The only fitting retribution was Choi DoHa's. I liked that part, even though acute radiation poisoning wouldn't work like that unless the whole pool was glowing LOL. But all the rest... not so much. Nevermind they never found the serial killer son of the former chairman, LOL. His plane must've gone down into the Bermuda Triangle :D
So... First of all - the fckn Big Mouse organisation made (and probably kept making) their money through racketeering, gambling, prostitution, corruption from the lowest through the highest levels. I don't CARE the ex-BM got remorses and wanted to punish those who killed his daughter - what about all the other people's daughters? The original BM was evil and it remained so even when it got to confront another corruption ring that even proved better at it than itself.
I mean, I think we all still remember how PCH was almost killed in prison under the watch of his now-underling. He wouldn't have been the first. Or the last.
And what, they get to give some money to charities and they're washed free of their sins? Yeah right.
As for the drama... they spent too much time in the prison setting, and not enough trying to fight off CDH's side. They came off as amateurs in the final part of the story, nothing even went their way. At least Jerry survived. He and PCH can now get to build a great bromance, if they ever agree on who to corrupt next. And what, JiHoon is forgiven and even given a prize?! Just like that?!
Oh well, it was kind of fun at times. I've seen better, But I've watched it til the end and it says something about LJS's lead power. Onto the next one!
The serial killer dad died on the rocks under the cliff - it's not explained but IMHO HeeSung hit him over the…
It's pretty obvious what happened - she came to beg him to stop the exorcisms, he saw an opportunity and took it (talking to her in the back of the dark warehouse, with nobody around? Her skirt all dirty, her knees scraped - that doesn't happen without a scramble, and she had no reason to start one - he did). It ended badly for him. She's obviously been deeply marked by it - even when living basically in seclusion, in the dark (remember the broken light?), she's always wearing those baggy clothes, she wouldn't reach out to anyone for help. Only to HyunSoo, and only when he's the one making the first move. And MooJin, but still in order to defend HyunSoo, and nothing else (even when he shows he's still interested.)
He (HyunSoo) already has a strange brain. And he's been through a lot of shocks in his life, that would have deeply scarred a normal person. IIRC, when JiWon first started doubting him, she took him to the basement of his dad's house and tried to trigger him with the recording of his mother's voice. She said then, just to see his reaction, that DHS might have been used by his father to bring food and water to his victims - if that would have been true, it would have made that kid WANT to forget everything. And then there's his mother, missing... Maybe he also wanted to forget when he had seen her last.
Add to that the drowning (he was in an induced hypo-temperature coma when MiSook's husband tried to kill him), and the actual bullet going through his brain when HeeSung shot him. It's a wonder he's still functioning almost normally (for himself, that is).
It hurt they lost their moments of understanding each other and the quiet times before the crisis... but they have a chance to do it all over again. So after all it's still a hopeful ending.
The twin on the shore is supposed to be SSH, because of the message and the diamond spear/arrow he's holding.…
I seriously doubt he is. But it is a possibility - though we're not told WooShin himself believes it.
I choose to take it as a set-up for his upcoming revenge. It's an open-ended story, so I get to imagine what would happen. I also seriously doubt they'll make a second season, so we get to pick our own endings instead :)
Can Li Yi Feng's prostitution scandal (for which I hope he gets his just comeuppance) affect the airing of THIS…
I never watched said actor in said scandal, in any of his dramas (that I know of) and I didn't even comment on his own page or on any of his dramas' pages. I asked about THIS drama's airing schedule since it has been rumoured to air this year and the dates keep getting pushed back. The connection between the two dramas might or might not have an impact on the airing dates. I was hoping for someone more informed than I to post a reply, and that already happened.
Attacking someone who just asked a question re: this precise drama on the page of said drama makes me wonder why you are taking it so personally. But I don't actually care to learn the answer to that.
Don't bother replying to this comment, since I'll be using the block button. Have a nice life.
She's not going to hold it for long. And no, he's not.
The twin on the shore is supposed to be SSH, because of the message and the diamond spear/arrow he's holding. But then, it was HWS who had the thing in the first place, and the one who has all the reasons to try and bring down Haesong and HyeSoo's new reign.
Sadly, SSH is most probably gone. But he was always kind of reckless, so it's not actually all that surprising. And TBH the manner the SIH killed Mr Lee's brother was atrocious and SSH did play a part in it, and at the time he wasn't even too much involved yet.
