we have so many cbls airing this week snack on one each day till next Friday š
aaaa! mmnt, this one and Double Helix, right? what are the others? and isnt this one most explict? plus this is the only historical/costume, right? and enemies to lovers??? aaaaa!
"be trash again"? ZeeNunew series are always good bro
You must feel incredibly insecure with your psychological profile to shoot with emotionally strong words like "psychobabble", while trying to use my criticism and analysis of zero psychologizing as a shield and target.
āIām not 100% supportiveā¦ā You're defending yourself against something I didnāt actually claim (a bit of a strawman). It shifts the frame from my argument to your independence, which sounds strong but dodges the substance. āDonāt even know where you came up with all this psychobabble.ā This is a classic dismissive move. Instead of engaging with specifics, you label your point as nonsense. It signals irritation more than argument. āYouāre entitled to your opinionā¦ā It sounds like respect, but in reality itās more of a polite āand thatās where Iām ending this.ā In a discussion, itās more a way to shut it down without actually refuting anything.
āIt doesnāt matter what production company.ā This is quite a strong generalization without evidence. A production company obviously can have an impact (budget, style, direction). So it comes across as a shortcutāsimplifying reality to avoid nuance.
āYour opinionā¦ is just that. Your opinion.ā Formally true, but trivial. It applies just as much to your own opinionāso it doesnāt really add anything.
āYou donāt get to be the ultimate authorityā¦ā Again, a response to something I didnāt claim. It attributes an extreme position to me so it can be rejected. āI would trustā¦ viewership and awardsā¦ā This is an appeal to popularity and authority: viewership ā quality awards ā universal truth Itās an argument, but a fairly weak one if weāre discussing critical evaluation. Your response isnāt really about a substantive discussion. Itās more that you: defend emotionally your own stance downplays mine (by labeling it āpsychobabbleā) leans on general authorities (audiences, awards) instead of addressing specific points. Youāve just reduced your comment to self-defensive drivel. Good luck in life with that.
"be trash again"? ZeeNunew series are always good bro
OK. And the motivation behind its success is not that they produce the highest-quality audiovisual projects. Itās a mix of curiosity, surprise, provocation, a gap in the market, and an obsession with fluffy BL content, combined with the target audienceās age range and the actorsā chemistry.
It also includes parasocial relationships with the actors, expectations and hype built up over years of waiting, identification with the BL community, specific scenes or clips that work well in isolation, and even the āso bad itās goodā effect. A significant part of it comes down to luck and strategy.
These are the factors behind the successānot necessarily high-quality performances or consistently strong projects. Even fans can see how far some productions fall short of the desired outcome. I donāt pay much attention to loud public claims suggesting otherwise. After all, I saw what you saw when both series were airing.
And if you werenāt watching through the eyes of a die-hard fan or a completely uninvolved viewer who lacks a deeper understanding of audiovisual projects, you had to see the significant shortcomings both projects had. And that a large part of their success lies not in how good the projects actually are or in what they delivered that hadnāt been seen before, but in how much the final products cater to a specific group of people and their expectations of what such a series should look like.
In other words, yesāa sizable group of mostly girls chose to push them, and that made a difference. Itās social proof rather than pure artistic merit; more of a perfect storm than outstanding performance. But they delivered something that a specific audienceāmainly teenagers and young adultsāwanted to see, in exactly the way they wanted to see it. And on that level, it worked.
I feel like the lack of constructive, socially acceptable criticismāthe kind that actually helps projects improveāhas disappeared. Itās been pushed out, almost excommunicated, treated like something unacceptable.
Instead, whatās spreadingāalmost like a diseaseāis an environment where youāre expected to be 100% supportive of every aspect of a project publicly, or you risk being treated like a witch hunted by a mob.
Thereās no longer a distinction between criticism and harmful intent in peopleās eyes. An interesting development.
