Cultural differences are interesting because Bada's stunt (attempting suicide because of Sandeul wanting to marry Seoyeon) would've landed way differently if this were an American show lmao she would've gotten called out for being a manipulator who is suicide baiting. The "solution" wouldn't be for sandeul to ditch seoyeon like it's portrayed here.
But it is - Seoyeon is now sad over Bada potentially dying ... Even tho Bada has always treated Seoyeon/Baram like shit LOL. I DO like how both Seoyeon and Bada call back to Insoon's attempt and the trauma from that, and how both girls were affected by it differently... Baram correctly identifying it as manipulative behavior and Bada doing the same because Insoon normalized that behavior.
That being said I liked Taepoong telling Insoon to fall back and telling Sandeul to go and see Seoyeon. Insoon was pissing me off during that scene! "You can't leave the hospital until Bada says so!" LMFAOOOO??? It was said Bada and Sandeul were in a "relationship" but they clearly weren't. That's why this "sandeul is cheating" shit is so dumb
I stand with Jung Moyeon (also interesting this is the first time in a while I've seen Ji Suwon play a good character lol) but I do wonder about the mystery of Joyi. I am 99% sure that moyeon is yoonhee. While I disliked Joyi's unrequited crush on Taepoong, I actually like her friendship with Seoyeon because Joyi's sunniess balances out Seoyeon's angst.
I said I didn't like seeing Insoon get bullied by the other rich housewives (you expect me to feel bad for a character who's a piece of shit?) but I like those scenes now that Moyeon is standing on business.
As far as toxic chaebol families go, the family from Secret House takes the crown when it comes to secrets and dysfunction followed by the chaebol family from Secrets and Lies. I think the Kangs might be coming up close. Like literally the only people within the family who have a friendly relationship with each other are Baeksan and his mom lol
Echoing others - this drama was actually passable until the extension was announced. I don't remember the exact point but just know that when you get to the Eunhye subplot that is when the story starts going off the rails and plot lines get dropped out of nowhere ie Hwayoung poisoning the grandfather or Baekho's ear touching habit / family secret
IMO the only good things about this drama are that it shows Eunjung's skills as an actress, she did a very good job at portraying twins - Seorin and Jangmi felt like two different people. I also liked Taepyung, my personal dark horse. I wasn't expecting to like him as much but he became one of my favorites once he dropped the trot shit. I am a fan of Oh Hyunkyung and Eunjung so it was low-key hilarious seeing them be mortal enemies (when they were last casted as long lost mother and daughter in Suji & Uri lol)
Now the bad aka what I didn't like: - the extension!! ruined this drama imo - Sukhee having the mental age of 5 for like 110 episodes. - Junho going from cold city man to complete obsessive psycho got old real quick (at one point I actually liked Junho better than Baekho but that was before the writer went off the rails) - Sukhee being Eunhye was a stupid twist - Hongju and her mom were completely shafted. You'd think they would have more of a role per the summary and official promo materials but instead of getting the villains we were promised we got gag characters. - this is exclusive to Seo Hyunjoo's dramas but after watching this, the third marriage and pink lipstick I can safely say that she doesn't know how to write revenge. (Apparently the revenge in the second husband was good) The female leads in her dramas either rely heavily on the male leads (there was a point of the drama where Taepyung and Baekho were the only ones getting shit done) and when they do choose to act on their own, they do childish shit like powertrip over water or dress up as an Arabian heiress. OR they do nothing at all and the villains end up taking themselves out... The only way the FL gets "revenge" in SHJ's dramas is often by marrying someone who is powerful... (and not the ML, so not marrying for love) then not actually doing anything. What does happen is this triggers angst and a love triangle with the ML... which completely overtakes and overshadows the revenge plot... Until the last week or so then the characters suddenly remember and shit gets rushed in the end.
Now what Seo Hyunjoo is great for is writing these intense "I'm going to get revenge" monologues that are excellent but not actually making the characters ACT on these feelings outside of the childish antics I detailed above. so the viewer is left with the feeling of wanting more but being served a bare plate.