The most cerebral one was always WooShin, who started the whole thing and now gets to inherit and re-live all the guilt, and add to it all the dead people his actions caused, and the death of bio-dad and worse, his own twin. I think he's trying hard to plan ahead (that quip about a book - yeah, that wasn't all there is to it.) HyeSoo kind of lost impulse once she got what she wanted - she never wanted Haesong, she just wanted to keep it from HyunJo. What now? LOL. She doesn't have what it takes to keep it, and there's no more Team A. WooShin might have the willpower now, since he's being spurred on by the guilt.
IF. And that's a big IF. IF there's a certain secret organisation - not the SIH, not Team A, some other one, because why not? - that would have come into play... Then yes, there might be some way to deus-ex-machina SSH into a coma (because why not?) and play HWS's feelings against him in order to manipulate Haesong or somebody/something else. But I don't hold much hope for another season, so we're going probably to be left off with a Vagabond-style ending. Oh well.
At least it's not WooShin who died, and Dongrim has a happy ending (he's too happy for his dad not to be alright.)
Taesung, on being happy of not actually killing Mr Lee - CTS, dammit, you shot Mr Kwon point blank three times!!! Shut the heck up and sit down.
For myself, I liked this drama - mostly for WooShin. It's almost a origin story for him: the quiet brainiac who used to write books, got too certain things would move along legal lines in the real world, lost his twin and father(s) to it, and now gets to plan his revenge.
If it happens, I'll watch it. As long as there's Ji Sung playing HWS.
I even know why WooShin would do it - he's trying to give SooHyun closure and maybe a chance to bring down Mr.…
I don't really remember that part - I was caught in the twins' problems oops. I kind of think they weren't allowed to leave that compound before the party (and the elections) because of the danger of either of them revealing the plot relating to the gun laws HaeSong would support. But I do also kind of remember him asking about going to the hospital - it's just too unclear ATM for me WHEN exactly that came. I've had a couple of really exhausting weeks :(
Still, I think it was about moving Dongrim's dad from the hospital where he's basically a hostage (and where he immediately had a lapse of health when Dongrim and WooShin learned about the gun laws and told Chairman Kwon), and not Dongrim actually getting leave to go and see him. Just that they were able to move him (maybe with HyeSoo's help, when WooShin thought she was helping?)
I haven't had a chance to watch the final episode, I hope they at least mention Dongrim and his family and how it all turned out.
Last year's The Devil Judge was an extremely hot BL romance between the leads, buried under a police female officer acting as a huge beard, LOL. Nobody can convince me otherwise.
If you've watched it, you know - Ji Sung totally owns it. And sure, you can call it good bromance, or even go as far as calling it queer-baiting... but in the end, Ji Sung and JinYoung's respective characters spark off each other blindingly. I liked the female leads' characters (SunAh and SooHyun did their best), but there's just no comparison, LOL.
I'd watch Ji Sung leading a romance, (even a straight one, not that he ever acted in any other kind, OFFICIALLY, LOL) in a hot second. In fact, sign me up right now LOL.
Don't know how many episodes you watched, but in episode 15, there are basically no plot holes left and it is…
I think she always knew, or at least was suspicious, but she fooled herself into rationalising it as pure coincidence.
But she isn't stupid, just strong-willed. When WooShin put it in front of her in the open, she couldn't continue to lie to herself and finally took action.
HyeSoo only helped her remain alive in prison and offered her the opportunity to kill Kwon with her own hands, which she promptly did.
I don't think her rage is spent, though. I wonder if she'll be satisfied with Kwon or find new targets to hunt down for faults real or imagined...
Don't know how many episodes you watched, but in episode 15, there are basically no plot holes left and it is…
She didn't flip out of nowhere - WooShin made her realise her son's heart ended up transplanted to the chairman when her son VERY probably didn't try to commit suicide after all, and might not even had been brain-dead at the time of the transplant, but just in a coma, with chances of recovery.
And she OFFERED his heart to the chairman herself. Basically she was manipulated into killing her own son by someone else's hands.
She picked his retirement to attack him, and when she was in prison he tried to have her killed. Her flip is seriously well grounded.
HBC's part of the story is related to the laws to arm people HaeSong tried to pass, and the jail murder is also related to that. HBC would have ended up a terrorist attack victim too, if SSH hadn't stopped it. What SeoHee is trying to do now, last-minute, isn't clear yet. I hope there'll be some loop closing in tomorrow's finale.
Team A and the SIH are dumb and dumber, LOL. SIH always act like they're a CIA Black Ops team and the laws are more like (extremely flexible) guidelines :D Good thing Team A aren't any brighter, what with their bosses' personal agendas that take a lot of energy from them just doing their jobs competently :D
I KNEW the two idiots will try to pull this off, dammit, dammit, dammit.
