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Replying to Kokuto Jul 6, 2024
If you are going to quote Tong Hua, get it right. That isn't even a quote from her. It is someone else talking…
You are the one accusing what I write as misinformation CONSTANTLY.

And all you have is that couple bug to prove your 'true love' that does not really exist. You are missing the whole point of the story.

'True love' is not some magical intangible emotion.
You need both parties to step forward together, in the same direction.

Xiaoyao and Xiangliu they can't go in the same direction. Xiangliu may love Xiaoyao in his own way, but is it 'true love' when he keeps choosing to hurt her with every decision he makes? I hope when I watch S2 I can understand why he chose to completely delete himself and not even let her remember him as a friend. For now I am considering its as his demon's pride. But it was a selfish move on his part, because in any kind of relationship, I dislike it when one party decides what is better for another person and not let the person to make a choice about the matter on their own. There is no basic respect there.

TH emphasizes that a companion on life's path, to be there for each other, so they can rely on and help each other along the way. She never said that cannot come with true love. What I can see is, TH loves her Xiaoyao and gave her the very best Dahuang had to offer.

Seriously could you please leave me alone?
You talk to me so much I feel quite bad to ignore you, but I really don't think our discussions are getting anywhere at all.
I don't think you are feeling great talking to me either. Do something you can enjoy instead of typing at me? I am here to discuss with other fans who are open to discussion, not here to 'rile others up'.
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Replying to windiaaa041293 Jul 6, 2024
Hmmm...you're not completely wrong, but that's not all. Should I tell you? THIS IS TONGHUA'S ORIGINAL POST ON…
Which was why Tonghua brought them back, it was just her way to write her characters so she could show their love had impact on each other? I don't think Xiaoyao nor Jing set out their life mission to be dead. They wanted to be with their loves, in death. No need for the couple bug to kill them. That feeling comes from their own motivation.

Why are you repeating to me about how bad CX's mother's death was?
I get that. Cangxuan will also repeat that in the story himself. He was really scarred by what his mother did.
Anyway I am not the one who said I didn't like it but wrote it into my story anyway? Don't take it out on me.

As far as I can tell, TH linked Xiangliu to Xiaoyao with the couple bug, not only as a way to add different levels to her characters' relationships, but as her way to be able to 'kill' Xiaoyao as many times as she needed.
In xianxia writing, most lead characters will die a few times. But in LYF, she doesn't use the reincarnation trope, so she had to add some extra lives for Xiaoyao somehow.

What am I really twisting the couple bug into? I am pointing out to you what other people can see it as. The bugs is not absolute, and the way you cling onto it but refuse to see beyond what had been obviously written and acted out in the drama, is a loss to yourself since you cannot fully appreciate the intricacies of what TH has given us.
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Replying to Kokuto Jul 5, 2024
If you are going to quote Tong Hua, get it right. That isn't even a quote from her. It is someone else talking…
Alright, in that case here's is an actual quote from Tonghua's interview, where she directly referred to Tushan Jing as Xiaoyao's 恋人 love/lover when asked about the difficulties faced when adapting LYF into a drama.

https://wapbaike.baidu.com/tashuo/browse/content?id=d00ea92e4778db13cf980119

桐华:《长相思》可以改编成影视作品,但改编难度蛮大,因为这个故事的架构有点特别。从故事架构的角度来说,男一是玱玹,是故事的戏剧核心,但作为一个言情故事,女主小夭的恋人是涂山璟,回到架构来说,也就是女一不和男一谈恋爱,这对改编剧本有难度。

Why are you so upset that Xiaoyao's 'companion in life' happens to also be her true love? Xiaoyao suffered alot in life, she deserves every bit of happiness she got. TH's msg is, you will reap what you sow. Dare to take the first step towards happiness.
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Replying to antiherodiaries Jul 5, 2024
Physical cages serve to bind traumatic bonds between XY and XL, XY and TSJ, and XY and CX. However, it is how…
I am sorry I did not mean to use the slave and master in that way for Xiangliu. But Xiangliu did surrender his freedom to Hongjiang - to me, he willingly put on those shackles of 'loyalty'.

Perhaps some don't like to refer to family as shackles but in the story, I find everyone's family who are dragging them down from who they really want to be and what they really want to do in their lives, as ball and chain.

