I get your point, and I agree it's good when a show can add some depth to the fluff (although fluff is good too!),…
I wouldn't want to see Bl stop being BL entirely, either. Romances and young loves have their place. Straight women can enjoy them and they were denied to LGBT people for so long...
That said, I think there are tropes the genre could shed without damaging it: NonCon being number 1. In this day and age, it simply has no place in any genre unless it's shown as the crime it is.
Personally, I find the the "I'm not gay, I only like him" trope isn't necessary in any story and is offensive.
I'm OK with much of what you've written but I must bring up one thing:
"It only makes sense that there is some fetishisation and generalizations and etc. "
So, is some cultural fetishisation, OK, too? Racial fethishisation? Many people of minority cultural and/or racial backgrounds would disagree quite strongly with that. What makes the orientations of millions OK to fetishise? Please understand that I'm not trying to jump down your throat about it but I feel called upon to put out that food for thought.
I feel that the movie shines a light on the lives of LGBT seniors, but that's all it really does. As a 53 year old man, I was hoping for some character growth, at least. It almost seems to say that, once you're over a certain age, that one must maintain facades over everything else. Disappointing...
It was also a damning indictment on the men who have/had families that they left it up to the Queens to speak. Where would LGBT people be today if not for the bravery of those who couldn't blend in and hide?
I get your point, and I agree it's good when a show can add some depth to the fluff (although fluff is good too!),…
If BL is defined as the traditional Seme meets Uke, decides he must "have" Uke, wins over or coerces Uke, and so on, then I'd be happy to see series that couldn't be called BL.
Maybe they could be defined as ML or LGBT? Stories that add more depth to relational dynamics and the real world obstacles LGBT people face? Or stories like this one where the romance is an important component but not the sole focus?
A portion of gay men find BL offensive, in that it's perceived as fetishisation, and trivialisation of our experiences. (Akin to cultural or racial fetishisation.) I wouldn't say I necessarily think that way but when I look at the series that I've enjoyed they do tend to less traditionally fit the BL mold.
Wow. Truthful in addressing topics like acceptance and rejection, of society and individuals, the ebb and flow of joys and sorrows, and the idea that while we do not have mastery over so many things, we can try our best to stand with those we love in all things. It's brutally bittersweet, but worthwhile. Many thanks to the producers and to the leads who put in such moving performances. In these moments, Porsche and Nuer will love forever, and I'm sure I'll rewatch it and cry buckets everytime.
Completely agree as well. I said that before and got gang-piled, but I think we need to call it like it is. This…
And, that I agree is a reasonable opinion, even if I don't share it. I still don't think it is a matter of calling it as it is. Reading it on the screen can, indeed, look like an assertion. Perhaps it's a matter of a peeve with the expression, itself,on my part.
Love by Chance's rape still pisses me off... and if they don't deal with it in Season 2, I'm gonna be really really…
It's been a pleasure talking with you, as well. Before it became filled with ignorance and petty hatred, social media, truly had the potential to connect people the world over to share commonalities and community. I don't use things like Facebook or Instagram anymore (or hookup apps, either) because I feel that they've become toxic but in this little forum, it's a delight to meet people such as yourself. All the best. =)
I get your point, and I agree it's good when a show can add some depth to the fluff (although fluff is good too!),…
While it may not be intended to fix the world, I think that it has brought a subject up that can raise awareness among viewers of the genre who might not otherwise give much thought to it.
One of the strengths of science fiction, for example, is that it can raise topics in a way which is illustrative without being overly confrontational. A "soft sell" approach, if you will.
I maintain that the show, while not perfect, (fault can always be found) has done things I haven't seen in other BLs and that I hope to see more like this.
I get your point, and I agree it's good when a show can add some depth to the fluff (although fluff is good too!),…
I'm uncertain as to why you keep wanting to add expectation upon expectation to this series, but you're entitled to your opinion. I think we have to agree to disagree.
IMO, it doesn't absolve Rung of doing this to her own sister. The men behind it are monsters, but so is Rung.
When I originally wrote in the above post "And I agree that the abuse of men in authority over the vulnerable of any gender is a societal evil that should be confronted and punished" I was typing quickly and made the error of typing "OF men..."
I think faster than I type and sometimes mix things up without realising it. OF men would imply other men were the victims. I meant it to read "BY men.." identifying them as the criminals, but couldn't get back into the post to correct it. I hope that helps.
IMO, it doesn't absolve Rung of doing this to her own sister. The men behind it are monsters, but so is Rung.
I don't watch Asian dramas really beyond LGBT themed ones. If women are consistently portrayed in these ways, then I would agree that it is, indeed, a problem that should be spoken out on and addressed.
That said, I think there are tropes the genre could shed without damaging it: NonCon being number 1. In this day and age, it simply has no place in any genre unless it's shown as the crime it is.
Personally, I find the the "I'm not gay, I only like him" trope isn't necessary in any story and is offensive.
I'm OK with much of what you've written but I must bring up one thing:
"It only makes sense that there is some fetishisation and generalizations and etc. "
So, is some cultural fetishisation, OK, too? Racial fethishisation? Many people of minority cultural and/or racial backgrounds would disagree quite strongly with that. What makes the orientations of millions OK to fetishise? Please understand that I'm not trying to jump down your throat about it but I feel called upon to put out that food for thought.
It was also a damning indictment on the men who have/had families that they left it up to the Queens to speak. Where would LGBT people be today if not for the bravery of those who couldn't blend in and hide?
Maybe they could be defined as ML or LGBT? Stories that add more depth to relational dynamics and the real world obstacles LGBT people face? Or stories like this one where the romance is an important component but not the sole focus?
A portion of gay men find BL offensive, in that it's perceived as fetishisation, and trivialisation of our experiences. (Akin to cultural or racial fetishisation.) I wouldn't say I necessarily think that way but when I look at the series that I've enjoyed they do tend to less traditionally fit the BL mold.
One of the strengths of science fiction, for example, is that it can raise topics in a way which is illustrative without being overly confrontational. A "soft sell" approach, if you will.
I maintain that the show, while not perfect, (fault can always be found) has done things I haven't seen in other BLs and that I hope to see more like this.
"tell/call it like it is "
phraseinformal
DEFINITION:
to give the real facts about something, even if they are unpleasant
Real facts refer to objective truths
I think faster than I type and sometimes mix things up without realising it. OF men would imply other men were the victims. I meant it to read "BY men.." identifying them as the criminals, but couldn't get back into the post to correct it. I hope that helps.