Meanwhile the villains are disproportionately more successful, ruthless, and cause more damage than the leads ever could. They feel more like the lead character than the actual FL/ML. I think if I ever attempt to watch this again (so basically, when it's a cold day in hell) I will go in with the mindset that Hwayoung is the main character because she kinda is. Just like whenever I try to rewatch the third marriage (I'm a completionist) I'm going in with the mindset that Seran is the main character
I also find her dramas to be very dated when it comes to romance ... Feels like I'm watching a daily from the early 2010s from the way the FL and ML meet to the stupid brother vs brother love triangle over a Mary Sue FL. I feel like this would've been way stronger of a drama if Jangmi and the brothers teamed up to take down Hwayoung, or if junho had to be evil, have him team up with hongju and hwayoung... have jangmi and baekho team up to stop hongju and junho from taking over dream and Seorin acting as a wildcard or SOMETHING.
Don't get me started on the ending and making Seorin endgame in the afterlife with a character who openly disrespected her and even played a part in her death. IMO I hate when drama writers try to involve the afterlife in their endings it seems like a cop out.
Fun fact: I've yet to finish a drama by Seo Hyunjoo and I probably never will. I'm sure she's getting to work on "The Fourth ________" as we speak lol
MBCs daily drama department desperately needs a quality audit. I'm excited for Family Register on Monday however my expectations are going to be super low. On the flip side, The Woman Who Swallowed the Sun and The First Man were so bad that the bar for Family Register is currently in hell. At this point it would take effort for Family Register to be worse than the latter two
5.5/10. And 4 of those stars are only due to Eunjung's portrayal of the twins. The .5 comes from the fact that I was invested in the story at one time. Funny thing is, if this crap never got extended, my final rating would've been in the 7-7.5 range.
see you in the comment section for Family Register!
Chanbin is an insufferable brat as an adult ... Looking forward to when he stops acting like an entitled jerk
The A-plot is interesting... makjang AF. In terms of other dramas it's like a mix of Pearl in Red with Game of Witches. Par the course, gag characters/scenes are not funny and are actually kinda annoying but hopefully they show up less frequently as the A plot advances lol because right now the "comedy" takes away from the drama
Dalrae and Jjilrae are complete chickenheads and I don't like Hongdo (Ohwol) or her family as they are obnoxious lol Minho's mom is also super annoying. I don't actually mind Mari (I feel like Kim Heejung is in everything lol but I respect it)
I DO like Deukye and Sejoon. Sawol is good as a main character and I have a feeling that Hyesang is going to turn into a great villain lol
lowkey excited for this because i am interested in the plot... from what i can understand. jini is the daughter…
speculation but i think noh youngju was married to jeon no-min's character (minki) and seri caused them to break up by having an affair with him + getting pregnant with his child. Seri probably approaches Minki with Jini and that leads to Minki leaving Youngju, "destroying the family" just a guess but one thing is for sure... i am actually looking forward to the "flashback" scenes of this drama lol
lowkey excited for this because i am interested in the plot... from what i can understand. jini is the daughter of seri but jini is the product of an affair (see spoiler for my theory)
in kdramas the trope is that the affair child gets treated with a scarlet letter hence the talk of the "sin" in this drama's promos and "harsh judgement" from the summary above. i think this drama will focus on jini trying to break out of that identity by way of becoming an animator with a side of makjang antics
well, it can't be any worse than the first man and woman who swallowed the sun... right?
I see that you've finished it, what are your overall thoughts? 👀
So I gave it a 7/10!
Breaking it down I loved the premise I loved how morally wrong Junhyuk and Hyewon were with their scheme involving the surgery. Park Hana always eats these intense FL roles up and I liked her as Eundong. (And I love her relationship with Eunchan)
As for what I didn't like... the second quarter was focused too much on jihoon's maternity search and I felt like Myeonghee personally wasn't wrong for suspecting Dushim, chairman Han should've been honest but you know dailies are gonna daily lol
I stopped hating Dushim so much once she started speaking up and getting assertive lol but anyway. I could at least tolerate the storyline because I liked Jihoon. But what I couldn't tolerate? How the entire last quarter became the "chairman choi is dying show" ... like after seeing EVERY SINGLE member of the chois be a pos am I supposed to feel bad that the dad is dying? lol I did enjoy the fact that Junhyuk was basically going through what he put eundong through. Anyway I felt like too much time was spent on that storyline and I was low-key relieved when it ended. Like do you know how hard it is to give af about the Chois lol
Also I may be tripping but I don't think Hyewon faced any sort of consequences? She just disappeared towards the end of the series 🤷🏾♀️ I really wanted to see her get jumped in a prison cell lmao. Speaking of her the scenes with Hyewon, her mom, and Eundongs roommates started to annoy me towards the end
Romance was dumb ) I didn't agree with the bs reasoning behind Jihoon leaving Eundong (because juran wanted to kidnap Eunchan... somehow it's jihoons fault and not juran who you know, actually committed the crime lol) but Eundong absolutely destroyed the Choi family so for that I put this on my daily dramas I'd watch again list!