I even know why WooShin would do it - he's trying to give SooHyun closure and maybe a chance to bring down Mr. Lee. But this won't work. It can't work, because HyeSoo was never on their team and Mr. Lee isn't THAT stupid.
Everything WooShin did, from the very beginning, was to get some closure for SooHyun, nothing else. And now there are countless people dead, their real father exposed as a murderer, TOO (they already knew he was a thief), no real chance to win (much), and a high chance at least one of the twins ends up dead. I have to say it though - I was even more afraid they'd try to do the switch with WooShin going to the funeral house ahead of time to get Mr. Lee by himself, and protect SooHyun from any danger possible. I guess WS respects his older twin enough not to make a clown of him at this time.
So, I wonder if HyeSoo made Sun an offer she couldn't refuse and turned her from HyunJo's side to her own. She (HS) has a chance to really come out the King Rat in this story.
The SIH are really way too stupid to exist. I mean... Why the heck would you break down the door to the last room people are hiding in, if you guess they're your own people, but desperate and armed?! Call the f*ck's sake out to them, let them know you're coming to the rescue, so that they won't shoot you on sight! Then again, they're being led by KHP, he really is the standard of SIH stupidity.
I can't yet understand what's the purpose of exposing the jail mass murder thing at this time. Maybe we'll learn tomorrow.
Peeve one: Why the heck does SeoHee need that Panzer Tank of a car, and would she actually be able to afford it?! Her family wasn't exactly well off, did someone else give it to her? (like SH, though I don't remember it being his either.)
Peeve two: Show, we talked about this. Do NOT hurt WooShin anymore. It aches. I don't want to see him scared, hurt, in psychological pain again. This one has to be the most frail (but still humongously brave despite that) character I've ever seen Ji Sung play. I didn't watch any BTS from this drama, but I kind of think this character made him commit to acting in it.
One more ep - I want both twins alive, Show, or we'll have WORDS.
Edit: and if the drama forgets about Dongrim and his father's operation, I'll also want to have words.
LOVE LOVE THIS SHOW, been so long since I really binged a show and did it in like three days. Thought the acting…
The serial killer dad died on the rocks under the cliff - it's not explained but IMHO HeeSung hit him over the head and threw him down there. The police just wanted to end the case ASAP and probably just labeled it suicide to stop the media frenzy.
It's also unexplained what happened to the mother - BUT. Despite MiSook NOT being a serial victim... the box had the correct number of trophy fingernails. And HyunSoo lost his childhood memories when she disappeared - I think his father killed his mother first, and maybe DHS was there to witness it and that's why he forgot everything.
HaeSoo didn't want to kill that village master, she was defending herself. It was in the heat of the moment, and she and her brother were definitely already psychologically marked from their father's actions. She spends her life hiding, she's wearing form-masking clothes all the time, the rape attempt must have left a deep scar - that and her brother disappearing forever.
The amnesia was actually well-done, IMHO. He approached JiWon under a fake identity, their whole life together was filled with him showing her only what he thought she'd want to see from him... Now the slate is blank and they still are attracted to each other - this time they can do it with complete sincerity.
There are reasons why some thriller and revenge dramas have gone viral with such high ratings:1. Vincenzo: The…
I rate and appreciate a drama only according to the enjoyment I get from it. If other people do no enjoy it as much (or as little) as myself, I call it a difference in tastes and move on. MDL ratings included, BTW.
That aside, considering IMDB ratings is hilarious. Just look at LOTR: ROP and the manipulation of IMDB ratings for it, and you'll know why.
As for if this is appreciated or not in its home country... For its timeslot, on tvN, Eve (before it) averaged around 3.5-4% audience, The Killer's Shopping List averaged 3%, Kill Heel averaged also around 3, 3+%, etc, so if Adamas, which is completely different from Eve (with its roots in highlife reality) is averaging almost 3%, I'd say it's pretty normal.
It's not a runaway hit, yes, but who cares? It's doing fairly in its country for its timeslot and its network. I don't think they're losing money.
And I AM enjoying it, and I guess I'm not the only one. Such is life :)
EDIT: I see now there's a whole bunch of disatisfied comments under this one, LOL, I hope this doesn't turn into a flame war just because. Anyway, I'm out of these kind of comments, everyone have a good day!
And the son probably went on to get elected Governor of Texas or something.
So... First of all - the fckn Big Mouse organisation made (and probably kept making) their money through racketeering, gambling, prostitution, corruption from the lowest through the highest levels. I don't CARE the ex-BM got remorses and wanted to punish those who killed his daughter - what about all the other people's daughters? The original BM was evil and it remained so even when it got to confront another corruption ring that even proved better at it than itself.
