That is yet another tired discussion brought up again and again. Didn't one of your yaoliu fans say decades is…
I guess this is where we saw things differently because from the beginning, I didn't see Xiaoliu's girly affections for Shiqi being fake to get him to like her so that he would stay as her companion. In fact, her actions towards him was the only one which did not stem from some fear or need to ingratiate. With Shiqi, Xiaoliu was the one with the 'upper-hand'. She could get mad at him, gift him things, basically everything she did with him, was quite sincere.
But if you made a parallel of yaojing to TianEr-Chuanzi, where TianEr was definitely desperate for Chuanzi to marry her, won't this mean Xiaoyao would want to marry Chief TSJ immediately in case he slips from her grasp again? In that case, why was she so comfortable waiting for that 43 years?
Contrast this to how she was with Xiangliu, where most of what she said even though was sincere, quite alot of how she said it was meant to butter him up because she was inwardly afraid of making him mad. Even making poisons for him, started because she wanted to keep her Qingshui family safe, and later she wanted to keep Ah Nian safe. It was not a 'pure' gift. Even with her own brother Cangxuan, I found Xiaoyao often needing to catch herself about what she said with him, and come up with some placating words to appease him when he looked displeased.
As for yaoliu with Ah Heng and Chi-chen, once again I have to disagree. I did not read Once Promised yet, but I read enough posts to determine that Ah Heng and Chichen actually fell in love before their real identities emerged and became a problem when war begun? In fact, they were actually going to elope.
ChiChen was also very different from Xiangliu. He was proud, confident and he wooed Ah Heng very passionately and directly. Contrast this with Xiangliu who can't let go of himself to try to win Xiaoyao, that was why I never saw yaoliu being the same as that star-crossed couple. Also the 'ending' of Ah Heng and ChiChen was really moving, since ChiChen could literally give up his own heart for the woman he loved.
I suppose Xiangliu did in his own way, gave up a few of his lives for Xiaoyao, but in the end, I think he kept his heart for himself. He remained 'true' to his own aspirations and choices and did not pick Xiaoyao. To me, outsourcing your love and concern to a 'better man' is not the same as deciding to take care of the person you love yourself. I do not care for the 'noble idiot trope' in dramas.
Anyway I would like to thank you for sharing your thoughtful exchanges and your polite responses. I can feel you are sincere in your replies and you are not the same as some of the others who talk to me but I can obviously read their mocking tone.
Cheers! I hope you can still enjoy LYF S2! Look forward to discussing more with you in future as well! You can still reply to me if you want, these ending paragraphs is not a 'ending' thread move. I just wanted to say thanks in case you don't reply back to me lol
That is yet another tired discussion brought up again and again. Didn't one of your yaoliu fans say decades is…
"I personally don't believe XY delayed her marriage to Jing because she was waiting for XL to save her or change his mind, but I don't believe she did it for the reasons you mentioned either. "
In that case, what reasons do you think she had for delaying? Do share so I can think about it as we watch S2... sometimes we need new ideas to open our minds to other possibilities. I like this story but sometimes after thinking about something in one way for a long time, I may not see it from another angle.
"He wanted to get marry the sooner the better. I understand that you are a jing fan, but I can't really undertand how her delay sits well with you."
This part is very true, Jing wanted to marry her asap, but as we all know Jing as always willing to wait for Xiaoyao and he will place her wishes first. Even though I am a Jing fan, I also love Xiaoyao, so I am fine with her taking as much time as she needed before the next big step in her life.
In addition, I also think it was TH's writing decision because she wanted to throw in one last big tribulation for this pair to suffer through before the end. If they were already married before he was 'killed', what a difference in storytelling because as his wife, what other choice could Xiaoyao make but wait for him?
Now we will see that Xiaoyao would also be willing to wait indefinitely for Jing, even when things seemed bleak and hopeless. She was even willing to marry 'the air' and become his wife in name. I loved to see her breaking her own 'rules' for him, because I am a die-hard romantic. But even with this development, we still see people claiming that Xiaoyao didn't love Jing as much as he loved her. Was TH's way to be 'fair' to her character Jing not enough, since so many still are unconvinced by the end that Xiaoyao ended up with him out of a need and not a want? I saw it as both, Xiaoyao needed him but she also wanted him. She lost control of her heart because of him a long while ago.