(And btw idk if you saw but in the new KBS2 daily, Jang Seohee is playing the villain so we're getting another new drama with a villain FL 👀)
Comment under me spoiled it but I like sandeul better than taepoong so if seoyeon ends up with sandeul at the…
I think I will like taepoong more as he matures! I actually love how committed he is to destroying le blanc from the inside lol. as for park yoonjae I've only ever seen him in Queen's House so it's .... different seeing him play a nice character lol. for 2020s dailies, my favorite is definitely Game of Witches for MBC and as for KBS2... the competition is a bit stiffer for that channel so I'll have to think about this one lol
one of the writers for this drama went on to write pearl in red so I can't help but to make a comparison but just like PIR, the biggest flaw with VtB is the gag scenes/side characters lmaoooo i don't care about insoon getting bullied by the rich wives or the struggles of her being "uneducated" and i DEFINITELY don't care about this love triangle with daebak soonyoung and the guy who works with soonyoung. Insoon is kinda a main character so I don't really skip her scenes but whenever I see the fast food trio on my screen? especially daebak??? Immediate fast forward!
The A plot is good enough to keep me watching, especially now that I am at the part where Seoyeon joins Le Blanc 👀
FINALLY!!!! Got sick of watching it on YouTube lol
yes and the article I read she says she hopes to win best actress for a KBS drama. I wish the article had just a smidge of plot details... but I'm hoping that both MBC and KBS2's upcoming dailies are better than the current ones. btw: toxic parents was recommended to me on tubi recently so I am taking this as my sign to watch it...
secrets and lies is starting to get interesting (it was starting to drag for me outside of the scenes at MBS) now that I got to the part where joowon exposed hwakyung to grandpa and hwakyung gets kicked out for being fake... and the birth secret surrounding the brothers. of course, i still hate woojung lol
i'm still early on in vengeance of the bride to really have an opinion on it tbh but the set up is intense which I love...
The follow up drama to this one has been announced: tentative title is Trap of Desire (욕망의 덫). Jang Seohee (Temptation of Wife, Game of Witches) has been cast as the FL. Starts in August after the end of Pearl in Red
Getting around to watching this (I'm running out of dailies to watch on KOCOWA smh)Two things: this has my favorite…
Comment under me spoiled it but I like sandeul better than taepoong so if seoyeon ends up with sandeul at the end I can get behind this lol taepoong's crash outs, as valid as they are, are annoying lol and I dislike chaebol heir mls who have chips on their shoulder until they meet the FL tbh
insoon is so histronic... why kick out baram and not baeksan if you're that pressed over the "affair" and the guy playing her brother... I think they're why I dropped this the first time around because they're annoying. shit... I don't think I like any of the characters the guy who plays Daebak (seriously, that's his name lol) has played since he tends to get typecast as obnoxious "comedic relief" characters. Wonder how long it'll take before I start fast forwarding through their scenes
Getting around to watching this (I'm running out of dailies to watch on KOCOWA smh)
Two things: this has my favorite posters of any of the 2020s daily dramas and Kang Baeksan is wild 😭
My thoughts so far as I'm on episode 7 it's good so far. Kinda intense tbh. Hopefully the romance doesn't bog down the revenge too much (I care more about the latter than the former....)
I like how Insoon and Baeksan named their kids Taepoong (typhoon), Baram (wind) and Bada (sea) nice theme they have going on lol
Deadass??? Myung-Jun is one of the roots of all evil here! 😭
I want Hwakyung to destroy him lol I'm on the part where she gets kicked out the house and I feel bad 😔
Joowon pmo with her "I'm doing this to help Hwakyung" schtick lmao it's kinda not her place??? I have a feeling Hwakyung meant it when she said she would destroy her and Woojung so I'm excited lol
Also I hated how at the dinner at the villa joowon was being passive aggressive and being like "(Hwakyung) is greedy and ambitious" bc she didn't gaf that her drunk father that abandoned her was dying yet it's okay for Woojung to want more because of who her mom is...
