Lovely

there is an older guy and a younger guy.
the younger moving and and doing his best to convince the older into a relationship that has a future and a family.

after so many people commenting and replying the same thing, I honestly feel pressure to like this.

well it's unlogisch in German, so excuse my bilingual brain.
I already said, that I get Pete's problems and insecurities, though
I don't get how Tin is someone he looks up to. so far, with Tin's very repellent personality it doesn't make sense to me why he would approach someone like him anyway, but well "are people ever logical when it comes to love/infatuation?" (yes, they can be)
just because I critize Pete's behaviour doesn't mean I am not happy about flawed characters.
if anyone would cared about the other few things I listed under the things I didn't like about this ep, then maybe we could say that it was just bad acting or bad directing.

I think the Sung siblings from Reply 1998 are my faves. directly after them come the Byun siblings from My Father is Strange

since they are other things listed about what I didn't like about this ep, I think it is more you all that focus on that fact. it's not even the thing I disliked the most. lol

because I disagree with them, I find it stupid.
Pete being unsure, I do understand it, I just can't relate, I accept that.
But there really is no excuse for Ae. You are not growing up in this world, not knowing what a kiss means to people. not knowing what the desire to kiss someone means for you. I do understand that it is difficult for Ae to understand that he is bi or gay, but just out of courtesy you don't just go ahead and kiss your gay friend and make him even more insecure and leading him on.
His behaviour is unlogical because is appears he already came to terms with himself wanting to be with Pete, then sometimes he is shown to be confused but then he is shown to be quite sure. For someone that cares so much for his friend, I don't understand how he could just kiss him without thinking about Pete's feelings.

the first part is to debate, however I still disagree about the Tin thing. It took Pete way to long to voice his opinion anyway, when Tin left Pete didn't even seem angry at him. I am almost a 100% sure that they won't have a confrontation about it in the next ep and Tin will just let it slide. For me that's stupid.
Also, like I listed, those weren't the only things I disliked about this ep.

No, it wasn't just a refreshing green tea because Hyun Jung nagged at Mi Rae, saying she wants to lose weight too, that Mi Rae shouldn't be selfish since she, Hyung Jung, had a little of a belly right now.

Yes, I agree. Since I feel like they are really trying to deliver feminist views, it is very disappointing to see that most of the guys are portrayed as ignorant and superficial. Only the men around Mi Rae are decent humans what really delivers the wrong message in my opinion. But since the drama does good on other topics I am just going to live with it.

it really is not Soo Ah's fault how Chan Woo treated Mi Rae. He could've just leave her alone. From the beginning he had the lowest opinion of Mi Rae, thought she was easy and cheap. Soo Ah trying to get every males attention on herself just revealed his nasty personality earlier. Since Mi Rae was bound to reject him anyway, he would've still treat her the same way because he would not able to accept that a girl, he views as a cheap b*tch, has the "audacity" to reject him when she should be happy that a male shows interest in her anyway. It really would've been the same.
Tae Yong having a weak character doesn't make his behaviour any better and it is still no excuse that he went after Tae Hee, apparently for her personality and because he actually likes chubby girls, but then drops her the minute the pretty girl seems to show interest. He was still in a relationhip with Tae Hee and he still met with Soo Ah thinking they went on dates.
So as much of a snake Soo Ah is, she would have no influence on all of these guys if they weren't as arrogant and superficial. Kyung Suk being the best example.

I'm with you. I found ep 5 very boring and unnecessary. tho I find Ae more annoying

just the whole "you should be with a girl" thing, that girl, Pete doing the minimum when Tin was just bluntly insulting Ae and his friend, the development from kissing a guy to wondering if he even likes him like that, then wonderin why Pete won't reveal his feelings, some characters act way over the top, the acting for all is very mediocre and often cringy, that staredown between Tin and Pete.
the only good scene was Pete with his mum, very cute and natural

As much as I dislike Soo Ah, I gotta say you're probably better off without a guy that leaves you for the prettier girl after a few compliments. As twisted as Soo Ah is, her words really don't have to mean anything really. She never says she likes them romantically and only gives them the most basic compliments. It's just her smiles and eye flattering and the fact that she knows that she's leading them into the wrong direction that makes her so annoying.
I can't be that mad because besides Mi Rae and Kyung Suk, all the other victims kinda had it comming for themselves since they were this hypocritical and superficial. (and like I said all the girls that lost their boyfriends were rather inconveniently safed)

ep 5 was kinda meh and the development was pretty stupid. I really don't know where they`re going with this

I love everything about this besides the product placement. I really don't think they should promote weightloss pills with a girl that struggles under the social beauty pressure and is shown to be bulimic. Seems rather dumb. Generally, the fact that they criticize the beauty pressure on women and then go ahead and show that even Mi Rae and her best friend rather reach for some kind of weightloss detox tea instead of trying to accept themselves for themselves.

Ae was really doing some things that would be questionable in every kind of friendship and he still thought he was straight-

Ae, "straight": doing the gayest things to Pete
Pete, gay: does nothing really.
Ae to his friend: no homo

I agree on all that. It seemed to me like poor writing at first, like kind of a hole in the story because it just doesn't seem reasonable to me, that XF, who is portrayed as this strong, bold character with all his morals on the right place and a perfect future successor, chose to stand still and do nothing for his brother who he loves and that he forgets about all his responsibilites the moment he fell for Jin Mi.
At the same time, I don't see how Night turned on him out of spite like that because despite the abuse, he seemed to love XF the most and valued him as his family and never saw any fault in XF not really helping him. Now that he lost his mother, it seems so wrong to me, that he would turn on him for a girl. Just as I thought, that it was so out of character for him to manipulate the Water Immortal to fix the marriage instead of trying to win her heart first.
I don't really like how they chose to put them against each other and how Night must be the bad one now even though he is the most pitiful character after the Flower Immortal. I think the biggest problem in those characters lies within the fact that they had no ambition at the beginning. XF didn't had a goal before it became to be with Jin Mi and Night didn't had one before it became to be with Jin Mi and then to get his revenge.

I read all you following comments and I definitely agree that XF willfully chose to not do anything. If it isn't poor writing, than I guess it could only be that XF didn't see the importance and the depth of Night's struggles, which really does make him a bad brother.
Honestly, the wholes aside, I can't really chose sides because I do understand them both, it's just sad how their relationship has to fall victim to the Empresses schemes.
As for the romance part, I am Team Jin Mi, so I'll root for XF because that's the one she loves for now.

I love this drama so much.

Park Shi Hoo's acting makes it really difficult for me to continue.