Kate

about the webtoon

So I read the whole webtoon after episode 1 (because I was this annoyed with Jo Tae Hyun and wanted to find out if I even want to watch the rest of the show), and while I do think it's rather good coming of age type of a story, I'm not on board with the romance of it all for two reasons (does not make the whole story bad, planty good stories with questionable romances, not everything has to be sweet). I'm also curious if the drama will stick to what was shown in webtoon or change a few aspects.

1. While Jo Tae Hyun got a fair explanation of his behavior, Lee Da Yeol was basically: this guy is good looking hence I fell in love with him even tho initially he treated me poorly. He then started to care about him when he found out TH is dealing with many things, but when and why it turned into love? I don't think it was conveyed in a proper way.

2. That bonus chapter is basically internal narration from TH about his insecurities and fears and him concluding he will not share them with DY, and will just act as a good boy to not lose him, and they trying to distract DY with sex when he is honestly asked about his feelings, likes and dislikes. And I just cannot see any future in this relationship. It's not even a bitter sweet ending.

That said, I think I actually appreciate the writer ending the webtoon on that note, as it's more realistic. It shows that no, love cannot heal you. It can be great source of strength and support, but it's not the solution. Sometimes love can even hold you back from healing, since it makes you focus on the other person more, instead of first dealing with your own issues.

So I'm curious if the webtoon with go this way, or make it more happy by the end. As of now, the drama is far more chill and cheerful, they toned down the "bullying" and the potential consequences, they made them friendly faster - it's overall more light.

your desire for young men to remove their facial and body hair as a sign of masculinity < I never said I have a desire for young men to remove their facial and body hair (I never talked about overall body hair at all in the first place). I find clean shaved men more attractive, does not mean I desire young men to remove their hair. To be honest, I could not give less fucks what teens do (since this whole discussion is about teenagers) with their facial hair, since I do not view them as potential partners. Their facial hair could not be of a less concern for me.

but you want them to look "cute and pretty," < I said I find this specific actors cute and pretty, I never said I want men to look cute and pretty.

So the one lying is you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You purposefully pick and choose specific fragments of what I said to misrepresent my points.

I could not care less whenever you believe I have masters in psychology or not ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Do teens turn into adults at the stroke of midnight on their 18th birthday < never said they did

your desire for young men to remove their facial and body hair as a sign of masculinity < never said it

but you want them to look "cute and pretty," < never said it

And that would conclude the "discussion" because you reply to statements I never made, so it's a massive waste of time.

"Kate" just stated in a message to me that she likes her BL actors to be "cute and pretty." Case closed. < no i did not. learn how to read. I specified I am not attracted to these specific actors in this specific BL, and that I find these specific actors cute. People can literally read my reply, why lie and look dumb? 🤡

I'm sorry if you find me, a grown up woman not being attracted to teens (since that's the age of the characters) weird. I will take it as a compliment 👍🏻

Yes, tell me more. i guess I need to put my clinical and neuropsychology diploma in trash and just sign for your lectures explaining developing in humans 👍🏻

What teens do with teens is one thing. What adults do with teens is another. That's what age of consent is about. OP complaining about how sexless BLs are under a high school show which was never even made with her as a middle age woman as a target audience in mind is just weird.

But you both do you, be pressed about lack of hair follicle ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Did I even say I am attracted to them? 😅 I find them cute and pretty, but they are not my type. I am not attracted to any of the actors in this show. Don't put shit in my mouth.

For me being an adult is more than being past puberty. For one - your brain gotta be developed, which it is not at the age of 18 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


and you literally said it yourself: ADOLESCENT puberty. Adolescence does not mean adulthood. It is literally the stage of development BEFORE adulthood 👍🏻

I'm not, but it's also true as quotes in studies, that East Asian men have less thick facial hair, it grows slower, later etc. Hyperfocusing on the fact they don't have facial hair and don't like men enough is just weird. Them not showing facial hair is the same as actors having overall "perfect" skin on screen. Having wrinkles, blemishes, dark circles - all natural normal things, but we don't see them in shows. Nothing about shows in realistic. All these people have make up on, hair perfectly done, as idols to go on painfully restrictive diets to be this slim. Being this pressed about the not showing facial hair I find weird.