Admittedly i came into this drama expecting Phoenix 2020/The Two Sisters levels of BS because at the time of writing, this was the last daily drama to air on SBS. I say all that to say that this was a way stronger effort than the two aforementioned dramas. For starters, none of the leads left/got fired midway through the drama 🤭 This really wasn't a bad drama at all. There were only really one flaw I had with the story:
The side characters did eventually start taking up more screentime and their subplots started to overshadow the plot related to the leads (Yeonhee and Jaekyung). When it was Yoonchul's (stupid) romance plot or Seowoo and Hyungjin's pregnancy it wasn't really much of an issue because Yuna was still being Villain of the Year. But at the end ... things started dragging. I would say everything after Yuna goes to prison can be viewed as an epilogue of sorts. Some of it is relevant to the plot (like Haneul learning about Yuna's crimes) but some of it I just skipped because it was filler. Ie... Junhee having a relationship with her coworker and Woojoo apparently being adopted?
That being said the writer missed an opportunity for Yuna to attempt to break out of prison lmao...
I give it a 7.5/10. Now SBS, start producing dailies again 😂
But it is - Seoyeon is now sad over Bada potentially dying ... Even tho Bada has always treated Seoyeon/Baram like shit LOL. I DO like how both Seoyeon and Bada call back to Insoon's attempt and the trauma from that, and how both girls were affected by it differently... Baram correctly identifying it as manipulative behavior and Bada doing the same because Insoon normalized that behavior.
That being said I liked Taepoong telling Insoon to fall back and telling Sandeul to go and see Seoyeon. Insoon was pissing me off during that scene! "You can't leave the hospital until Bada says so!" LMFAOOOO??? It was said Bada and Sandeul were in a "relationship" but they clearly weren't. That's why this "sandeul is cheating" shit is so dumb
I stand with Jung Moyeon (also interesting this is the first time in a while I've seen Ji Suwon play a good character lol) but I do wonder about the mystery of Joyi. I am 99% sure that moyeon is yoonhee. While I disliked Joyi's unrequited crush on Taepoong, I actually like her friendship with Seoyeon because Joyi's sunniess balances out Seoyeon's angst.
I said I didn't like seeing Insoon get bullied by the other rich housewives (you expect me to feel bad for a character who's a piece of shit?) but I like those scenes now that Moyeon is standing on business.
As far as toxic chaebol families go, the family from Secret House takes the crown when it comes to secrets and dysfunction followed by the chaebol family from Secrets and Lies. I think the Kangs might be coming up close. Like literally the only people within the family who have a friendly relationship with each other are Baeksan and his mom lol
IMO the only good things about this drama are that it shows Eunjung's skills as an actress, she did a very good job at portraying twins - Seorin and Jangmi felt like two different people.
I also liked Taepyung, my personal dark horse. I wasn't expecting to like him as much but he became one of my favorites once he dropped the trot shit. I am a fan of Oh Hyunkyung and Eunjung so it was low-key hilarious seeing them be mortal enemies (when they were last casted as long lost mother and daughter in Suji & Uri lol)
Now the bad aka what I didn't like:
- the extension!! ruined this drama imo
- Sukhee having the mental age of 5 for like 110 episodes.
- Junho going from cold city man to complete obsessive psycho got old real quick (at one point I actually liked Junho better than Baekho but that was before the writer went off the rails)
- Sukhee being Eunhye was a stupid twist
- Hongju and her mom were completely shafted. You'd think they would have more of a role per the summary and official promo materials but instead of getting the villains we were promised we got gag characters.
- this is exclusive to Seo Hyunjoo's dramas but after watching this, the third marriage and pink lipstick I can safely say that she doesn't know how to write revenge. (Apparently the revenge in the second husband was good) The female leads in her dramas either rely heavily on the male leads (there was a point of the drama where Taepyung and Baekho were the only ones getting shit done) and when they do choose to act on their own, they do childish shit like powertrip over water or dress up as an Arabian heiress. OR they do nothing at all and the villains end up taking themselves out... The only way the FL gets "revenge" in SHJ's dramas is often by marrying someone who is powerful... (and not the ML, so not marrying for love) then not actually doing anything. What does happen is this triggers angst and a love triangle with the ML... which completely overtakes and overshadows the revenge plot... Until the last week or so then the characters suddenly remember and shit gets rushed in the end.
