her actions that led to all the things that happened and apologize to the ML.
Does any of it happen? I bet the drama will make the ML continue to say sorry as if it was his fault and FL was the victim.
Even though the FL seems bit pouty and immature, I am wondering if she is one of those FL's who is in her teens...
Any comparison to Who rules the world is moot. The tone of both dramas is vastly different. Whole WRTW felt campy, this one has a more mature and dark tone to it.
I think it’s quite realistic because he likes the girl. Even though, the broadcasting mistake was not done on…
broadcasting mistake was done by the FL, not the ML. If anyone has to say sorry, it should be the FL for barging in to his work place to recite love letters from other girl. She made the mistake, she misunderstood and the story should make her realize that and make amends.
instead all we get to see is the ML being abused, physically assaulted and treated like crap for no fault of his. I literally mean that, he had ZERO fault in what happened and it was 100% fault of the girl.
If it was the guy who abused the girl, physically assault her and treat her like shit even though it was his fault - we would be shouting that the girl should end up with the 2ML.
This one needed a nice 2FL to have nice and cute interactions with ML, to smack the FL across the face but instead we get a 2ML. Having 2ML in this drama made little sense, it does not add anything since the ML is already licking the FL boots all the time.
This is a drama, it needs to be logical for continuity. The plot devises used here are making no sense at all.
The ML has taken simping to a whole new level in this one.
I have no idea why this idiot keeps apologizing for something he never did. If anyone was wrong it was the FL who kept reciting love letters from other girl even though the ML was uncomfortable. It was a self inflicted wound but hey the simp has to say sorry for rest of his life even though he had nothing to do with it.
The love story was confusing as hell for me too.For first few episodes, I thought the ML was gay.They had a montage…
You need to rewatch the drama, There are numerous conversations between FL and her friend regarding attributes of the ML, including physical ones.
ML's in Cdramas are always cold. It's basically the main attribute of the ML to justify his ZERO interaction with any other girl in the drama. Without this attribute for the ML, you have to show him similar to FL, who has meaningful interactions, including cute, romantic ones with other men in the drama. Because the drama does not want the ML to do anything with any other girl, him being cold and mean is a must.
These ML's remind me...forgive me for saying this, Dildos. They are just in the drama for a single specific purpose, along with another dildo or two. Just like Dildos, the ML seem to exist in the drama for a single purpose.
Finally, I think I understand your point about target audience. It makes sense but it's jarring. These dramas through the ML want to project that the perfect man is the one without any history ever with any other girl.
Are these dramas written by women by any chance? These writers seem like their only experience with men is watching other Cdramas.
I think I like the term Dildo for these kinds of ML's. It fits them perfectly.
The love story was confusing as hell for me too.For first few episodes, I thought the ML was gay.They had a montage…
The problem with what your saying is that ML is indeed interested in girls...scratch it, he is interested in a single girl, the FL.
This is the core problem with significant number of Cdramas, the ML sexuality is absolutely neutered for a specific reason.
Look at the FL, she has no problem being with good looking guys, being attracted to them and romancing them. In this drama, from the first episode FL was practically drooling over the ML and yes it was very superficial. For all purposes Fatty on the team had the sweetest disposition but we all know why our girl did not go him and instead went for the ML. We also know why the FL and her friend would explicitly discuss ML and how good looking he is repeatedly.
Point being, FL in Cdramas do act some what similar to how girls would react, their sexuality is not neutered. ML's on the other hand.....
In Episode 1, she was on an ego trip & was fine to use anyone and anything to get to the top.
Those slaps to that poor chap at the end is basically her hitting the bottom. Would have liked the guy punch her in the face after the second slap so that her redemption arc begins.
instead of love letter, if she was having normal talk with the ML, she would not have gotten into trouble even in mic was on.
The problem is closing our eyes to the obvious physical and psychological abuse ML was put through by the FL for something he had ZERO fault. The drama made him repeatedly say sorry.
Was he at fault - no, never, not from any angle.
Was Fl at fault - yes, for reading love letter he did not ask her to read.
The accident like you keep repeating is not something FL acknowledges ever. Even at episode 8 she behaves as of ML was the one at fault and the simp keeps saying sorry.
Does the drama make the FL realize ML was NEVER at fault? NO, it does not and there in lies the problem with this drama.
The mic was an accident.
Whether the mic was on or not would not have mattered if she did not read the love letter.
That's the core reason why she got into trouble, not because the mic was on but because she read love letter and got caught.
The drama then goes on in such a way that everyone thinks it's ML's fault.
She hits him, mistreats him and abuses him. Worse the ML lets her do it when he clearly should know it is none of his fault.
The drama at some point should have made the FL realize she was at fault and make up to the ML. instead, we get the same bullShit that the ML was at fault repeatedly and he keeps saying sorry.