I mean, I think we all still remember how PCH was almost killed in prison under the watch of his now-underling. He wouldn't have been the first. Or the last.
And what, they get to give some money to charities and they're washed free of their sins? Yeah right.
As for the drama... they spent too much time in the prison setting, and not enough trying to fight off CDH's side. They came off as amateurs in the final part of the story, nothing even went their way. At least Jerry survived. He and PCH can now get to build a great bromance, if they ever agree on who to corrupt next. And what, JiHoon is forgiven and even given a prize?! Just like that?!
Oh well, it was kind of fun at times. I've seen better, But I've watched it til the end and it says something about LJS's lead power. Onto the next one!
He (HyunSoo) already has a strange brain. And he's been through a lot of shocks in his life, that would have deeply scarred a normal person. IIRC, when JiWon first started doubting him, she took him to the basement of his dad's house and tried to trigger him with the recording of his mother's voice. She said then, just to see his reaction, that DHS might have been used by his father to bring food and water to his victims - if that would have been true, it would have made that kid WANT to forget everything. And then there's his mother, missing... Maybe he also wanted to forget when he had seen her last.
Add to that the drowning (he was in an induced hypo-temperature coma when MiSook's husband tried to kill him), and the actual bullet going through his brain when HeeSung shot him. It's a wonder he's still functioning almost normally (for himself, that is).
It hurt they lost their moments of understanding each other and the quiet times before the crisis... but they have a chance to do it all over again. So after all it's still a hopeful ending.
I choose to take it as a set-up for his upcoming revenge. It's an open-ended story, so I get to imagine what would happen. I also seriously doubt they'll make a second season, so we get to pick our own endings instead :)
Attacking someone who just asked a question re: this precise drama on the page of said drama makes me wonder why you are taking it so personally. But I don't actually care to learn the answer to that.
Don't bother replying to this comment, since I'll be using the block button. Have a nice life.
Sadly, SSH is most probably gone. But he was always kind of reckless, so it's not actually all that surprising. And TBH the manner the SIH killed Mr Lee's brother was atrocious and SSH did play a part in it, and at the time he wasn't even too much involved yet.
The most cerebral one was always WooShin, who started the whole thing and now gets to inherit and re-live all the guilt, and add to it all the dead people his actions caused, and the death of bio-dad and worse, his own twin. I think he's trying hard to plan ahead (that quip about a book - yeah, that wasn't all there is to it.) HyeSoo kind of lost impulse once she got what she wanted - she never wanted Haesong, she just wanted to keep it from HyunJo. What now? LOL. She doesn't have what it takes to keep it, and there's no more Team A. WooShin might have the willpower now, since he's being spurred on by the guilt.
IF. And that's a big IF. IF there's a certain secret organisation - not the SIH, not Team A, some other one, because why not? - that would have come into play... Then yes, there might be some way to deus-ex-machina SSH into a coma (because why not?) and play HWS's feelings against him in order to manipulate Haesong or somebody/something else. But I don't hold much hope for another season, so we're going probably to be left off with a Vagabond-style ending. Oh well.
At least it's not WooShin who died, and Dongrim has a happy ending (he's too happy for his dad not to be alright.)
Taesung, on being happy of not actually killing Mr Lee - CTS, dammit, you shot Mr Kwon point blank three times!!! Shut the heck up and sit down.
For myself, I liked this drama - mostly for WooShin. It's almost a origin story for him: the quiet brainiac who used to write books, got too certain things would move along legal lines in the real world, lost his twin and father(s) to it, and now gets to plan his revenge.
If it happens, I'll watch it. As long as there's Ji Sung playing HWS.
Still, I think it was about moving Dongrim's dad from the hospital where he's basically a hostage (and where he immediately had a lapse of health when Dongrim and WooShin learned about the gun laws and told Chairman Kwon), and not Dongrim actually getting leave to go and see him. Just that they were able to move him (maybe with HyeSoo's help, when WooShin thought she was helping?)
I haven't had a chance to watch the final episode, I hope they at least mention Dongrim and his family and how it all turned out.
If you've watched it, you know - Ji Sung totally owns it. And sure, you can call it good bromance, or even go as far as calling it queer-baiting... but in the end, Ji Sung and JinYoung's respective characters spark off each other blindingly. I liked the female leads' characters (SunAh and SooHyun did their best), but there's just no comparison, LOL.
I'd watch Ji Sung leading a romance, (even a straight one, not that he ever acted in any other kind, OFFICIALLY, LOL) in a hot second. In fact, sign me up right now LOL.
But she isn't stupid, just strong-willed. When WooShin put it in front of her in the open, she couldn't continue to lie to herself and finally took action.