Now what Seo Hyunjoo is great for is writing these intense "I'm going to get revenge" monologues that are excellent but not actually making the characters ACT on these feelings outside of the childish antics I detailed above. so the viewer is left with the feeling of wanting more but being served a bare plate.
Meanwhile the villains are disproportionately more successful, ruthless, and cause more damage than the leads ever could. They feel more like the lead character than the actual FL/ML. I think if I ever attempt to watch this again (so basically, when it's a cold day in hell) I will go in with the mindset that Hwayoung is the main character because she kinda is. Just like whenever I try to rewatch the third marriage (I'm a completionist) I'm going in with the mindset that Seran is the main character
I also find her dramas to be very dated when it comes to romance ... Feels like I'm watching a daily from the early 2010s from the way the FL and ML meet to the stupid brother vs brother love triangle over a Mary Sue FL. I feel like this would've been way stronger of a drama if Jangmi and the brothers teamed up to take down Hwayoung, or if junho had to be evil, have him team up with hongju and hwayoung... have jangmi and baekho team up to stop hongju and junho from taking over dream and Seorin acting as a wildcard or SOMETHING.
Don't get me started on the ending and making Seorin endgame in the afterlife with a character who openly disrespected her and even played a part in her death. IMO I hate when drama writers try to involve the afterlife in their endings it seems like a cop out.
Fun fact: I've yet to finish a drama by Seo Hyunjoo and I probably never will. I'm sure she's getting to work on "The Fourth ________" as we speak lol
MBCs daily drama department desperately needs a quality audit. I'm excited for Family Register on Monday however my expectations are going to be super low. On the flip side, The Woman Who Swallowed the Sun and The First Man were so bad that the bar for Family Register is currently in hell. At this point it would take effort for Family Register to be worse than the latter two
5.5/10. And 4 of those stars are only due to Eunjung's portrayal of the twins. The .5 comes from the fact that I was invested in the story at one time. Funny thing is, if this crap never got extended, my final rating would've been in the 7-7.5 range.
see you in the comment section for Family Register!
The A-plot is interesting... makjang AF. In terms of other dramas it's like a mix of Pearl in Red with Game of Witches. Par the course, gag characters/scenes are not funny and are actually kinda annoying but hopefully they show up less frequently as the A plot advances lol because right now the "comedy" takes away from the drama
Dalrae and Jjilrae are complete chickenheads and I don't like Hongdo (Ohwol) or her family as they are obnoxious lol Minho's mom is also super annoying. I don't actually mind Mari (I feel like Kim Heejung is in everything lol but I respect it)
I DO like Deukye and Sejoon. Sawol is good as a main character and I have a feeling that Hyesang is going to turn into a great villain lol
just a guess but one thing is for sure... i am actually looking forward to the "flashback" scenes of this drama lol
in kdramas the trope is that the affair child gets treated with a scarlet letter hence the talk of the "sin" in this drama's promos and "harsh judgement" from the summary above. i think this drama will focus on jini trying to break out of that identity by way of becoming an animator with a side of makjang antics
well, it can't be any worse than the first man and woman who swallowed the sun... right?
(And Jacqueline Taylor is an icon!!)