"be trash again"? ZeeNunew series are always good bro
Nice, but with the type of fans they have, it mainly means they have a large, active, self-sacrificing fanbase thatās currently pushing themānot that theyāre objectively the best.
And yes, CP did seem to bring something newācheeky and daringāwhich grabs peopleās attention at first, and it was good at doing that. Then again, halfway through, the execution started to lag far behind its ambitions.
ME: I'm not gonna check this, they are gonna mess it and I will be annoyed. Also ME, after checking out the first ep.: The hell, i need to watch this! :D ššš š¤£š¤£š¤£š
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āIām not 100% supportiveā¦ā
You're defending yourself against something I didnāt actually claim (a bit of a strawman). It shifts the frame from my argument to your independence, which sounds strong but dodges the substance.
āDonāt even know where you came up with all this psychobabble.ā
This is a classic dismissive move. Instead of engaging with specifics, you label your point as nonsense. It signals irritation more than argument.
āYouāre entitled to your opinionā¦ā
It sounds like respect, but in reality itās more of a polite āand thatās where Iām ending this.ā In a discussion, itās more a way to shut it down without actually refuting anything.
āIt doesnāt matter what production company.ā
This is quite a strong generalization without evidence. A production company obviously can have an impact (budget, style, direction). So it comes across as a shortcutāsimplifying reality to avoid nuance.
āYour opinionā¦ is just that. Your opinion.ā
Formally true, but trivial. It applies just as much to your own opinionāso it doesnāt really add anything.
āYou donāt get to be the ultimate authorityā¦ā
Again, a response to something I didnāt claim. It attributes an extreme position to me so it can be rejected.
āI would trustā¦ viewership and awardsā¦ā
This is an appeal to popularity and authority:
viewership ā quality
awards ā universal truth
Itās an argument, but a fairly weak one if weāre discussing critical evaluation.
Your response isnāt really about a substantive discussion. Itās more that you:
defend emotionally your own stance
downplays mine (by labeling it āpsychobabbleā)
leans on general authorities (audiences, awards) instead of addressing specific points.
Youāve just reduced your comment to self-defensive drivel. Good luck in life with that.
It also includes parasocial relationships with the actors, expectations and hype built up over years of waiting, identification with the BL community, specific scenes or clips that work well in isolation, and even the āso bad itās goodā effect. A significant part of it comes down to luck and strategy.
These are the factors behind the successānot necessarily high-quality performances or consistently strong projects. Even fans can see how far some productions fall short of the desired outcome. I donāt pay much attention to loud public claims suggesting otherwise. After all, I saw what you saw when both series were airing.
And if you werenāt watching through the eyes of a die-hard fan or a completely uninvolved viewer who lacks a deeper understanding of audiovisual projects, you had to see the significant shortcomings both projects had. And that a large part of their success lies not in how good the projects actually are or in what they delivered that hadnāt been seen before, but in how much the final products cater to a specific group of people and their expectations of what such a series should look like.
In other words, yesāa sizable group of mostly girls chose to push them, and that made a difference. Itās social proof rather than pure artistic merit; more of a perfect storm than outstanding performance. But they delivered something that a specific audienceāmainly teenagers and young adultsāwanted to see, in exactly the way they wanted to see it. And on that level, it worked.
I feel like the lack of constructive, socially acceptable criticismāthe kind that actually helps projects improveāhas disappeared. Itās been pushed out, almost excommunicated, treated like something unacceptable.
Instead, whatās spreadingāalmost like a diseaseāis an environment where youāre expected to be 100% supportive of every aspect of a project publicly, or you risk being treated like a witch hunted by a mob.
Thereās no longer a distinction between criticism and harmful intent in peopleās eyes. An interesting development.
And yes, CP did seem to bring something newācheeky and daringāwhich grabs peopleās attention at first, and it was good at doing that. Then again, halfway through, the execution started to lag far behind its ambitions.
Also ME, after checking out the first ep.: The hell, i need to watch this! :D ššš š¤£š¤£š¤£š