Kate

Well sure. Just next time check your info before confidently stating no other idol makes a cut based on your standard and that's why no one cares if they participate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

They do. Both Nu'est and CLC did make it to top100 with their songs, CLC getting even in top10 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I feel like Hui gets more hate for participating than other idols who also had established fanbases and debuted again in shows like that: Hwang Min Hyun, Choi Yu Jin as examples. This happened in most of survival shows, but the negative reaction was never this strong so I'm trying to figure out what's different this time compared to previous ones.

Also, about the other reply. Sure, you made it clear where you think the line should be, thank you since you did answer my question.

Putting aside the votes, I think the bigger problem is the editing. Because mnet cannot really control how people on set will vote, but they do control editing. And for almost all groups they showed how bad the G trainees did during the practice, while showing how well K group was doing (which was for sure not the case, they just selected the "right" takes). And it creates the image that G trainees are worse. Even if they do better in the actual performance, people still have the image of them doing bad during the practice so they don't fully trust the stage itself...

No i don't know what you mean, that's why i ask the questions, to find out. I asked you a simple question: what is the line where someone should not participate. You said: anyone who ever debuted, only trainees. And you said Girls Planet had only trainees which is NOT true ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I just want a clarification, where is the acceptable line for you, that's all.

Clearly he does not have the platform to make it if he is in the show 😅 He literally said that all the people he contacted to work with after his military service turned him down ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also, I'm really confused how people are against Hui so much, but I don't see the same sentiment about Kim Ji Woong. It's not like he is just an actor, he also had some years of experience as an idol. So he is both popular BL actor and was a professional musician.

so no trainee that ever debuted should be included. There are more than 20 (and I did not even got to the end of the list of participants) who already debuted in the past.

Also Girls Planet had debuted idols. Yujin who ranked 3rd was literally a member of CLC (a group that was under Cube just like Pentagon and was quite popular). So obviously the line is not clearly defined. I don't know ONE survival show like that truly had only trainees as participants.

Other Girls planet participants who already debuted/had fanbases:
Kang Ye Seo - debuted twice AND is an actress
Cai Bing is part of Chinese girl group
Chiayi was part of the girl group before the show...

I'm not gonna look for more, but I'm sure there are quite a few.

So if for you the line is "never debuted" then literally none of the shows are for you, because all of them have people who already made their debut in them

So the issue is not really experience, but fame? Okay. So I also want to know - how big on a fanbase should be too much to participate? Because if we want to exclude some people from being able to be part of the show, there has to be a clearly defined line.

then are you also against Kim Ji Woong participating? He made his debut 7 years ago, also has a big and DEDICATED (I know what I am saying, I'm part of BL fandom) fanbase because of his acting career?

big name and experience are two different things.
Big name means fame.
Experience means better skills.

I'm also curious where is the line. How many years of experience is fine? How big of an existing fanbase is fine?

I have a question to people who are against Hui being part of the show. Is the problem:
a. his fame/already having fans
b. his experience
c. combination of both?

Would it be okay if he had 8 years of experience, but not a big fanbase?
Or if he had a big fanbase, but not much experience?

How much fame and experience is too much?
Where is the line when the person should not be part of the show?

He is not the only one who already debuted and has some experience.
There are already debuted idols in both K and G teams, so now the question is - when it's okay for someone who already debuted to be part, and when it's not?

unnecessarily long reaction to episode 4

I'm heartless, but I feel exactly zero sympathy to these kids who are like: "I'm bad at singing, dancing and rapping" and crying about it. What exactly are you doing in a survival show that is supposed to create a group to debut then? If you do not know how to do even ONE of the essential skills idols HAVE TO HAVE! Okay, maybe i do feel bad a little bit, coz I cannot be sure they even wanted to participate or their agency forced them even if they were not ready...

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I preferred K? I guess. Barely? They had better main vocal. Both teams had one decent rapper and one not so much lol I don't get tho why in both teams they picked weak vocalists for Killing Part, when in this song Killing Part was so vocally based lol Tho Team G did WAY BETTER during the bridge/dance break. But still... I'm weak for good vocals and K had far better main one...

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I feel so bad for Chen Yu Geng. Dude ended up with team that has zero basic skills 🥲 Also the dude who wanted to be main vocal when he literally cannot hit the notes... dude. don't argue, go practice.

Im Han Byul be like: 나쁘지 않아
Me screaming at my laptop: HOW IS THIS "나쁘지 않아? ?!?!?!?!?

Da Eul is so selfish I cannot lol It's one thing to either mess up your lines, but deliver the dance, or to mess up the dance but deliver your lines, but he did neither. 3 days in training lol But he like: nah I'm keeping that part. If I don't get that part, there is not point in picking you guys - this just pissed me off sooooooooooo much.

Both Danger teams did bad, I don't even want to pick hahaha Min Hyeok did the overall. Seunghwan had good presence, but his rapping was lacking. I think the bias in audience is the most obvious in this voting. I don't care about anything, but I Chan winning even by 2 votes is just a joke 😅

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I feel bad for Yu Jin, because he is good, he is just slow learner... 🥲
Kim Ji Woong had ONE line and went: screwed it, I need to show abs 😅
Overall, K team did REALLY well with Back Door 👍🏻

You need to bring Jun Liu to put Krystian in place lol Like he honestly does not have that much confidence in himself that's why he obsesses over killing part. because he thinks that's the only way for him to shine in the performance. They basically have the same issue Danger team had with Da Eul.

