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I did not say Xiangliu is a green flag why do I have to provide proof for it?
You really make zero sense in your arguments.

You gave me no answers at all. lol

I really don't think we are getting anywhere with the kind of replies you sending me.
Thanks for trying to engage with me but I won't be replying to your posts for the time being.

I hope so because I was here for just a few days and what I noticed was, most of the other fans tend not to speak at all because of the kind of 'welcome' that is shown. I saw insults traded and people being told to shut up just because of different opinions.

I do hope there can be a more balanced discussion of the main story LYF itself. I also plan to rant about other characters when the problematic part of S2 airs, I hope their fans don't come for me then.

Yes that was my take on it. Xiangliu was shown to be suppressing them with his spirit power in Ep19 by the beach.

Also later when Xiaoyao leaves him for Tushan Jing after her botched wedding, it was described that he sent her to the ground in pain with a searing pain through their connection. So my question was, if the heart cannot be in pain like physically stabbing themselves, where then was Xiangliu's pain from?
To me, he had closed his connection to Xiaoyao to spare her from the pain. It was a bad choice to take on the bugs at first without realizing how the future would change things, but he also continued to live with the pain because they are at war and even though it inconvenienced him ( like when he experiences things he rather not ), he would still rather keep the connection for his advantage.

I have no doubt that Xiangliu has come to love Xiaoyao in his own capacity. Maybe it cannot surpass his loyalty for Hongjiang but I won't say his love is fake.

As for how the bugs work, it was never clearly mentioned.
All the novel described was, the bugs was a means for a couple to live and die together. It was more to prevent a man from betraying the woman with a change of heart. As for how they work, nobody really knew anymore. And because the bugs would become heartbreak bugs, the women who planted it also didn't plant it lightly on just anyone.

But if Xiaoyao's side was functioning fine and she had no backlash, what my understanding was her bugs are sustained by his love, but his is not. Otherwise if the bugs had became heartbreak bugs for both of them, Xiaoyao without much spirit power would be in much more pain than just her heartache over her breakup. And if both are sustained by mutual love, why was Xiangliu in more pain?

Anyway I am not sure how the couple bugs really work so I am just sharing what I am wondering about. Maybe in S2 its clearer but even though I read some of the leaked script, I didn't really see anything more illuminating.

I sincerely appreciate your reply and not just telling me that the name tells it all.

Again, you are the ones who are making your claim based on the name alone. You have no other response except this? If the couple bugs was truly functioning the way it is supposed to be, why is Xiangliu in pain?
You can't even tell me he was not in pain, because we were clearly shown that he was in pain.

What is true love? This is the theme and question that many dramas seek to ask.
True love should be open, the two people should be able to rely on each other at all times. They should love and respect each other, share their thoughts with each other, help each other along in life. I don't think we see that with Xiaoyao and Xiangliu.

As far as I can tell, what Xiaoyao has for Xiangliu is not romantic love. She has not ever been jealous over him, being physically attracted to him, or ever wanted to possess him for herself.
He always goaded her on, playing to her competitive spirit. Xiaoyao was sincere in her actions towards him but she was also clear not to lead him on. For that I am glad the author did not go down that path, because that would have been unfair and cruel for Xiangliu.

By the end of S1, it was quite clear that the two of them are in a comfortable 'friendzone'. I don't think things will change drastically in S2, but somehow you are the stubborn people who keep repeating your unchangeable views without actual evidence, while overlooking what was obviously a big sign that the couple bugs are not happy at all.

What I know is I surely don't agree with your definition of 'true love'. True love needs hard work from both parties.

Some people really seem to think this drama is starring Xiangliu, when Tonghua has said repeatedly that it is about Xiaoyao and Cangxuan, the war orphans that is the next generation of her prequel Once Promised 曾许诺.

Some people really seem to think this drama is starring Xiangliu, when Tonghua has said repeatedly that it is about Xiaoyao and Cangxuan, the war orphans that is the next generation of her prequel Once Promised 曾许诺.

Jing is the 'plot device' which shows that a proper relationship does not depend on a cheat hack like the couples bug. Without it, Jing can still follow Xiaoyao willingly in death, he did not require the bug to kill him along with her.
He also does his best to communicate with her and understand her, and she with him. Xiaoyao has always tried to be truthful with him, except when they were broken up.

What is interesting to me is, Xiangliu had this perfect connection all set up, but for his own reasons and purposes, chose to close off his side to Xiaoyao, since to you he is selfless and not interested to pursue a relationship with her.

"She never felt anything from him" that was the description. So Tong hua was teaching us that for a relationship to flourish, you need to communicate. Otherwise, even if you are linked by heart, you still don't really know each other.

Today I was discussing about Xiaoyao's heart.

You are the ones who made it all about Xiangliu.
Since this main page everyone is talking about him, I thought I could join in too. Or does one need to be a Xiangliu 'fan' before we are allowed to comment about him?

My question exactly is how is it 'undeniable'?
Even Tong hua made sure that no character could actually tell how the couple bugs work in the novel or the drama.
But it appears that Xiangliu fans just happen to know more than the canon information provided.

