I discovered Thai BL dramas last year and was blown away by the earnest effort put behind delivering these stories to audiences who clearly take them seriously. Eventually, I watched some Chinese, Taiwanese, and Japanese BL too. I found it interesting that with the exception of Thailand, most of these countries have laws banning or censoring LGBTQ romantic content. 

So, what I want to know is: 

  1. How did these dramas find a foothold in these drama industries to begin with? 
  2. What drama(s) started this trend? 
  3. Do you think the presence of manga and webtoons focused on gay romances prepared/normalized the idea for drama viewers too?
  4. Is the audience support so big locally that the governments don't dare squash them? 
  5. Basically, who or what do I have to thank for amazing shows like Together With Me, SOTUS, Seven Days, etc.? 

I'm researching into this for a podcast episode, and I would be very grateful for any information you guys can give me. Links to sources would be appreciated but I just generally want to hear your opinions. 

Thanks in advance for any and all answers!

I dunno about other countries but at least in Japan BL as a drama/movie genre (not to be confused with gay/LGBT cinema)  can be traced back to manga pretty much entirely, so you might want to look into that for a better perspective on BL in Japan? There's a lot of excellent BL studies scholarship out there, a lot of it in English; this list compiled by Anne Lee is a great start!

 m:

I dunno about other countries but at least in Japan BL as a drama/movie genre (not to be confused with gay/LGBT cinema)  can be traced back to manga pretty much entirely, so you might want to look into that for a better perspective on BL in Japan? There's a lot of excellent BL studies scholarship out there, a lot of it in English; this list compiled by Anne Lee is a great start!

Thank you for this. I had no idea that BL mangas had so much written about them. It's opening up a whole new world for me. Are there articles discussing the BL drama phenomenon too? 

*running off to read all the newly opened tabs now*

I think you should separate BL/YAOI Genres from LGBT genre.

BL/YAOI is a subgenre of shoujo (manga/anime for girls) and is destined mostly to straight girls (Fujoshi or Y-Girls) and also written by Fujoshi. 

That is why it's accepted with not so much problems I think, because straight girls are the larger audience, it does not have much to do with the LGBT world (even if some stories talk about that kind of issues too)

BL/YAOI was born like in the '80 in Japan (and then spreaded to most of Asia) if I remember correctly..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi


About why people love BL I'm a fujoshi since forever and I think that every one has his own reasons but many are the same, one is  that for many girls is hard to relate to girls/women in normal shoujo/romance  so in BL we can just enjoy the story and the romance , another one is that girls love angst and drama and BL/YAOI have plenty of that mostly because the fact that is a M/M story so the charachters has to face even more issue and arrive to the happy ending is even more satysfing.

But I think the more important reason is that  M/M  relationship are kinda hot, so the more the actors are fine more happy fujoshi are xD

About your third questions I think that is some case BL can help people make questions that they will not normally ask about LGBT world and try to find answers and learning about it (that also happened to me) But at the same time there are still so many viewers that even if they like to watch in reality think is wrong. Like just fantasy is ok, in reality is a sin... for example I know that in Korea (were most girls love bromance) like to see the actors and singers in band act like they're couple but if they find out that one actor/singer is really gay they hate on him and he can't work anymore...

The first YAOI/BL Manga I think was Kaze to Ki no Uta (year 1987) 

About thai BL serie the real first one was Lovesick in 2014 

 Liz:

The first YAOI/BL Manga I think was Kaze to Ki no Uta (year 1987) 

About thai BL serie the real first one was Lovesick in 2014 

Your explanation clears a lot up for me. I didn't even know about Fujoshi (man, I have a lot to learn). XD  But does this term for Yaoi fans also translate to women who love watching live-action BL? 


 Liz:
for example I know that in Korea (were most girls love bromance) like to see the actors and singers in band act like they're couple but if they find out that one actor/singer is really gay they hate on him and he can't work anymore...

This I've already noticed while following K-dramas. People love Park Bo-gum and Song Joon-ki being adorable together, but if they were in a real relationship their reactions would clearly be very different. 

Which is also I find the popularity of a show like Together With Me fascinating. Cause it's clearly about a gay relationship. It's not a stylized manga in a safely fictional world. It's acted out by real people in a college environment that's familiar to Thai citizens. So, it wouldn't be nearly as easy to distance reality from fictional BL. 

I understand about gay exoticization. But, these kinds of shows would be the first time LGBTQ  population in these countries would have seen themselves on screen in a clearly positive, sympathetic light. Isn't that revolutionary in a society that culturally has issues with same sex relationships? 

