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They can literally live in the same neighborhood to see each other often 😂, but all of them have things to learn that they can only do if they take the time to live alone and deal with it personally.

I'm actually really curious what will Woojoo do about the house. I'm mostly interested if she will tell siblings about it. She called the mom, but honestly speaking it's the siblings that should know the most, since the house is literally under the 3 of them, split equally. So this is literally not a situation where Woojoo had the right to make any decisions on her own, not just morally, but legally. I'm glad she told the mom, that's the improvement, because up till now her preferable choice of action was making decisions herself and either not sharing them with others, or enforcing them with no room for discussion (mostly the youngest brother).

I'm also curious how "far" will Dongjin go with dealing with his mother. He slowly stops being so passive about his surroundings, so I'm curious what type of a person he will be and what choice he will make when he decides to be more active in his approach. We can see the direction he is taking, but I'm curious how far is he willing to go with it.

The whole "Woojoo is too near to Dongjin" seems to be an excuse for her hurt ego because of Jun's loyalty to WJ... < I think one can exist with the other. She can have more than one motivation for it. I don't think she is just using Woojoo as an excuse. But I also think she wants to move for more than one reason. She sees how much Woojoo is struggling because of Dongjin and the situation, and she herself is struggling because of her situation with Jun, so for her moving out seems like the best choice for both of them.

I think this situation actually shows how HS and WJ are truly sisters and have many similarities. They both tend to make decisions on their own for people in their lives, that they deem as the best choices. WJ with how the youngest brother should live his life, WJ with deciding to never tell anyone about what happened (coz that was her plan, end it with Dongjin and never tell her family the truth). And HS with now moving out. They both should learn to listen to each other and people around them.

As for the moving out, personally I think they should all move out separately 😅 Woojoo needs to learn how to take care of herself more and start to live her life for her own. Hye Seong needs to learn how to be alone, because she is emotionally really dependent on people (like with her not being able to eat alone for such a long time), and Ji Gu needs to start learning some adulting and responsibilities of taking care for himself in the most basic manner (food, paying bills etc.).

She literally was ready to not only ruin Dongjin but also his best friend who was co-ceo and make all the people working in the company jobless.
Them not wanting to have anything to do with him is far less extreme than her wanting to ruin him hurting Innocent people as a result 😅

I think that's why it's quite different and not correct to say the two families' situation is the same, coz it was both Woojoo's dad and Dongjin's mom who cheated and ruined the families. Because the dad is dead so he is literally not part of the picture anymore. He cannot create more issues, he is not a constant reminder of the painful past. While the bish mom is still fine and creating more issues.

Woojoo literally had months to understand the situation and her feelings, while the family was dropped with that info out of the blue. We need to remember Woojoo was not so nice and understanding towards Dongjin from the start either. She did not try to see it from his perspective. Her plan was literally to ruin his life as a revenge for what his mother did. Why are we "forgiving" her for that, while also criticizing Woojoo's family for reacting in literally the same fashion Woojoo reacted in the past? I would even say Woojoo was more wrong. Coz while the family just does not want to have Dongjin in their lives and that sit (I honestly do not think they hate him, and they did not really say one bad word about him), Woojoo was on the mission to ruin him.

Their reaction finding out who Dongjin is is literally more tamed than Woojoo's in the past.

I feel like I have quite a different take on what happened in episodes 13 and 14 because I don't really see Woojoo and Dongjin as these blameless victims that need to be protected, but rather as adults who should take responsibility for their actions (just like every other character in this show). No one is just a victim or just an asshole here (except for Dongjin's mom, nothing good about her).

Like Dongjin unintentionally supported his mother toxic and bad behavior by always supporting her financially when she was in need. Bish did not have to worry about and mature, because all the bad consequences of her actions fell on Dongjin. His passive behavior was part of the problem and he did not take any steps to fix it on his end until last episode. Yes, he is still a victim of the toxic family situation, but he also made it possible for this toxic behavior to last so long. Both can be true at the same time.