HyeSoo only helped her remain alive in prison and offered her the opportunity to kill Kwon with her own hands, which she promptly did.
I don't think her rage is spent, though. I wonder if she'll be satisfied with Kwon or find new targets to hunt down for faults real or imagined...
And she OFFERED his heart to the chairman herself. Basically she was manipulated into killing her own son by someone else's hands.
She picked his retirement to attack him, and when she was in prison he tried to have her killed. Her flip is seriously well grounded.
HBC's part of the story is related to the laws to arm people HaeSong tried to pass, and the jail murder is also related to that. HBC would have ended up a terrorist attack victim too, if SSH hadn't stopped it. What SeoHee is trying to do now, last-minute, isn't clear yet. I hope there'll be some loop closing in tomorrow's finale.
Team A and the SIH are dumb and dumber, LOL. SIH always act like they're a CIA Black Ops team and the laws are more like (extremely flexible) guidelines :D Good thing Team A aren't any brighter, what with their bosses' personal agendas that take a lot of energy from them just doing their jobs competently :D
Everything WooShin did, from the very beginning, was to get some closure for SooHyun, nothing else. And now there are countless people dead, their real father exposed as a murderer, TOO (they already knew he was a thief), no real chance to win (much), and a high chance at least one of the twins ends up dead. I have to say it though - I was even more afraid they'd try to do the switch with WooShin going to the funeral house ahead of time to get Mr. Lee by himself, and protect SooHyun from any danger possible. I guess WS respects his older twin enough not to make a clown of him at this time.
So, I wonder if HyeSoo made Sun an offer she couldn't refuse and turned her from HyunJo's side to her own. She (HS) has a chance to really come out the King Rat in this story.
The SIH are really way too stupid to exist. I mean... Why the heck would you break down the door to the last room people are hiding in, if you guess they're your own people, but desperate and armed?! Call the f*ck's sake out to them, let them know you're coming to the rescue, so that they won't shoot you on sight! Then again, they're being led by KHP, he really is the standard of SIH stupidity.
I can't yet understand what's the purpose of exposing the jail mass murder thing at this time. Maybe we'll learn tomorrow.
Peeve one: Why the heck does SeoHee need that Panzer Tank of a car, and would she actually be able to afford it?! Her family wasn't exactly well off, did someone else give it to her? (like SH, though I don't remember it being his either.)
Peeve two: Show, we talked about this. Do NOT hurt WooShin anymore. It aches. I don't want to see him scared, hurt, in psychological pain again. This one has to be the most frail (but still humongously brave despite that) character I've ever seen Ji Sung play. I didn't watch any BTS from this drama, but I kind of think this character made him commit to acting in it.
One more ep - I want both twins alive, Show, or we'll have WORDS.
Edit: and if the drama forgets about Dongrim and his father's operation, I'll also want to have words.
It's also unexplained what happened to the mother - BUT. Despite MiSook NOT being a serial victim... the box had the correct number of trophy fingernails. And HyunSoo lost his childhood memories when she disappeared - I think his father killed his mother first, and maybe DHS was there to witness it and that's why he forgot everything.
HaeSoo didn't want to kill that village master, she was defending herself. It was in the heat of the moment, and she and her brother were definitely already psychologically marked from their father's actions. She spends her life hiding, she's wearing form-masking clothes all the time, the rape attempt must have left a deep scar - that and her brother disappearing forever.
The amnesia was actually well-done, IMHO. He approached JiWon under a fake identity, their whole life together was filled with him showing her only what he thought she'd want to see from him... Now the slate is blank and they still are attracted to each other - this time they can do it with complete sincerity.
Are the other actors from MATOTC possibly affected from their association (even if just professionally) with LYF?
More questions under the spoiler.
That aside, considering IMDB ratings is hilarious. Just look at LOTR: ROP and the manipulation of IMDB ratings for it, and you'll know why.
As for if this is appreciated or not in its home country... For its timeslot, on tvN, Eve (before it) averaged around 3.5-4% audience, The Killer's Shopping List averaged 3%, Kill Heel averaged also around 3, 3+%, etc, so if Adamas, which is completely different from Eve (with its roots in highlife reality) is averaging almost 3%, I'd say it's pretty normal.
It's not a runaway hit, yes, but who cares? It's doing fairly in its country for its timeslot and its network. I don't think they're losing money.
And I AM enjoying it, and I guess I'm not the only one. Such is life :)
EDIT: I see now there's a whole bunch of disatisfied comments under this one, LOL, I hope this doesn't turn into a flame war just because. Anyway, I'm out of these kind of comments, everyone have a good day!