Can you explain where the excruciating pain Xiangliu is experiencing coming from?
Xiaoyao's heartache is painful but its not as bad as what floored her in the later chapter. So tell me, where is the love?

I have replied to other fans other than you. You know better what kind of attitude you bring. Don't try to play the victim card with me.

If you truly had a real answer, I don't think you would type so much drivel instead of just handing me the answer to shut me up if you could.

So you just have no answer. That's clearly obvious.

So don't engage with me. Its a free world.
I have interacted with other nicer fans here than you.

Seriously you have already given me too much of your attention. Thanks. But please don't reply my posts if all you have to say are complaints.

If you want quotes I got quotes. If you really have 'evidence' then bring it. Just make sure its actually what I am asking and not regurgitation of what you read on weibo please.

You do realize that you have said so much to me over the past hours and not one reply addressed the couple bug backlash question? You have no answer to that, not because you don't see fit to reply me.

Don't worry, I am just new to MDL.
I will do my best to write more about Jing but I don't think you want to read it.

I am first and foremost, a Lost you forever fan :)
Yaojing is just my preferred ship and I get mad at all characters at different points of time too.

Xiaoliu lying to Xiangliu was evidence that she didn't truly trust him yet, so this only shows to me there is no 'love' at this moment.

And what was she supposed to do? Xiaoliu actually had no intention of ever returning to Haoling. Why would she go around telling others, especially someone she just met for a few years about her true identity?
If she had to explain her mother had given her the manual about how to raise poisonous bugs, won't she worry about Xiangliu taking her hostage to get Xiyan to do his bidding?

My post just pointed out how Xiangliu got into Xiaoyao's heart.
The novel and drama made it such a big deal that it was not easy to get in because of the hard shell around her heart etc, and that was my observation about how he got in.

As you have pointed out, it was also kind of meant to be. LYF is a xianxia story with deities etc but Tonghua needed a way to give her female lead multiple lives without bringing in reincarnation as a storytelling tool, so Xiangliu's multiple lives achieved this.

I think Xiangliu is fond of Wen Xiaoliu and he agreed to take it on at the time, thinking eventually maybe they will become closer and it will all work out. But seeing how he was suffering from the backlash of it later on, I can't say it was a good decision for him personally.

Basically my argument is that something was installed and it was not stated to Xiaoliu in the terms and conditions. Even if we normally don't read everything in the TnCs, I am sure there will be outrage if something was deliberately left out without our knowledge.

In addition to my previous reply, here is another thought.

To reassure her mother that she is going to be fine and be happy with Tushan Jing, do you consider telling her parent that ' This guy is dependable and will never leave me.' vs 'I just love him so much Mother.' Which is going to set Heng's heart more at ease?

As far as I can see, TH also showed there is no absolute thing as 'he will never leave me? She also proved to us that in the event when TSJ did 'leave' her, what Xiaoyao's response was.

Are we supposed to only take what other people say as gospel?
Are we not capable of our own independent thought?

If Yangzi said something, I suppose it must be absolute!
Yangzi also said that Xiangliu was career minded, which I disagreed with. Do you agree with that assessment?
Isn't Xiangliu committed to his foster father's cause but he was not doing it for a 'career' at all?

You cannot address my question about the couple bug and all you do is mock me. You claim they are in love but cannot explain why there is backlash and pain. So if there is backlash, where is that love you claim?

Its true that Xiaoliu wanted to plant the bug in Xiangliu without his consent first, but it was definitely not out of any romantic intention. She was actually so afraid of him and if he will harm her family that she wanted a way to control him.

She had thought it was a normal poisonous bug which she can control him using pain, since her poisons have all failed on him.

Also later on when she asked him to take it on, she even considered that it was because he shouldn't be too affected by the pain since its divided by his nine heads.
In the novel its even described as, she thought since he was a snake demon, he would have an affinity with bugs.

I wonder why she didn't consider asking Tushan Jing to take the bug for her? He did promise to help her with it many times. My guess is she just don't want him to be in pain because of her. Also probably at the time, she already planned to cut ties with him as well. It was too big a favor to ask. She thought Jing was leaving and at least Xiangliu would be with her in Qingshui town.

My big problem is, Xiangliu knows exactly what bug it was, but he chose not to tell her. She might have thought of another way if she knew what kind of bug it was.

You have sent me alot of replies under my post, 5 replies in fact.
All in mocking tone, no answers.
I have yet to see even one line addressing what my original post was talking about.

So Xiangliu didn't cheat his way into Xiaoyao's heart? Did he earn his way in? He didn't get direct unauthorized access by not telling her what kind of bug she is transferring to him?

All is see is diversion.

Again, that was not something I personally said to you? I am new to MDL. So why are you throwing that in my face?
What has that to do with what I am asking here?

Describing my opinion as 'poop' is so friendly, yeah I totally feel all warm and fuzzy on this page. Bet you just want different voices gone so you can populate the page with all your 'hard facts'.