Kate

Only one person from top18 does not have a company. And only Sung Han Bin, Ji Woong, Kum Jun Hyeon, Jay and Matthew are from small or unknown companies. And you literally cannot know which companies are planning to debut a group and which are not. Yes, you can speculate, but you cannot know for sure.

I also don't know from where did the confidence come from that Hui for sure has Pantagon to come back to when their contracts end this year and up till now there is no info that Cube will renew it. I'm literally here preparing mentally for them to disband this year.

People talk as if Cube ever gave a fuck about Pentagon 😂
I won't be surprised if he is here coz Cube is not planning to renew their contracts this year.

The way Mnet REALLY wants Sung Han Bin to be no1 🤣 That's why they showed him being no3 right now. Which I don't even know I believe is true. Not that I don't think he can be lower than 1, but it's more about Taerae being lower than PHan Bin.

Truth to be told, it's hard for me to even be mad about them trying to make sure Sung Han Bin ends up no1, coz even tho he is not my pick, I do want him to create that history and keep the no1 spot from beginning till the end ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Nope. The only difference will be the no1 since he will get a solo on the debut album. The rest of the ranking does not matter in terms of who will get how many lines in the debut album. It might matter more in terms of promotion and screen time in the MV tho, and being center during the performances, since they will want to "promote" more popular members more, so the higher ranked one.

That said, I'm just trying to look at it from logical viewpoint in terms of marketing. Mnet is nuts, it's hard to predict what they want and if they even care if people view the show as rigged or nah 🤡

They need these 3 G members to not get massive backlash. Matthew is a safe pick for them in that regard coz he is Korean, knows Korean, is talented, but still technically is considered not Korean member.

Also, no way they will debut Zhang Hao, Yu Jin, Gyu Vin and Ricky - 4/9 guys from one company? Whenever it would be rigged or not, people would be sus about it and accuse them anyway.

They have been giving Matthew way too much screen time for me to think they want him out. If they want trainee out they usually just not give them screen time at all (like with Jay) or evil editing (a lot of G members), but for Matthew it was all about how sad he is and how much he grew thanks to all the hardships...

They were definitely promoting PHan Bin more past 3 episodes (not complaining since he is my pick) and I'm curious why, coz they for sure did not pay that much attention to him first half of the show.

Some of my favs are missing too. Like, I love Kamden, but I just don't see him in this team. I could have picked him for his rap easily, but if we talk about balancing the team in terms of personalities, marketability, variety skills etc. he would not stand out and match the team.

Trainees I think should debut based not just on the individual talent, but also marketability and creating balance in the group. (in no particular order except no1 - also I did not even add some of my favs 😭)

👑 Sung Han Bin - obvious reason. Center position.
💖 Zhang Hao - obvious reason. Great presence on stage, softer presence off stage - would do good to counterbalance more hyped members.
🎤 Kim Tae Rae - Main vocal. We do not want a group that has passable vocals, but nothing standing out. Also, that smile is a killer. He also has one of the strongest fanbases in Korea so marketable af.
🌍 Keita - all-rounder and helps balance the group with his experience in the industry. Possible leader. Helps with Japanese market, but being fluent in Korean and part of the Korean entertainment industry for a long time makes him also marketable in Korea.
🖊️ Lee Jeong Hyeon - We need rappers. And he can write his own verses. He can hold a note so even with more melodic songs he would not fall behind.
💪🏻 Park Gun Wook - We need rappers pt.2. Not to mention strong stage presence. We also need a maknae with distinctive personality and presence and Gun Wook not being this cute young guy would play to his advantage, especially since he actually is adorable, even if he does not look the part at first.
🎤 Yoo Seung Eon - 2 solid main vocalist is a must. We need 2 vocals and 2 rappers, and the rest can be filled with all-rounders. But yeah, to get more diverse music and sound, we need people who can hit them more difficult notes.
😆 Park Han Bin - Personality wise we need one hype person to lift the mood. Was considering either him or Kum Jun Hyeon, but I simply think the "class clown" image Jun Hyeon has was just too strong (mnet fault) and I don't feel like I saw anything else from him off stage. On the other hand Han Bin would have a strong grip on the team during the practice, and every team needs someone who is both strict, but also encouraging.
🥰 Seok Matthew - aka the "fake" maknae. Yes, we need a cute member in the group. We need a member who can bright the room with just a smile - especially important in interviews and variety shows. He can also easily carry a lead vocal position, as long as no one asks him to belt ad-libs. Extremely marketable for the global audience.

i watched moments here and there, but it was so awkward 🤣 the guys are so not used to lives and as much as i Love Hanbin, he kept getting lost as MC 😂

And he honestly does not have to be. Idols don't have to be good at everything (at least that's what I think lol). He has a great voice, does good on stage, solid dancing and is fun to watch for the variety shows. He does not have to also be good at leading. I just hope he can figure that out, because I feel like he is wasting time to handle things he does not have to.

I'm just confused why you named Hui here out of all the trainees, coz practically it makes no sense, because he was never one to outshine Zhang Hao since they were in a team together ONCE and Zhang Hao was literally the star of that performances voted by the audience 🤣

I'm confused where that idea that Hui is the one ruining it for Zhang Hao comes from. Saying Hui makes it hard for Jay to shine, that I can agree with, but Zhang Hao? There was literally not one situation when it happened.

edit: also, I don't want you to apologize or whatever. I am just trying to understand the logic behind your comment.

What you wrote is that you ae frustrated when Hui is in the same team with Zhang Hao coz then Zhang Hao can never get killing part. Killing part has a specific meaning, but you use it as overall someone who has a lot of screen time in the episode and performance. You are mixing together different roles the trainees might have, hence my replies.

" i am directing my frustation because zhang hao didn't get most vote from trainee as killing part for jelly pop" again, what does it have to do with Hui when it's not like Hui got the killing part and any votes from the trainees himself.

You pointed out Hui when Hui was literally not once the reason Zhang Hao was not able to shine in the performance. That one time they were together in the group Zhang Hao actually shined the most, got the most votes from the live audience and the episode was focused during practice on how hard working he is and how good his korean is in Tom Boy.

So I'm just confused why out of all the trainees you named Hui, when literally Hui and Zhang Hao almost never crossed paths before, and when they ended up in the group, Hui did not take anything away from Zhang Hao.

Yeah sure Hui has a lot of focus on him and gets main vocal parts, but that's not what your first comment talks about. You clearly specified "killing part", which Hui never got, not once.

You said you are salty Zhang Hao never gets killing part when he is in team with Hui, but Hui also never got killing part, so it's not Hui who stops Zhang Hao from getting that killing part, but other trainees who actually got it.

If your issue is Zhang Hao never getting killing part, you are directing your frustration towards wrong person, since Hui never had killing part either.

For me han yu jin is up there skill wise, but he is simply too young to debut, especially with this creepy "noona i love you" narration they are giving him and would probably keep going after he debuts. This child is obviously uncomfortable with it.

One of the reasons I always said to never drag other trainees' names when one is unhappy or sad about their fav's situation. Coz it never leads to any good results - literally never.

yeah but my point is your reply had nothing to do with my comment that you replied to 🤡

I was talking about being leader, not having the killing part. Nothing to do with the performance 🤣

Wild thing to name Hui here when he himself never got killing part 🤣
Sure he always wants to try to get one, but at the end not once he actually got it, so it literally did not affect any of the trainees.