So yes, I accept Xiaoyao's waiting to get married, as part of the necessary storytelling, because we will get to see her 'growth' and how she would come to learn about herself, and how much she truly loved Jing.
Doing the story this way, Jing too, will also get to know just how much Xiaoyao loves him. Jing maybe in her heart but he has no 'direct access' to really KNOW her feelings for himself first-hand. Like most normal relationships, we all have to do guess work and put in the faith that what we think is the real thing, is real. Much of what Jing had assumed before was actually wrong - one of which was Xiaoyao got over him very quickly.
TH's writing for me, showed that in life, a successful loving relationship is really based on the importance of communication.
I don't doubt Xiangliu loved her in his own way, but he lacked the courage to pursue her or he consciously chose not to pursue her. Either way, he was not open at all, literally, even though supposedly the connection they shared was supposed to help a couple know everything the other felt - he could feel her joy, her pain. In the end, Xiaoyao wasn't even sure if they were considered friends, so what kind of epic love could we speak of? Two one-sided loves? I don't think Xiaoyao is the kind of person to choose to head down that path.
One of the most important thing TH seemed to emphasize on, is how open and honest a couple is with each other, and for me, yaojing met the criteria in this story and I am very happy for this couple.
You forgot to ask them about the “getting drunk during their wedding night” part of the novel 😹Watch them…
You are just so salty for Xiangliu as the East sea lol I can smell it from here
Considering how badly Xiaoyao wants Jing's kisses and how much they made out during their Cao ao range and Muxi Garden courting days, I really have no worries about their married life.
Let's talk damage dealing in LYF! In case people start coming at me about the results of decisions, I am just here talking about original intention. Because with every decided action, nobody can ever know how things will turn out exactly.
In order of damage and not character billing
Tushan Jing : Aims for Minimal Damage, even if targets are hostile Condtion : Must Exclude Xiaoyao
Cangxuan : Aims for Strategic Damage; will marry to avoid Damage Condtion : Can include Xiaoyao ( she is a tough girl, she will fix herself and I will be there )
Xiangliu : Aims for Maximum Damage, world in chaos benefits the Chenrong army Condtion : Can include Xiaoyao ( break now, save her life later )
Fenglong : Tell him where to Damage ( hahaha) Condtion : Cangxuan is the way
currently rewatching and I’m curious about the part where XY is in her bed and XL(FFB) comes in with the mask…
She had her suspicions but she could never be sure because the personalities of FFB and XL are just too different. FFB pretended to be poisoned by her before which made her think he was not XL. But that night she realized her poison had no effect on FFB and when he wanted to take her blood again, she knew for certain that he is XL.
That is yet another tired discussion brought up again and again. Didn't one of your yaoliu fans say decades is…
Its because when I discuss with you, you seem very closed to my points as well isn't it? Which is why I said lets wait. But if you really want to keep going then let's go!
Its obvious to me that you are suggesting that Xiaoyao is not keen to marry Tushan Jing, maybe to you she is still waiting for Xiangliu to come and ask for her hand? So your conclusion is, she doesn't love him at all , or not enough.
I have read the novel and seen the leaked script, and I don't see evidence of this at all. By the time Xiaoyao walked away from Xiangliu in Qingshui town, she made her choice to be Tushan Jing and she was going to go ahead with that choice until the end, no matter how that road turned out. Your suggestion that Xiaoyao was just wavering around hoping for a 'better deal' is pretty insulting to her character - and let's face it, Xiangliu is really not a better deal, considering he is still going to be the enemy of her brother.
My conclusion that Xiaoyao's long engagement to Fenglong and long engagement to Tushan Jing was due to completely different reasons. She definitely dreaded marrying Fenglong. At the time her mindset was waiting for others to rescue her from her situation. She wanted to fulfill her promise and logically she knew FL was the best choice, but her heart resisted it.
But by the time she was set to marry Jing, her mindset is hardly the same. She had grown in character. This was a union she herself fought for. In addition to the medical book project, wasn't there also war and unrest? In a 'normal' world, would anyone want to hold a grand event of their lives in a rushed manner? So those 43 years you are so fixated on, it just happened. In the lives of deities and LYF, decades can pass in the blink of an eye. And Xiaoyao was not lovesick at all, since they were meeting nearly every day. It was a happy and stable time of her life. The only difference was she wasn't officially Mrs Tushan Jing and the two of them are not starting a family yet.