I have watched few more episodes and this is a recurring theme, he keeps saying sorry and the FL never realizes she is the one who should be saying sorry.
This drama is a shitfest with couple of morons simping for an arrogant and entitled girl. She does not deserve the ML and I can easily see how toxic it would be for the ML if they ever got together. She would basically screw him as she has been doing all her life.
Imagine watching dramas after dramas where the Female Lead, who is near 30, incredibly beautiful, successful, rich and straight orientation....never looks at guys, never been attracted to any guy in her life because she want's some one who is as good as her in physics or has some trauma..etc etc.
That would be unrealistic portrayal. Hence why you don't see these kinds of FL in Cdramas, because the women who are writing these dramas know that's not how women are & they know very well what happens once a girl hits puberty.
The POV of women are obviously fleshed out with their feelings shown in Cdramas. There would be no such thing happening in Cdramas, including this one because the writer obviously has no idea how to go about it.
The 'REASON' for a man in late twenties never having had a crush in his life is at a whole different level of fakery.
The dramas was very good but the ML was pretty much a fake, like every other Cdrama ML.
But I think I understand why the ML's are written this way in Cdramas. It looks like that's what the viewers want for the FL, a pure and unspoiled man.
While I can't relate to that, I am certainly starting to understand how this forms a huge part in a Cdramas success & it is starting to make sense why the 2FL in Cdrama is usually a bitch who is hard to like.
It is surprisingly good.
Besides, that's not the core of the issue.
Her being asked to move to different schools is a direct result of her reading the love letter. No one asked her to read it. She read it on her own free will.
Any consequence afterwards is only hers to bear and not anyone else, much less the ML.
The other facts around the incident can be thrown out. The core fault of the incident is the sole responsibility of the FL.
I have watched few more episodes and the drama never makes the FL realize her mistake.
The ML is turning into a bugger wimpy simp.
He is probably the biggest simp next to the ML in Eternal Love. Looking at him makes it hard to see why any girl would like him. He is love child of a door mat and a dog.
Besides, that's not the core of the issue.
Her being asked to move to different schools is a direct result of her reading the love letter. No one asked her to read it. She read it on her own free will.
Any consequence afterwards is only hers to bear and not anyone else, much less the ML.
The other facts around the incident can be thrown out. The core fault of the incident is the sole responsibility of the FL.
I have watched few more episodes and the drama never makes the FL realize her mistake.
The ML is turning into a bugger wimpy simp.
He is probably the biggest simp next to the ML in Eternal Love. Looking at him makes it hard to see why any girl would like him. He is love child of a door mat and a dog.
Point 2 - I was not even talking about dating
Please remember these two points in this discussion. I am tired of repeating what I am trying to convey and misunderstood.
What I am talking about is the ML never having any feelings for any girl until he meets the FL. This is the most common scenario in Cdramas.
The FL is shown to have crushed on, attracted to other men in Cdramas and in quite few of the dramas, she dates other guys. She has nice, cute, intimate moments with other men, like normal girls have.
The ML on the other hand is never attracted to any girls other than FL.
The ML is very rarely shown to have ever dated other girls.
The ML is absolutely never ever shown to have cute and romantic moments with any other girl than the FL.
These dramas pretty much seem like written by women who have ZERO idea about men.
The place did not cause the incident. Her reading out the letter and people finding out caused it.
That was an accident waiting to happen since she has done this few times already.
Anyway, if the drama makes the FL realize her mistake and say sorry to the ML, do let me know. I will gladly admit the writers of the drama got it right by giving growth to the FL and even the ML. :)
He 'feels' guilty.
Does the drama attempt to balance it out and let the FL know what exactly happened and who should be responsible for what happened?
if that happens & the FL realizes she was the one who wronged the ML and gets on her knees to say sorry to him, then I would agree that there is progress.
not planning to continue watching this toxic shit unless the story and characters start making logical sense.
but when the drama makes the FL realize how wrong she was, do let me know, I will happily agree I was wrong about the direction the drama is going.
PS: Yeah, I do understand the word 'feel' and it does not matter whether he 'feels' guilty or he is guilty since it's all the same from the drama POV. The drama does not make the ML 'feel' guilty, he is pretty much guilty by the he behaves, the girl behaves, their parents behaves...There is no 'feeling' there. Him being guilty is an established fact in the drama.
He 'feels' guilty.
Does the drama attempt to balance it out and let the FL know what exactly happened and who should be responsible for what happened?
if that happens & the FL realizes she was the one who wronged the ML and gets on her knees to say sorry to him, then I would agree that there is progress.
not planning to continue watching this toxic shit unless the story and characters start making logical sense.
but when the drama makes the FL realize how wrong she was, do let me know, I will happily agree I was wrong about the direction the drama is going.
Just because he asked her to come there leads to him being responsible and be guilty?
She got in trouble for the letter she read out - period.