About his relationship with Min Young - he was also partially at fault. I mean, they were dating for years and he kept refusing when she wanted to meet his family, without giving any explanation. On her side it could literally make it seem like he does not want her to be part of his family. Like he does not want their relationship to go any deeper. Him trying to "protect" her from his family made him closed emotionally. I would feel like my partner does not trust me enough to share their pain and issue with me. A relationship cannot work out like that.

Woojoo was the backbone of her family, but she also disregarded what her family wants based on her perception of what is better. Her family was supposed to act in the way she planned for them (especially in terms of her younger brother) and that was the only way she accepted. It's not really different from how Hye Seong making decision they should all move out now, because she sees it as the best for them all.

Woojoo's "revenge" was at the end a bad decision, impulsive and driven by the strong negative emotions she had towards woman AND HER SON. People forgot Woojoo herself HATED Dongjin. She wanted to see him suffer just as much as she suffered. It took her quite some time to get to know him and understand his side. But people expect Woojoo's family to accept him right away and not be against their relationship, as if WOOJOO HERSELF did not have strong negative feelings towards him. She had time to see the complexity of the situation and deal with the conflicting feelings to some extend, her family deserves the same. Why can she go on a foolish revenge trip for months no issue, but her family cannot have strong negative reaction to this mess for some time? I mean, Woojoo initially had no issue ruining more than one person's life, since if the firm went down, the co-ceo would also be ruined and all the workers would lost their job. Why can she act selfish because of her negative feelings and people don't point it out, but her family cannot?

Yoon Joon's issue was being too loyal to Woojoo. What kind of best friend lets their friend to all that crazy shit (coz no one can tell me the revenge was a normal and healthy thing to do) and still let them do it with all the new complications showing up. Not one he had a really tough but honest conversation with her. He always let it slide when she kept pushing further into future when she will end it, when it will stop. He should have told her to either end it with Doojin, or some clean to her family. But he did not. At the end of the day, he is not only friends with Woojoo. He treats all siblings like his own family. His situation was quite similar to Dongjin - him being passive about it all made the situation worse.

Min Young should have been more honest with her feelings. Like, damn both her and Dongjin completely sucked at communicating when they were together. He completely cut her off from important part of his life, but she also never really told him honestly how it makes her feel, never told him about her meeting the mother. Never told him about her doubts and fears after she did.

Hye Seong just let things pass when she feels overwhelmed. We need to remember (as it was stated in newest ep) that she was in fact taking care of Woojoo and Ji Gu after the mom left and they were still in high school. She was left to deal with the initial crisis, and only after Woojoo graduated from high school she started to take over the responsibilities. The siblings called her when there were issues, it clearly suggest she was the one to deal with them. Not to mention, pretty sure financially speaking she puts the most money into the family since she is the only one with a stable job (not like Woojoo can make much money from part time and internship). Her issue is the fact she wants to deal with things right away or not at all. That's why she jumps into action, because she cannot stand the feeling of uncertainty. That's why she always talks with people honestly about her feelings right away. And that's selfish, because her motivations are often more driven by wanting to make herself feel better, than to actually be fair to the other person by being honest.

She should learn from Woojoo that at times it's better to take one or two days to think things through before making a decision, and Woojoo should learn from Hye Seong that she should be more more honest about her feelings - no one is mind reader, they won;t know how you feel, what you think, what you plan to do, unless you tell them. They are both flawed in a completely opposite sides.

As for Sun Woo - realistically speaking, he had no reasons to even accept Woojoo asking to wait before she tells the truth, not only that, he had no reasons to even trust any word she says after what he found out. It's not like she explained the situation to him. She did not. Sun Woo telling Dongjin the truth was driven by his loyalty towards his friend, just like Jun not telling Woojoo's family was driven by his loyalty towards her. We all prioritize some people over others. So did he.

For me, this is a truly fascinating situation that makes me want to look at it from the perspective of all the characters and wonder what ALL of them could have done differently. All of the characters made some wrong decisions, none of the characters is blameless here. Why? Because they are humans and all humans have flaws.

I think a lot of people in this comment section forgets how collectivist Korea is and how high they value family. The moment you remember that, everyone's choice make far more sense.