Would you actually consider what I said or scoff and brush me off? hence I suggested waiting since we are both on the opposite ends of this opinion, unable to convince the other.
Just note the drama is going to branch off on its own for S2, so alot of things are going to change.
That is yet another tired discussion brought up again and again. Didn't one of your yaoliu fans say decades is…
Its fine... its not really either of our 'jobs' to convince each other of the how the story goes? Let the actors convince us...Maybe after S2 finished airing and you still have questions, maybe we can look into this again. Right now I can't really answer you because the novel and the drama will actually be in two different branches of reality and I am tired of replying everything but hiding in the spoiler tag. When S2 finishes airing, I will tell you about yaojing's epic love story as much as you are curious about it, with all my stacks of evidence and quotes from novel and the leaked script. Peace.
As the simple yet complicated human being that I am I would like to list my fav things👇🏽Fav character: Xiao…
May I join in the game too?
Fav character(s): Xiao Yao and Tushan Jing My ship: YaoJing Guy I would choose irl: Tushan Jing - rich, talented, great chef, great lover, but will he want me? I can go for Lirong Chang, he seems like a loyal fellow and plenty of fun to be around. Puppy boys can't go wrong right? Character that rubbed off on me: A Nian Character I feel the most sorry for: Heng and Chichen ( boy I cried hard at their chapter ) Characters I would slap if I see them: Cangxuan- I need to slap him for Xiaoyao. Complex character that had my attention: Xiaoyao, Tushan Jing, Xiangliu
You forgot to add that FL comes from 2 wealthy families. In short all of them are from wealthy families except…
XL's foster dad is a general so he could still come from some kind of powerful bg... So make his foster father the police chief and he is sworn to protect his neighbourhood lol
After watching season 1 again I come to say this.... Even XY will not end up with XL but... XY first kiss stolen…
Please allow me to share what I noticed:
Jing is the first man to enter Xiaoyao's bedroom if that is what turns you on. She was talking to him and wouldn't let him leave, and in the novel Jing gently pushed her on the bed and let her hold onto his hair while she continued talking until she fell asleep. He then cut off his hair so that he won't wake her when he left.
I thought the first man Xiaoyao is open about her feelings with was Ye Shiqi. She told her life story to him first after he saved her from Xiangliu's camp after she got lashes on his back.
"First man to give up his one life to save her (not to die with her)" Okay please check this because its misinformation that Xiangliu gave Xiaoyao a life to revive her during the 37 years. @AH
Lovers bugs aside, I am genuinly curious what explaination does YaoJing have for XY delaying setting a wedding…
That is yet another tired discussion brought up again and again. Didn't one of your yaoliu fans say decades is nothing to deities? Isn't it clear that Xiaoyao wanted to finish working on her medical project first before embarking on the next stage of her happily wedded life, and Jing was patient enough to give her all the time she needed?
If you are going to quote Tong Hua, get it right. That isn't even a quote from her. It is someone else talking…
Thanks sooo much!! You are so kind...I just love to talk about LYF but this place was a bit intimidating at first... I hope more fans can talk about other characters too!
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But if you made a parallel of yaojing to TianEr-Chuanzi, where TianEr was definitely desperate for Chuanzi to marry her, won't this mean Xiaoyao would want to marry Chief TSJ immediately in case he slips from her grasp again? In that case, why was she so comfortable waiting for that 43 years?
Contrast this to how she was with Xiangliu, where most of what she said even though was sincere, quite alot of how she said it was meant to butter him up because she was inwardly afraid of making him mad. Even making poisons for him, started because she wanted to keep her Qingshui family safe, and later she wanted to keep Ah Nian safe. It was not a 'pure' gift.
Even with her own brother Cangxuan, I found Xiaoyao often needing to catch herself about what she said with him, and come up with some placating words to appease him when he looked displeased.
As for yaoliu with Ah Heng and Chi-chen, once again I have to disagree.
I did not read Once Promised yet, but I read enough posts to determine that Ah Heng and Chichen actually fell in love before their real identities emerged and became a problem when war begun? In fact, they were actually going to elope.