In fact she did that thing repeatedly to him in spite him showing visible discomfort.
Imagine you ask some one to meet at basketball court & then the person who comes there removes their clothes and gets exposed to the world. Is it the fault of the person who asked to come there?
This exactly is the mentality of this drama.
Does the Fl realize the crap she pulled and say sorry to the guy?
I bet No and I don't expect it happen through out the drama.
Their relationship is toxic, the ML is simping and would agree to murder to get the girl.
The girl is too self-centered to even realize the shit she put him through. The guy will keep enabling her toxic behavior and the girl will keep assaulting the guy, because no matter what in this relationship, that simp is always wrong.
These are two people who will never better each other as persons because one is afraid of losing the girl & the other does not even realize how toxic she is being.
The ML was uncomfortable when she did the same repeatedly. It was the FL who kept pestering him. He repeatedly showed his displeasure but she would keep at it.
It was a combination of her own stupidity and accident that caused the issue. The ML had zero responsibility for it.
Her misunderstandings etc were her own making.
Her getting into trouble was her own making.
The drama makes the ML feel guilty and repeatedly say sorry for something he has absolutely no responsibility for.
What's worse, the FL never is made to understand that she was the one who caused her own misery and the ML was the victim. She should have been the who would eventually be saying sorry to him.
Let me ask you...does that happen? Does the FL say sorry for treating him like shit, beating him and misunderstanding him?
It's not about liking or not liking the characters. The story does not make sense.
Exactly what is ML saying sorry for? What is he responsible for?
Just because he likes the girl gives her the entitlement to treat him like she did?
In real life we do see entitled and arrogant humans like the FL but this is a drama that needs to follow rules of a drama. As such there needs to be consequences of what she did to ML or a closure where she is shown to have understood that it was her actions that led to all the things that happened and apologize to the ML.
Does any of it happen? I bet the drama will make the ML continue to say sorry as if it was his fault and FL was the victim.
The story seems to be entering the main arc.
Even though the FL seems bit pouty and immature, I am wondering if she is one of those FL's who is in her teens...
Any comparison to Who rules the world is moot. The tone of both dramas is vastly different. Whole WRTW felt campy, this one has a more mature and dark tone to it.
If anyone has to say sorry, it should be the FL for barging in to his work place to recite love letters from other girl.
She made the mistake, she misunderstood and the story should make her realize that and make amends.
instead all we get to see is the ML being abused, physically assaulted and treated like crap for no fault of his.
I literally mean that, he had ZERO fault in what happened and it was 100% fault of the girl.
If it was the guy who abused the girl, physically assault her and treat her like shit even though it was his fault - we would be shouting that the girl should end up with the 2ML.
This one needed a nice 2FL to have nice and cute interactions with ML, to smack the FL across the face but instead we get a 2ML.
Having 2ML in this drama made little sense, it does not add anything since the ML is already licking the FL boots all the time.
This is a drama, it needs to be logical for continuity. The plot devises used here are making no sense at all.
I have no idea why this idiot keeps apologizing for something he never did.
If anyone was wrong it was the FL who kept reciting love letters from other girl even though the ML was uncomfortable.
It was a self inflicted wound but hey the simp has to say sorry for rest of his life even though he had nothing to do with it.
There are numerous conversations between FL and her friend regarding attributes of the ML, including physical ones.
ML's in Cdramas are always cold.
It's basically the main attribute of the ML to justify his ZERO interaction with any other girl in the drama.
Without this attribute for the ML, you have to show him similar to FL, who has meaningful interactions, including cute, romantic ones with other men in the drama.
Because the drama does not want the ML to do anything with any other girl, him being cold and mean is a must.
These ML's remind me...forgive me for saying this, Dildos.
They are just in the drama for a single specific purpose, along with another dildo or two. Just like Dildos, the ML seem to exist in the drama for a single purpose.
Finally, I think I understand your point about target audience. It makes sense but it's jarring. These dramas through the ML want to project that the perfect man is the one without any history ever with any other girl.
Are these dramas written by women by any chance? These writers seem like their only experience with men is watching other Cdramas.
I think I like the term Dildo for these kinds of ML's. It fits them perfectly.
Just wondering if 4 episodes are enough to tie all the story lines!
This is the core problem with significant number of Cdramas, the ML sexuality is absolutely neutered for a specific reason.
Look at the FL, she has no problem being with good looking guys, being attracted to them and romancing them. In this drama, from the first episode FL was practically drooling over the ML and yes it was very superficial. For all purposes Fatty on the team had the sweetest disposition but we all know why our girl did not go him and instead went for the ML.
We also know why the FL and her friend would explicitly discuss ML and how good looking he is repeatedly.
Point being, FL in Cdramas do act some what similar to how girls would react, their sexuality is not neutered.
ML's on the other hand.....
Crazy love is more Rom Com, while this one is more angsty.