My issue with Hye Seong is not the fact that she told the family the truth, but that she did not give Woojoo chance to do it. I honestly believe Woojoo would not do it at the end, and keep delaying the time to tell as far as she can (as she did with quitting the job, ending it with Dongjin etc,), and in this scenerio, I would have no issue with Hye Seong telling them the truth. I truly believe they had the right to know since they got involved with Dongjin. They had the right to know who he is and made their own judgement if they want to have him as part of their lives or not. If they never met Dongjin, it would be a whole different situation, and then it should be 100% Woojoo's choice if she wants them to know what happened or not.

The situation is not as easy as - he is her son, but he is also the victim here so they should be able to date no issues. Because if they would get married, his mother would legally be part of their family... How awful it would make them feel? The woman that ruined their family now officially being part of their family? This is yet another reason why I think everyone involved should know the truth. Because the truth and Woojoo's choices are affecting them.

As for the moving out bit - I guess making decisions for everyone, coz you think they are the best choice for them runs in the family, because this is exactly how Woojoo was handling the family up till now (especially with the younger brother).

At the end of the day all the characters, Woojoo and Jun and literally everyone included made choices for others that they thought were correct, which stripped the other person of making said choice themselves. It's something that is painfully common in real life. And it comes down to what one values more - freedom of choice, or avoiding being hurt. For me, I rather know the bad truth than live in a lie. So for me, for example the fact Woojoo and Jun did not want to tell the family the truth (if it was not exposed) was wrong and I cannot side with them here.

knowing your little sister is carrying the entire responsibility of the family < this is not true. Yes, at some point Woojoo started to "organized" their lives, but it was clearly stated that when mom left the oldest sister was the head of the family and both younger siblings were relying on her and calling her for help when something happened.

I also STRONGLY disagree that hiding the truth was a good choice and "good for the family" when the mother was literally ready to set Woojoo up with Dongjin, inviting him for dinner and sending him food at work. Same with younger brother who truly liked him. It would not be easy to just "end it". I also don't believe anyone should be making choice for others if they should know the truth or not. It's not Woojoo's nor Hye Seong place to decide for the mom and the younger brother if they should or should not know the truth. It would be a different story if they never met Dongjin, then yes, it's up to Woojoo to decide. But the moment they also got involved, they had the right to know who is that person they are welcoming in their lives, taking into consideration the messy and complex situation.


you live in your sister’s bestfriend’s < you make it seem as if Hye Seong was not Jun's friend too. There were all friends. It was not just Jun and Woojoo being friends and Hye Seong and the younger brother just there coz of Woojoo.

Hye Seong acts towards Woojoo exactly like Woojoo was acting towards her youngers brother - forcing the choice they think are correct. They are/were both misguided by their good intentions. Coz Hye Seong's intentions are good. She sees how much Woojoo is suffering and how everything reminds her of Dongjin and how high is the probability of them meeting, so from her perspective, moving is the right choice.

And as for the comment below, I don;t think anyone hates him. It's not about them hating him, it's the fact that of Woojoo would truly end up with him, his mother would also become part of the family and that just feels from for them (understandably).

yeah didn't the mother literally almost died coz of cancer? Or some other serious sickness after the dad left? I think it was clear this was the main reason they hated the dad so much, because they blamed him for the mother getting sick (more than the whole cheating).

As for the older sister - it's far more complicated. It would be whole different story if Woojoo was meeting him and he never met anyone from the family. But in the situation when the younger bother started to treat him as his hyung, the mom was on her path to set Woojoo up with him - they also had the right to know who he is (like the brother got hurt because he literally bowed and was polite to the woman that ruined their family, thing that would not happen if he knew the truth from the start). The same way Woojoo has the right to decide what she wants to do in terms of her relationship with Dongjin, her family has the right to know who he is and if they want to even welcome him in the family etc.

the only issue I had with Hye Seong telling mom was the fact she did not give that chance to Woojoo first. She should tell her - spill the truth or I will. My issue was the fact she took that chance from Woojoo. Same with Sun Woo telling Dong Jin about Woojoo's schemes.