Also, I think the practice here clearly show all the shit in previous episode with Kamden being bullied was just evil editing. Why the fuck would the out of the blue now started to be more nice and actually aside with Kamden and not Krystian hahaha i feel bad for Kamden that he has to deal with Krystian, but Kamden also ain't a leader material. I saw what a good leader can do with Krystian 🤣

Yeah team K did better with Back Door. I think both teams had a strong performers for killing parts tho.

Kim Ji Woong getting that many votes is a joke. Here's the thing - dude is good. This was not a good performance from him, especially compared to his team members lol But then... we saw the reaction the audience had when he showed the abs, some people have different priorities about what idols are supposed to do on stage I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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was a disaster for both teams ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Ollie did well stage presence wise, and the guy who rapped first did well. But it was not the "ready to debut" standard. Honestly from both teams Park Han Bin was the only one that truly aced and delivered both vocals and dance well. Also Ji Hoo... but I'm also curious if he would also do this well without the support, like how much is it him and how much it depends on the environment and how much others support him in the role.

Also, mnet did so well with editing out all the awful moments of k groups hot sauce I cannot stop laughing. they managed to make it look decent in the episode 😅

PARK HAN BIN IS SUCH A TALENTED GUY PLEASE LOVE HIM! Such a perfect leader, he is strict and works their asses off BUT he also works his ass off. Like they checked each other individually, but he danced with everyone as a comparison. I LOVE HIM SO MUCH. He is my no 1 pick since episode 1 😭😭😭 Hui being excited about Han Bin, yes ma dude can recognize talent!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS MY BOI HAN BIN GETTING THE RECOGNITION HE DESERVES OMG 😭😭😭😭 Also don't call me hypocrite. I have no issue with idols showing abs to gain recognition BUT I do have issue with someone giving up their vocal performance to show abs. That's why I was annoyed with Ji Woong and had no issue with Han Bin.

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As much as I think Sung Han Bin aced the killing part, overall team G did better. The song just fits their vibe a lot more and it was more fun and refreshing to watch their Love Me Right performance. As for Hui's ad libs - his raspy lower ones were better than the extra high notes. And it's not about his condition. I think overall he has hella charming voice for the more mid to high rock vibes, rather than pop hella high.

Overall, I'm just happy Park Han Bin got so much love this ep 🥰

that's the casting problem. Cast an 28 years old to act as a 40 years old practically single father who bas so many issues on his head, so much trauma to deal with and this is what you get - a flat performance. I love Earth, but this casting was not it and no actor his age can deliver believable performance like that... If the directors don't want to cast older actors, don't write older characters... 🥲

I would enjoy Jim's character far more with better casting. But with Earth in the role, I just find it so unrealistic, unconvincing and ridiculous I barely can stop myself from laughing during some scenes. And it's not Earth's fault, he just does not look the role...

I don't know how I feel about the show overall... just confusion?
I just hope it won't end up being painfully shallow. Coz this can be either great or pretentiously bad. I hope for the great.

There is so much pink tones in it, but I love it. Also a lot of shots with the characters being cut, and the 60% and more of the top view being just the background, not centered around the character. It kinds of gives me the vibe that they are not grounded yet, they are just existing as a small part of what surrounds them.

Anyway, I really like Kim Young Kwang.

People have some mad unrealistic standards for people lol

Alan did best he could in the shitty situation he is in (especially since whatever hope he might have had to still be with Wen ended just now). He came clean with his shortcoming of not being able to fully separate his personal and work life, which is 100% understandable in the context of what just happened. He suggested other banks to Jim that could be suitable. What more can he truly do? Pretend like he is not affected and risk acting on his emotions later?

Jim not making scene was also a mature behavior. One does not negate the other. As far as I see it, both of them are kind of a victims of Wen's indecisiveness. Wen broke up with Alan, but then did not fully end whatever was going on between them "out of pity". Wen told Jim whatever is going on will not be complicated, knowing fully well it already is complicated because of his living situation with Alan ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Now Jim and Alan have to deal with emotional impact.

on that note Alan was a real ass for denying Jim’s loan only because he couldn’t separate his business from his personal life < he did not tho. He said he advices him to try get the loan somewhere else because he is not confident in separating his personal and work life. He gave him info about other banks (it's not like Jim HAS TO take the loan there). But at the end of the day he left the choice to Jim - he could still proceed with the papers, knowing Alan might struggle with separating it. I think it was actually really mature of Alan to be straightforward about his weakness and how it might affect Jim. You literally cannot control your feelings and Alan was aware of how bad his state was and let Jim know.

Being ass would be knowing you might make some emotional decision along the way, not tell Jim and then when shit goes down blame Jim and Wen for it, because they screwed him up emotionally.

thoughts after episode 6... quite a lot of criticism 🙃