Yes this terms is for every girl/women that love BL/YAOI/GAY ROMANCE, and also BROMANCE AND SLASH. Basically every woman is a fujoshi inside or at least most of us, it's just that many don't know that these things exist, especially out of Asia (it's the same for M/M Romance in America and outside, that is also written by straight girls and destined to straight girls mostly, many authors had man's nicknames but are still women xD) 


About your last question I have a negative idea about that.

As I said these countries has not so much issues about these kind of shows because they know that are for girls, and about the content that is clearly Gay Romance , even if many of them are more on the YAOI/BL side, with yes 2 guys but one of them is basically a woman in a male body xD that's why we have uke and seme or top and bottom: one is "the woman" the other the man. It's not like that in every story but in most in the novels and manga it is, in dramas it's different because the actors are man and they add more manlyness let's said xD 

And another thing: YAOI/BL is really popular right now in place like Thailand so it makes money and that's another reason I think why they do these kind of show, money rule the world.. 

But sure we have to start somewhere if we want to arrive someday in a world that see homosexuality as normal as it is and these kind of show as I said maybe won't help everybody but can start questioning in the mind of some people and this is sure positive.

Anyway China is already out of the business if you know, they can't show nor shoot anything BL, it's totally illegal since 2016 or 2017 I think so the YAOI/BL show that tryed to came out in the last months from China are sadly censured or cancelled . 

This not work for Manga and Novels for some reasons as far as I know, I have no idea of why but I assume is because dramas have real people and manga is totally fiction.

Btw all of those are just my opionion about the things I know or heard around the internet, maybe some things are different, probably someone who actually lives in Asia can know better than me

Btw because english is not my first language I sure did kind of a mess with my explanation, I'm sorry about that, hope it makes sense xD


I just find it very weird that people can be accepting one second, and then hating all of a sudden. I'm a K-pop fan and I've noticed that with the Korean fans. That's just freakin' stupid. I imagine that a lot of the K-pop stars are gay in fact. Or at least Bi. But now an artist named Holland has debuted, as a gay person. He even had a kissing scene in his music video. intense fangirling

Hopefully people will become more open minded about it. I'll go look up how Korean people have reacted to his video.

(edit): I saw this video, I think it would help^ above

 Liz:

Btw because english is not my first language I sure did kind of a mess with my explanation, I'm sorry about that, hope it makes sense xD

Your insights are very interesting to read! Thank you for taking the time to write them out for me. I'm so new to this stuff that I only have a very shallow idea of the psychology behind the love and creation of these dramas. 

Btw, would you mind if I mention you as "Liz from MDL" on the podcast? I want to talk about this thread there. ☺️

 ihvnolife:
But now an artist named Holland has debuted, as a gay person. He even had a kissing scene in his music video. intense fangirling

Hopefully people will become more open minded about it. I'll go look up how Korean people have reacted to his video.

Whoa! I had no idea about Holland! Thank you for the video link! I found the answers to 'Why is fan service bromance okay but not LGBT?" pretty interesting. Seems to stem directly from the sasaeng fan culture. 

 festerfaster:

Your insights are very interesting to read! Thank you for taking the time to write them out for me. I'm so new to this stuff that I only have a very shallow idea of the psychology behind the love and creation of these dramas. 

Btw, would you mind if I mention you as "Liz from MDL" on the podcast? I want to talk about this thread there. ☺️

Hope you will not find me rude but can you please don't mention me? 

I hate being under attention  I'm overly shy xD

 Liz:

Hope you will not find me rude but can you please don't mention me? 

I hate being under attention xD

No. I completely understand. Thanks again for helping though. =)

 festerfaster:

No. I completely understand. Thanks again for helping though. =)

You're welcome :)

Are you sure Taiwan has laws against showing LGBT content? I know they just recently legalized gay marriage so it wouldn't make sense for them to still have it.

I'll only answer a few because it looks like a lot of people have answered already. 

2. I would say that what started the trend was mangas that later developed into anime. I think most people who watch BL started with an anime. Where the interest of dramas arised was the idea that you could see the same thing that was being animated being acted out by real people. Not only that but you can relate to them more and it doesn't feel as distant. 

4. I would say thinking of the Chinese government that it's actually the opposite. When it gets to big the government tries to squash it. That's why you see a lot of popular BL dramas left incomplete or with an unhappy ending. I would say that Korea doesn't completely block LGBT content (with the exception of a few movies notably Method) they more use it as bait or as a comedic role (Strong Woman Do Bong Soon). However, I have seen a few roles where it isn't used in a comedic way and is more serious (Witch's Court).