I did refer to Xiangliu treating Hong jiang as his family in another post, where I asked why people penalized Jing for doing his best for his own family, but excused every other character for being loyal to their own.
When Jing did his best to respect and consider the reputation for a woman his grandmother had taken in as 'family', when he does not even know or care for her personally, he became 'spineless' and 'weak'.

Its funny how you should mention double standard, considering how you have painted TSJ as some insidious 'fake gentleman' after 'deep analysis' for five months.
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Replying to windiaaa041293 Jul 5, 2024
Hmmm...you're not completely wrong, but that's not all. Should I tell you? THIS IS TONGHUA'S ORIGINAL POST ON…
Thank you for sharing this interview with me! I am not familiar with 雪山飞狐.

However, you do notice that even though TH said she did not accept the suicide in the Flying Snow Fox story, but she did make TSJ follow Xiaoyao in death and also Xiaoyao to follow Jing in death when she accepted her first assassination attempt without putting up a fight.
The second time XY tried to die again, I would have to say, Cangxuan drove her to that death. TH had no issues using that trope as a way to show 'true love' in her own story.

In Tonghua's other interview, she clearly said that even though all her characters experienced lovesickness in the story, ultimately Lost You Forever was for Cangxuan. "桐华解说,说是长相思是玱玹对小夭永远的思念,因为永远得不到。"
She did not say Xiaoyao too, because XY eventually found her 长相守。

I don't know why many here is so bent on forcing their wish on Xiaoyao, who is definitely not her mother, and hoping she would either end up alone or expecting her to suffer for the rest of her life, pining for a 'lost love' when she actually came to terms with XL's eventual death really quickly compared to how she had pined for TSJ.

Was TH's writing really not clear enough? I thought TH showing the three different kinds of relationships for XY was really clear and even synopsis for LYF mentioned this everywhere : familial love, romantic love, friendship - 亲情,爱情,友情... The LYF S2 script made a note of this as well.

I do suggest that for the fans who enjoy a very tragic love story, they should read TH's other novel 曾许诺, the prequel to LYF. Now this is a story about star-crossed lovers.

Who knows, if LYF S2 continues to be a big hit, production companies may consider to shoot the prequel as well, and maybe that will really hit the spot for fans who enjoy such themes.
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Replying to antiherodiaries Jul 5, 2024
As we may all know, Tu Shan Jing, the second male lead and endgame character in the world of 'Lost You Forever,'…
Also when you said Tushan Jing had no character growth, when he literally started in the beginning of the story, as the only deity in LYF who saw that life was more than just power, wealth, fame, glory or revenge.

He did decide life was about loving and watching over another, because he became one lovesick fool and was solely interested in chasing the apple of his eye, Xiaoyao.

"The greatest thing
You'll ever learn
Is just to love
And be loved in return"
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Replying to 9lives Jul 5, 2024
Interesting that you should mention interviews. I'm sure you know that Tong Hua also "really said" that Lost You…
In her writing and the drama, TH has made sure to show that Xiaoyao started her journey with one set of conditions but Xiaoyao kept changing her conditions along the way, and it was only for one person, Tushan Jing. She said she would never wait for anyone, but she was willing to wait for him. Cangxuan noted this in S1.

You said you have read the novel so you should know, Xiaoyao chose Jing even after he was 'gone'. If she continued to be as co-dependent as some suggested, her next goal will be to secure another target to rely on, but this time, she decided she will not.
Later, for someone who had always been a survivor in life, she was ready to die because she couldn't live with what her brother did to Jing. Cangxuan literally killed her with his actions. And after she was brought back to life, she was ready to be lonely until the end of her life, just to remember Jing. TH let Xiaoyao suffer this loss, so she can look into her own heart, and know what love truly is.
Her love story is not smooth sailing, but TH took pains to write in parts to let both of them see how much they mean to each other. Otherwise Jing would never know how much Xiaoyao loves him too.

It was only because TH loves Xiaoyao, so she gave her her a happy ending - everything her heart's desire. Why should the emotional scars all the characters have discount the true love she found in the end?
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Replying to Zhystel Jul 5, 2024
"Every time Xiaoyao was happy with TSJ, she never seem to remember XL."— Now, that is just not true. Allow me…
I never said Xiaoyao had no feelings for Xiangliu. He is just not her 'true love' because neither of them fought for their relationship. Neither of them will cross that line. So their relationship remains an ambiguous friendship.