ChiChen was also very different from Xiangliu. He was proud, confident and he wooed Ah Heng very passionately and directly. Contrast this with Xiangliu who can't let go of himself to try to win Xiaoyao, that was why I never saw yaoliu being the same as that star-crossed couple. Also the 'ending' of Ah Heng and ChiChen was really moving, since ChiChen could literally give up his own heart for the woman he loved.
I suppose Xiangliu did in his own way, gave up a few of his lives for Xiaoyao, but in the end, I think he kept his heart for himself. He remained 'true' to his own aspirations and choices and did not pick Xiaoyao. To me, outsourcing your love and concern to a 'better man' is not the same as deciding to take care of the person you love yourself. I do not care for the 'noble idiot trope' in dramas.
Anyway I would like to thank you for sharing your thoughtful exchanges and your polite responses. I can feel you are sincere in your replies and you are not the same as some of the others who talk to me but I can obviously read their mocking tone.
Cheers! I hope you can still enjoy LYF S2!
Look forward to discussing more with you in future as well!
You can still reply to me if you want, these ending paragraphs is not a 'ending' thread move. I just wanted to say thanks in case you don't reply back to me lol
YAY saw some rumors saying we getting 3 eps tomorrow!! *fingers crossed!*
In that case, what reasons do you think she had for delaying? Do share so I can think about it as we watch S2... sometimes we need new ideas to open our minds to other possibilities. I like this story but sometimes after thinking about something in one way for a long time, I may not see it from another angle.
"He wanted to get marry the sooner the better. I understand that you are a jing fan, but I can't really undertand how her delay sits well with you."
This part is very true, Jing wanted to marry her asap, but as we all know Jing as always willing to wait for Xiaoyao and he will place her wishes first. Even though I am a Jing fan, I also love Xiaoyao, so I am fine with her taking as much time as she needed before the next big step in her life.
In addition, I also think it was TH's writing decision because she wanted to throw in one last big tribulation for this pair to suffer through before the end. If they were already married before he was 'killed', what a difference in storytelling because as his wife, what other choice could Xiaoyao make but wait for him?
Now we will see that Xiaoyao would also be willing to wait indefinitely for Jing, even when things seemed bleak and hopeless. She was even willing to marry 'the air' and become his wife in name.
I loved to see her breaking her own 'rules' for him, because I am a die-hard romantic. But even with this development, we still see people claiming that Xiaoyao didn't love Jing as much as he loved her. Was TH's way to be 'fair' to her character Jing not enough, since so many still are unconvinced by the end that Xiaoyao ended up with him out of a need and not a want? I saw it as both, Xiaoyao needed him but she also wanted him. She lost control of her heart because of him a long while ago.
So yes, I accept Xiaoyao's waiting to get married, as part of the necessary storytelling, because we will get to see her 'growth' and how she would come to learn about herself, and how much she truly loved Jing.
Doing the story this way, Jing too, will also get to know just how much Xiaoyao loves him. Jing maybe in her heart but he has no 'direct access' to really KNOW her feelings for himself first-hand. Like most normal relationships, we all have to do guess work and put in the faith that what we think is the real thing, is real. Much of what Jing had assumed before was actually wrong - one of which was Xiaoyao got over him very quickly.
TH's writing for me, showed that in life, a successful loving relationship is really based on the importance of communication.
I don't doubt Xiangliu loved her in his own way, but he lacked the courage to pursue her or he consciously chose not to pursue her. Either way, he was not open at all, literally, even though supposedly the connection they shared was supposed to help a couple know everything the other felt - he could feel her joy, her pain. In the end, Xiaoyao wasn't even sure if they were considered friends, so what kind of epic love could we speak of? Two one-sided loves? I don't think Xiaoyao is the kind of person to choose to head down that path.
One of the most important thing TH seemed to emphasize on, is how open and honest a couple is with each other, and for me, yaojing met the criteria in this story and I am very happy for this couple.
Considering how badly Xiaoyao wants Jing's kisses and how much they made out during their Cao ao range and Muxi Garden courting days, I really have no worries about their married life.
Let's talk damage dealing in LYF!
In case people start coming at me about the results of decisions, I am just here talking about original intention.
Because with every decided action, nobody can ever know how things will turn out exactly.