I don't think this conversation leads to anything,. I mean you expect teenage boys to "look like adults". You hyperfocus on the facial hair aspect. Maybe I am weird not seeing teens as proper adults and men.

I would agree that often they cast way too young actors for older roles and then make them look even younger with make up, so we get "CEO" that looks like he just graduated high school, BUT this drama is LITERALLY not the case. They are supposed to be young teen boys, not adult men. If you want your leads to look like men, not teens, watch dramas about adults not teenage boys.

As such, I expect my romantic leads to look like adults as well. < I would advice you then to not watch high school romance 👍🏻

"Asian men grow lighter beards compared to European and American men. As per a study, East Asian people, including Koreans, grow sparser facial hair because of a variant of the EDAR gene. Common variations of this gene are associated with hair thickness and straightness in East Asians."
https://manmatters.com/blog/why-koreans-dont-have-beard/ < the whole article with linked studies.

And again, this discussion would make more sense under a show about GROWN UP MEN, not teenage boys. They cast guys who look the proper age. Damn, even in my country most 18 years old teens would not be able to grow a beard and had close to zero facial hair. They fit the characters. Them casting guys who have full on obvious facial hair would literally be less realistic in terms of the characters' age.

You don't see any "black dots" even for most actors in their 30' and 40'. Beards are not exactly popular in Korea. I honestly don't think it's that deep, and I honestly hope people don't spend too much time wondering whenever idols had or did not have erections and how many times. That's weird.

At the end of the day these guys are playing teenage boys, not a grown up men ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ They look the proper age for the roles. If you look at the high school year book photos from idols (since these are easily accessible on the internet), this is literally how highschoolers (on the better looking side) look like in Korea.

Many idols do laser hair removal so often you would not see any on the face even with close ups. And these guys are idols.

"Hamster and the cat" by Kate the Clown

I might be a senior by age,
But I have in me a child like rage.
I have this predatory disposition,
Tormenting you is my life mission.
Deep down I'm just an emo boy
Who does not have in life much joy.
You are a hamster that want to run away
I'm like a playful cat, see you as my prey.

Now that I summed up the dynamics of the show, to the thoughts about episode 2 - love how they downplaying everything that happened in episode 1 and the fake SA accusation 🤡
After episode 1 I wanted the show to explore Tae Hyun more because I was curious what kind of "explanation" for his behavior they will give, but at some point I started to be more interested in Da Yeol coz this child makes even less sense 😅
also, the drama is A LOT MORE CHILL with the "bullying" compared to the webtoon.

If someone tackles serious issues, they need to make sure the idea is conveyed in a proper way. Since so many people see what Tae Hyun did and is doing as a playfully and funny and not that serious, the production team obviously failed to make it "a serious real story" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Oh that's why I said it makes sense for the character, but not for the romance part lol Coz that explanation is solid, why he keeps pushing and why he is such a dick to Da Yeol - they do explain it well. But it still makes no sense why Da Yeol starts to have feelings for Tae Hyun. The webtoon explains Tae Hyun well, but for Da Yeol it's just - because it is what it is lol

Like... they try to explain his behavior, and I do think they did a decent job and it does make sense from the perspective of the character, BUT for me that explanation ruins the romance and for me this should never happen 😅

"bully with sad back story" < this is because Heart was not really bullying. He used Li Ming to get away from trouble because he also thought it will not cause much harm to Li Ming, he also did not do anything wrong towards Li Ming after. While Tae Hyun is literally so entertained about making Da Yeol feel uncomfortable, angry and frustrated.

I read the whole webtoon yesterday and... the story is a bit juveniles tbh. I feel like nothing is taken truly as seriously as it should.