Tonghua has emphasized many times in the drama, that in all relationships, not just romance, people need to take that step towards each other for it to work. Xiaoyao told Xiangliu that she was willing to take the first step towards her sister so that her father and Cangxuan could be happy. Later on, she finally found her courage to take her own steps and fight for her own happiness.

However, during Xiaoyao's breakup period, Xiangliu's role became more like a rebound guy. From his persepective, I think he understood as well. So he chose not to leave with her, since at that point of time, she was vulnerable and only looking for a way to escape her circumstances instead of really fighting for her own future.

In the drama I have not seen Xiaoyao looking flustered or shy when she was in close proximity with Fangfeng Bei. She also did not allow him to pass the usual male-female skinship boundaries like taking blood from her neck again, because she considered herself 'taken'. Even as she was drowning, she still thought about Jing and considered if she should keep her lips away from another man. I don't know about you, but if I was drowning, I don't think I have so much time to think about an ex ...
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Replying to looktothestars Jul 5, 2024
There's no way in hell it will be one episode per week. That would mean it wouldn't be finished airing until like…
LYF should air completely on Tencent before Olympics start on July 26.
That is 'drama ratings killer' because the entire nation will just talk about one thing only. If Tencent is smart and wants to at least have a short buzz period after the drama ends, they would end the drama few days before Olympics start otherwise all the hot search will be about the games.
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Replying to Sunbath12 Jul 5, 2024
Yeah, there's a lot of mirroring going on. This theme of identity and whether and how that defines someone plays…
One line from Xiaoyao could have 'saved' Fangfeng Bei's life.
But he was allowed to die by both XL and Xiaoyao. I found that moment really, really sad.
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Replying to insideout91 Jul 5, 2024
It’s not we said it’s YZ said, but she probably understand less then you
I am obsessed with LYF. But thanks for the previous engagement. At least I can feel you were sincere.
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Replying to 9lives Jul 5, 2024
It’s like you are deliberately hoping to make people riled up. We have discussed this extensively over the course…
Correction : I did not being weibo drama here.
I did not bring fandom fighting. What I brought was discussion points.
I wondered about war and fighting and if there was a point when we should not romanticize about it. I still have no real answer. But you can't stop me from wondering.

I would appreciate if you don't put words into my mouth.

As for drama, there is plenty here in MDL.

Me talking about Jing vs you guys talking about Xiangliu. Do you have more right to do that than me?

Just because you are passionate about Xiangliu and talk about him alot, does it mean I can't talk about the characters I am passionate about? Are you saying because he is more popular here, everyone else can be freely slandered so Xiangliu will look even better?

Point out to me when I dragged Xiangliu? I have made my observations on his actions. I did not add anything that is not there.
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Replying to antiherodiaries Jul 5, 2024
As we may all know, Tu Shan Jing, the second male lead and endgame character in the world of 'Lost You Forever,'…
You analysed him for so long but you came to the conclusion his actions are opposite of 'Confucian thought'?

The very basis of Jing's sufferings stemmed from being filial to his grandmother who refused to let him marry the princess because she placed the clan before her grandson.
Even after she set him up and ruined his chance at happiness forever, he still gave her the respect she was due as a widow who had worked her whole life for centuries for the Tushan family.

As for all the journey for your 'anti-heroes' none of them could have succeeded without Tushan Jing.

Just because he was in the background not seeking praise because all he wanted was Xiaoyao, you guys really just write him off.

Tushan Jing is literally the Kingmaker of LYF.

Without his funding and plans, would Cangxuan have been able to get to the throne staying behind in Xiyan? Would Fenglong be able to break out from the chains of his clan and enter the court to seek his political aspirations? During the years of his coma, those two were at the verge of collapse because they had no funds.
Would even the Chenrong army have survived for all these extra centuries, without necessary food, weapons or supplies?
Now you even try to make him look like a 'bad guy' for helping the Lirong clan who had been abandoned by every other family in Chenrong, because they had been closely affiliated with the Chenrong army.
Maybe you should be asking, is why the Lirong family were into underground gambling and death cage fighting, if they had options to do proper business in the open, they probably would have. Which was also why Jing introduced his friend to Cangxuan, future king, so they can improve their clans future.