In order of damage and not character billing
Tushan Jing : Aims for Minimal Damage, even if targets are hostile
Condtion : Must Exclude Xiaoyao
Cangxuan : Aims for Strategic Damage; will marry to avoid Damage
Condtion : Can include Xiaoyao ( she is a tough girl, she will fix herself and I will be there )
Xiangliu : Aims for Maximum Damage, world in chaos benefits the Chenrong army
Condtion : Can include Xiaoyao ( break now, save her life later )
Fenglong : Tell him where to Damage ( hahaha)
Condtion : Cangxuan is the way
D-1 to LYF S2!!!
FFB pretended to be poisoned by her before which made her think he was not XL. But that night she realized her poison had no effect on FFB and when he wanted to take her blood again, she knew for certain that he is XL.
Its obvious to me that you are suggesting that Xiaoyao is not keen to marry Tushan Jing, maybe to you she is still waiting for Xiangliu to come and ask for her hand? So your conclusion is, she doesn't love him at all , or not enough.
I have read the novel and seen the leaked script, and I don't see evidence of this at all.
By the time Xiaoyao walked away from Xiangliu in Qingshui town, she made her choice to be Tushan Jing and she was going to go ahead with that choice until the end, no matter how that road turned out. Your suggestion that Xiaoyao was just wavering around hoping for a 'better deal' is pretty insulting to her character - and let's face it, Xiangliu is really not a better deal, considering he is still going to be the enemy of her brother.
My conclusion that Xiaoyao's long engagement to Fenglong and long engagement to Tushan Jing was due to completely different reasons.
She definitely dreaded marrying Fenglong. At the time her mindset was waiting for others to rescue her from her situation. She wanted to fulfill her promise and logically she knew FL was the best choice, but her heart resisted it.
But by the time she was set to marry Jing, her mindset is hardly the same. She had grown in character. This was a union she herself fought for. In addition to the medical book project, wasn't there also war and unrest? In a 'normal' world, would anyone want to hold a grand event of their lives in a rushed manner? So those 43 years you are so fixated on, it just happened. In the lives of deities and LYF, decades can pass in the blink of an eye. And Xiaoyao was not lovesick at all, since they were meeting nearly every day. It was a happy and stable time of her life. The only difference was she wasn't officially Mrs Tushan Jing and the two of them are not starting a family yet.
Would you actually consider what I said or scoff and brush me off?
hence I suggested waiting since we are both on the opposite ends of this opinion, unable to convince the other.
Just note the drama is going to branch off on its own for S2, so alot of things are going to change.
Thanks for sharing with me.
Thanks for sharing with me.
Let the actors convince us...Maybe after S2 finished airing and you still have questions, maybe we can look into this again. Right now I can't really answer you because the novel and the drama will actually be in two different branches of reality and I am tired of replying everything but hiding in the spoiler tag. When S2 finishes airing, I will tell you about yaojing's epic love story as much as you are curious about it, with all my stacks of evidence and quotes from novel and the leaked script.
Peace.
Fav character(s): Xiao Yao and Tushan Jing
My ship: YaoJing
Guy I would choose irl: Tushan Jing - rich, talented, great chef, great lover, but will he want me? I can go for Lirong Chang, he seems like a loyal fellow and plenty of fun to be around. Puppy boys can't go wrong right?
Character that rubbed off on me: A Nian
Character I feel the most sorry for: Heng and Chichen ( boy I cried hard at their chapter )
Characters I would slap if I see them: Cangxuan- I need to slap him for Xiaoyao.
Complex character that had my attention: Xiaoyao, Tushan Jing, Xiangliu
How did I get Xiaoyao though, I chose MONEY as my weapon of choice... LOL
Jing is the first man to enter Xiaoyao's bedroom if that is what turns you on.
She was talking to him and wouldn't let him leave, and in the novel Jing gently pushed her on the bed and let her hold onto his hair while she continued talking until she fell asleep.
He then cut off his hair so that he won't wake her when he left.
I thought the first man Xiaoyao is open about her feelings with was Ye Shiqi. She told her life story to him first after he saved her from Xiangliu's camp after she got lashes on his back.
"First man to give up his one life to save her (not to die with her)"
Okay please check this because its misinformation that Xiangliu gave Xiaoyao a life to revive her during the 37 years. @AH
Didn't one of your yaoliu fans say decades is nothing to deities?
Isn't it clear that Xiaoyao wanted to finish working on her medical project first before embarking on the next stage of her happily wedded life, and Jing was patient enough to give her all the time she needed?
There are you convinced? I don't think so.