As for Hye Seong saying they will move out - it's exactly the same as when Woojoo was forcing the younger brother to quit singing. Both thought they were making good choice for the benefit of the other person.

My issue with Hye Seong being the one who told the mom is simple: she should have first tell Woojoo to come clean and give her the chance to explain the situation first. If Woojoo refused or kept putting it for the future, I would have no issue with Hye Seong telling mom herself. Even if she was 100% sure Woojoo would not say anything, I think she deserved to at least made that choice no to tell and then face the consequences. It just does not sit well with me that everyone took that chance from her.

As for Dongjin and his mother, it's rather obvious by what he said in last episode, he does not really have loyalty towards her or feel any love towards her. I think he truly let her got when he decided to give back the testament. I mean, he is basically sending the mom to jail. Because the house was sold, so for Woojoo and her family to get it back, they will have to go to court and the mom and her schemes will be exposed. Unless they give up the house, but Dongjin did not know that when he decided to expose the truth.

I don't think she meant she was giving up him, but rather giving up her own romantic feelings to him AND their relationship, and that includes their friendship. She said: let's meet just twice a year and that's it. She tried to put her feelings aside and be friends with him again, but then the whole Woojoo situation happened and it was too much for her to handle. She already did not feel the best with the fact he did not like her, but as she said - the idea of always at any situation being reminded she is 2nd most important would just make her feel like shit because she would feel jealous of her own younger sister. Her whole mentality was not just giving up Jun, it was giving up everything and starting new.

the issue is not the fact crazy exes are unrealistic, coz yes, sadly there are women like that, yes at her age, some going even further than she did so far. The issue is, they are part of the plot in so many dramas it starts to seem like a "norm" when it real life it's not. While some women would act like that, most women would not. But in dramas most exes act like that.

I enjoyed them a lot, but I also feel like the editing was quite bad in eps 3&4. While first two episodes had this amazing indie vibe production wise, eps 3&4 at times just looked unprofessional because of the poorly placed cuts and how the scenes transitioned.

yeah... I think the editing is the weakest part of the show

I guess it comes from the series being an edit of a movie. < it really does not tho hahaha coz they can just edit in the same scene they ended up 2 on, as a set up for the kiss 😅😅 they can literally use them same footage.

I mean... Jae Won obviously has issues, so him dating a trash like that is not exactly that surprising 🤡

the way Jae Won kissed him and then got up and left like nothing happened 🤡

It's a thing universal to all countries: one thinks that as long as they speak slow and loud the foreigners who don't speak their language will somehow understand them 🤣🤣

I adore Jae Won and Yoon Won. I could just watch them drink, eat pizza and talk about life for all episodes. Make it a podcast. Yo but imagine! Like... special content for shows - podcasts with the characters, as a way to promote the show! How awesome that would be!

Okay one complaint - i dislike how they end and start next episode. How ep 3 started right from the kiss, it lacked that buildup, they should have just add the set up to this scene from the previous ep. And now ep 4... these just don't flow well for me...

Jae Won is playing push and pull HARD! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Jae Won has such a shitty friends, Can he stop trying to set him up with his ex? for fuck sake.

I'm Jae Won... his therapy sessions hit hard 😅

yo that was such an awkward fade to black ending for the episode 🤡🤡🤡🤡

But that's kind of the point. In this fantasy word, humans are weak... hence Khatha and Dome ae weak. I don't think anyone says it makes no sense overall (I have some issues with how it was presented, but it's more production and less writing issue), that they are not weak. They are just stating the fact. There are explanations why they are weak, but at the end of the day... they are weak.

Are they taken hostage? None of them seems excited... not even interested in being there 🤣
I never seen teenage boys with less energy than this opening shot 😅
K-Soul is my favorite. He is something else hahahah 🙂

Jeon So Yeon's outfit is barely a dress 🤣 she looks amazing, but she brave to wear it coz dam there is many ways for it to expose a bit too much on screen 🤡

Auditions:
Junwon - The color of his voice fits the song, but his runs seem a bit unstable. Really good with expressing the vibe of the song with his moves tho! Big moves, good waves. Preparing dance and song was risky tho. I get he wanted to show two sides of himself, but at the end of the day the judges have no idea if he can keep up vocally while dancing at the same time.