Tushan Jing is not perfect, but some of you really won't stop with the character assassination just because Xiangliu was not the one Xiaoyao chose.
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On Lost You Forever Season 2 Jul 5, 2024
Since people kept bringing up interviews
Here is what TH really said about LYF :
She said there is no true love without a proper foundation. That was why she spent such a long time writing about Xiaoliu and Shiqi's days in Qingshui town.

Also, the leads for LYF are Cangxuan and Xiaoyao.

TH's inspiration for LYF is from Jin Yong's novel 【雪山飞狐】
She wanted to explore how two orphans set on different paths will be able to find their happiness in their lives.

桐华义开始想要探寻的两个孩子如何在失去父母之后,在对周围人不信任的心理中去寻找自己的幸福。。。。 小夭的幸福就是在帮助玱玹完成大业后,与值得信任和爱的人相守。

For everyone who mocks Xiaoyao for making finding true love her quest in life after helping Cangxuan ascend the throne and other achievements along the way; for Xiaoyao, to think she can trust and love someone else is precisely her character growth and her path to her freedom from her cage.
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Replying to antiherodiaries Jul 5, 2024
Physical cages serve to bind traumatic bonds between XY and XL, XY and TSJ, and XY and CX. However, it is how…
Seeing how XL was the one who actually started as a slave trapped in a cage, and later dies as a 'slave' to another 'Master' he bound himself willingly to, I really disagree with you that he was the one who exercised free will in the end.
If that free will was to bind himself to Hong Jiang, set on the path of death.
I say this because in the unlikely event that Hong jiang said one day 'Guys, you know what, we don't have to fight to the death. Let's all go live on the pacific, where there are no memories.'
Xiangliu would follow him. Chenrong's war was never his. He was a free creature of the sea, not of Chenrong. He made that war his because of Hong Jiang.
If Xiangliu was 'free' why did Xiaoyao get so sad over him? It was because he was not free - he trapped himself willingly. I don't know if we can call that freewill.

Jing was the only one who did not end up a prisoner of negative feelings. He chose to be free of it. Even though he still had trauma from his torture, he did not live in the shadow of it.

As for Cangxuan, the poor guy literally stuck in that cage of power he made for life, unable to follow his heart's truest desire.

I really don't see finding true love and living blissfully for as long as they both shall live, as cursed in 'co-dependency'. You made finding a partner of their own choice, to spend their lives with sound like a crime.
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Replying to insideout91 Jul 5, 2024
It’s not we said it’s YZ said, but she probably understand less then you
What Yangzi said in her interview can be taken out of context.

What the novel and the drama is obviously showing is something we as the audience can and should interpret for ourselves.

When Xiaoyao made her choices at the points of time, she did not know how things was going to end. She made those choices anyway.
To claim she only did it because of 'stated condition' is already a mistake, since that condition is obviously not met at those times.

We have the overall perspective since we finished the story but during the story, the characters are all stumbling around in the dark. Who really knew what was going to happen next?
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Replying to 9lives Jul 5, 2024
It’s like you are deliberately hoping to make people riled up. We have discussed this extensively over the course…
Its so weird that you say Jing is stalking Xiaoyao when XL is always creeping around her as well...
I would even say XL is bordering on being a voyeur ( S2 revelation ) which is truly disgusting... But 'sacrifices' have to be made, for Hong jiang and Chenrong army!
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Replying to BBQueen Jul 5, 2024
You're like a walnut!
Do you mean like the brainy part of the walnut? If so, thanks??
When you see Wolong ads, pls remember me.
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Replying to Underworld princess Jul 5, 2024
I want to repeat too, are we watching the same show? Why is it so hard for you to comprehend even after so many…
Yes I will be very happy...
Xiaoyao will be very happy too with the true love she breaks all her conditions for, thank you.
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Replying to looktothestars Jul 5, 2024
oop you've made the xiang liu fans mad 🤭. I don't necessarily agree with everything you said but I appreciate…
Thank you at least for being polite.
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