Breaking it down I loved the premise I loved how morally wrong Junhyuk and Hyewon were with their scheme involving the surgery. Park Hana always eats these intense FL roles up and I liked her as Eundong. (And I love her relationship with Eunchan)
As for what I didn't like... the second quarter was focused too much on jihoon's maternity search and I felt like Myeonghee personally wasn't wrong for suspecting Dushim, chairman Han should've been honest but you know dailies are gonna daily lol
I stopped hating Dushim so much once she started speaking up and getting assertive lol but anyway. I could at least tolerate the storyline because I liked Jihoon. But what I couldn't tolerate? How the entire last quarter became the "chairman choi is dying show" ... like after seeing EVERY SINGLE member of the chois be a pos am I supposed to feel bad that the dad is dying? lol I did enjoy the fact that Junhyuk was basically going through what he put eundong through. Anyway I felt like too much time was spent on that storyline and I was low-key relieved when it ended. Like do you know how hard it is to give af about the Chois lol
Also I may be tripping but I don't think Hyewon faced any sort of consequences? She just disappeared towards the end of the series 🤷🏾♀️ I really wanted to see her get jumped in a prison cell lmao. Speaking of her the scenes with Hyewon, her mom, and Eundongs roommates started to annoy me towards the end
Romance was dumb ) I didn't agree with the bs reasoning behind Jihoon leaving Eundong (because juran wanted to kidnap Eunchan... somehow it's jihoons fault and not juran who you know, actually committed the crime lol) but Eundong absolutely destroyed the Choi family so for that I put this on my daily dramas I'd watch again list!
(And btw idk if you saw but in the new KBS2 daily, Jang Seohee is playing the villain so we're getting another new drama with a villain FL 👀)
one of the writers for this drama went on to write pearl in red so I can't help but to make a comparison but just like PIR, the biggest flaw with VtB is the gag scenes/side characters lmaoooo i don't care about insoon getting bullied by the rich wives or the struggles of her being "uneducated" and i DEFINITELY don't care about this love triangle with daebak soonyoung and the guy who works with soonyoung. Insoon is kinda a main character so I don't really skip her scenes but whenever I see the fast food trio on my screen? especially daebak??? Immediate fast forward!
The A plot is good enough to keep me watching, especially now that I am at the part where Seoyeon joins Le Blanc 👀
secrets and lies is starting to get interesting (it was starting to drag for me outside of the scenes at MBS) now that I got to the part where joowon exposed hwakyung to grandpa and hwakyung gets kicked out for being fake... and the birth secret surrounding the brothers. of course, i still hate woojung lol
i'm still early on in vengeance of the bride to really have an opinion on it tbh but the set up is intense which I love...
I've recently finished fatal promise and secret house and I've now been watching secrets and lies, and recently started vengeance of the bride!
Btw have you heard that Jang Seohee is going to be the FL of the next KBS2 daily?
https://m.entertain.naver.com/home/article/241/0003514577
insoon is so histronic... why kick out baram and not baeksan if you're that pressed over the "affair" and the guy playing her brother... I think they're why I dropped this the first time around because they're annoying. shit... I don't think I like any of the characters the guy who plays Daebak (seriously, that's his name lol) has played since he tends to get typecast as obnoxious "comedic relief" characters. Wonder how long it'll take before I start fast forwarding through their scenes
Two things: this has my favorite posters of any of the 2020s daily dramas and Kang Baeksan is wild 😭
My thoughts so far as I'm on episode 7 it's good so far. Kinda intense tbh. Hopefully the romance doesn't bog down the revenge too much (I care more about the latter than the former....)
I like how Insoon and Baeksan named their kids Taepoong (typhoon), Baram (wind) and Bada (sea) nice theme they have going on lol
Joowon pmo with her "I'm doing this to help Hwakyung" schtick lmao it's kinda not her place??? I have a feeling Hwakyung meant it when she said she would destroy her and Woojung so I'm excited lol
Also I hated how at the dinner at the villa joowon was being passive aggressive and being like "(Hwakyung) is greedy and ambitious" bc she didn't gaf that her drunk father that abandoned her was dying yet it's okay for Woojung to want more because of who her mom is...
https://youtu.be/uB4rjdEbzIU?is=PRQ4Feu3SccwCGGT
The side characters did eventually start taking up more screentime and their subplots started to overshadow the plot related to the leads (Yeonhee and Jaekyung). When it was Yoonchul's (stupid) romance plot or Seowoo and Hyungjin's pregnancy it wasn't really much of an issue because Yuna was still being Villain of the Year. But at the end ... things started dragging. I would say everything after Yuna goes to prison can be viewed as an epilogue of sorts. Some of it is relevant to the plot (like Haneul learning about Yuna's crimes) but some of it I just skipped because it was filler. Ie... Junhee having a relationship with her coworker and Woojoo apparently being adopted?
That being said the writer missed an opportunity for Yuna to attempt to break out of prison lmao...
I give it a 7.5/10. Now SBS, start producing dailies again 😂