TK - wait... he said his singing is better and he was singing for 2 years? How is he so bad 🤣🤣🤣 I am legit shocked. Poor guy, he obviously got into the show to be the joke of it. It's not like he made mistake, he literally is tone deaf. He cannot hear the pitch. Kang Seung Yoon went: his pronunciation is part of the problem. Me be like: that's his last problem lol

(side note: the editing is so bad, they already show trainees in 1st grade without showing their performance. and they show like one line of the evaluation without explanation of what the judges meant lol)

Minseo - he is mid so the beginning of the song was rather unstable, but the chorus was fine, except literally few higher lines. I don;';t think it was a good choice for the solo performance tho, this song benefits a lot from the group energy. I think he picked it simply because the traditional theme fitted his sword performance. But he did really good with dancing.

Hyeontae - I had to pause after first line. What an amazing vocal! AND HE HAS SUCH A VIBE WHEN HE IS DACING TOO! AMAZING! THIS CHILD WILL GO PLACES!

Daehyeon - the way he went to So Yeon while singing 🤣 While he sang well, this is not exactly the type of voice I personally like. Also, that's kind of a weird song to pick, coz it has rather old fashioned vibe, completely not fitting idol image. They also TRIED to make his dancing look better with all the slow mo and editing during the verse (coz the choreo there is rather stationary, made to look good with more members not as a solo act). The chorus was real good tho. side note: i am so bored with abs in kpop...

Jinmyung - ahhh... the dancing was messy. really messy. the rap was fine ish? it was not relaxed enough tho. I felt like he struggled to keep up.

The survival shows this year are especially gay 👍🏻

Woonseok - HIS SISTER IS SUZY? WHAT A TWIST OMG. omg... this guy... he good. got everyone interested and then managed to promote his sister's group lol Okay performance wise it was fine, but I had small issue with his expressions. It was either really intentional like wink, smile etc, but between them his face looked... bored? and it kind of drained the energy out of the performance.

Shiryu - sljgkghrh oof what a beautiful lines when dancing. yes. thank you. The verse singing was great... but then he ad-lib was 😶 maybe because i don't really like nasal high notes...

K-Soul - wait... he is singing live? Coz i am not sure 😅 he is not singing live right?, no way hahaha he barely open his mouth with we here rather open sound hahaha His dancing is fine tho. Personality wise, I love him. I love how confident he is, but he is also trying to encourage other trainees! okay but was it live singing or not? Or was it slightly edited later? Coz it just did not match his movements lol

Hikaru - good singing! he is goooooood! This choreo is such a killer. Deserves the rank he got for sure!

Jaeyeong - He has good voice, this this is such an old fashioned way of singing, especially how he ends notes with this really strong vibratto hahahaha I think he just picked the wrong song, and he would be a lot better with something softer lol dude was like - learn singing a lot, all these hours for 2 years... Like, he sings well for someone who never trained, but with this training this is the level he got to? His personality tho, it's so funny 🤣

Pete K. - That was A+ in terms of rap. He did not get 1st grade coz he did not really show his dancing.

Sungmin - I just love idols who seem possessed on the stage. Love this guy.

Sure it's low, but it would be still higher than if he cannot fight at all 🤣🤣

You don't have to be violent to train your body and fighting skills. You can use your fighting skills only for defense. For me there were just too many fighting scenes shown, when no one actually knew how to fight. And that's a thing I can accept when there is reason to show it - hyperrealism (since most people on the planet don't really know how to fight) or to showcase the weakness of the character. So if these were no the cases here, I feel like they could have approach the fight scenes differently, since it is a fantasy show after all.

Both him and Dome are physically weak characters. That's a fact, and that's what most people talk about. Or at least that's what I mean. dome could not control nor handle his power so he passed out almost every episode, and Khatha got beaten up by almost all characters.