Xiang Liu and Xiao Yao’s Story and Romance

 HeadInTheClouds:

The next time that Xiang Liu drank her blood was as FFBei (I think). And she refused to let him drink from her neck. Because she knew that it is an intimate act. Looked at what happened in the hot spring when she was still a man. Can you imagine, now as a woman and in the intimacy of her bedroom, on her bed with her not wearing undergarment!!!

@blabla100

Her getting turned on is also the reason why, IMO, avoided his neck bites after.  

However, his biting on her wrist still managed to make her feel cool pleasure (in sexual way)

 blabla100:

@HeadInTheClouds

IMO the novel stands out because TH managed to build such an epic character, which is XL. If we take XL out of the picture, all that remains is honestly not that special, above average for sure, but nothing really wow. I am not really a TH fan, at best I have a love-hate relationship with her style. Her characters do stand up though.

I shared your sentiment about Xiang Liu being the standout, and in my opinion the brightest spot of Lost You Forever. I wrote a rant/roast on the novel and the other 3 main characters about a week ago, during the height of my frustration with Xiao Yao and this novel on the other thread:

https://mydramalist.com/discussions/lost-you-forever/112255-xiang-liu-and-you-yes-you?pid=2858631&page=593#p2858631

As you said, the political scheming of this book is amateur and the supposed male lead Cang Xuan's journey to reunite the land etc. was lacklustre. Frankly, it's just the backdrop for Xiao Yao's and her story. And Xiao Yao's herself isn't a particularly likable or dynamic/compelling protagonist - IMO. Without Xiang Liu and the revealed in the epilogue, this novel would not still be gathering attention and discussion. 

I think Tong Hua is a good writer. Her use of words and style are solid. It's just that her books are "romance", but they don't follow the expected romance conventions which leaves some readers frustrated because what they got is not what they were looking for.  I feel less frustrated if I approach LYF through the lens of traumatized characters and their choices, but I too feel frustrated because Xiao Yao is not my cup of tea. But, she's true to the character that TH created so I can't fault Tong Hua for that.

 HeadInTheClouds:

Without Xiang Liu and the revealed in the epilogue, this novel would not still be gathering attention and discussion.

Indeed, TH managed to turn the tables with the epilogue. 

I don't know if I mentioned this before. But I started reading the novel after watching the drama and I started from the point whem CX became the king of Xuan Yuan.  I was kind of shock reading the epilogue. Then I wondered if I missed something which made me re-read the book from the begining. Then reading discussion on several channel also made me realise that I may miss TH's easter eggs hidden in the book. The story itself is average in my opinion and scale. However, she is good at the use of word, short conversation and writing techniques are quite interesting. 

@HeadInTheClouds

Great review, I belive it is very accurate. Most of the time I share the same view, but there are moments when I am conflicted and I look at this story from the opposite side. Maybe because I find it easier to cope with the idea that it was XL who didn't allow things to happen, so I personally can't totally blame XY for not trying. IMO she would had eventually given up everything if XL asked her to. 37 years underwater, after she found out that CX paid XL a mountain for her return she wasn't sure if she is disappointed or relieved. Disappointed for obvious reasons, but relieved?  To me this relieved sounded exactly as what YangZi said în that interview, that she is grateful to XL that he chose to handle things this way, otherwise  IMO she would have followed him without looking back, even în death.  I belive it was him that saved her by pushing her away and not her strong will. She wasn't strong at all when it came to XL, one word from him and it would have been game over, IMO. What is your heart thinking deep down, XL? The crystal ball. XL, why did you pick Gong Gong? I wish I was the one who saved you. As that scene from QS Town went, she kept opening the window, while he kept closing it over and over again. 

@liddi...please help with correction.

Hufftt...sorry, the wifi network was disconnected for a moment.

記者:小說的第一部不到400頁,直到第72頁十七的身份才表露,剛剛進入正題,而小六更是到了第154頁才顯露女人身份。如果說整部小說故事節奏不夠緊湊,你是否贊同? 這才是官方!!!

桐華:這個觀點我不能贊同。沒有無緣無故的愛情,一份感情能經得起時間和各種挫折的磨練,正是因為基礎夠牢固,就像小六和十七。只有理解了他們的愛情是建 立在什麼樣的基礎上的,才會理解何為“長相思”。@沒腦的貓子作者回覆。

鴕鳥石

6-12 13:40

還是喜歡相柳的灑脫,既然明白不能在一起,就徹底斬斷所有念想,不留一點餘地,不會像殷南昭這樣拖拖拉拉,害人害己!

桐華tonghua:我覺得吧,感情永遠是相互的。小天可沒有駱尋這份不論生死地猛撲。小天冷靜的直接把他劃拉出去了--不能入夢

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@卡赫

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Reporter: The first part of the novel is less than 400 pages long. Shiqi’s identity is not revealed until page 72, which is when it gets to the point. Xiaoliu’s identity as a woman is not revealed until page 154. If the story rhythm of the whole novel is not tight enough, do you agree? This is official!!!

Tonghua: I cannot agree with this point of view. There is no love without reason. A relationship can withstand the test of time and various setbacks precisely because the foundation is solid enough, just like Xiaoliu and Shiqi. Only by understanding what kind of foundation their love is based on can we understand what "long lovesickness" is. @ 无 Brainless Cat The author replies.

Ostrich stone

6-12 13:40

I still like Xiang Liu's free and easy attitude. Since I understand that we can't be together, I will completely cut off all thoughts without leaving any room. I won't procrastinate like Yin Nanzhao, harming others and myself!

Tonghua Tonghua: I think the feelings are always mutual. Xiaotian doesn't have Luo Xun's ability to pounce regardless of life or death. Xiaotian calmly pulled him out - he couldn't sleep

Be enlightened

@kah

这个图，咋一看像是桐华在为夭璟打call，可事实呢？

夭璟的感情建立在什么样的基础上？怜悯！虚情假意！何谓“长相思”？思而不得，爱而不能呀！夭璟不是he吗？何来的思而不得？何来的爱而不能？所以桐华这不就是在反讽吗？正确解读是：只有真正看明白了夭璟的虚情假意，才明白什么才是真感情！

小夭一开始的确是很“清醒地”把相柳划到了不能入梦的人，可那又如何呢？后面近百年的梦里，都是谁在梦里反复横跳？这说明啥？真正的爱情是没有理智可言的！

所以你看懂了桐华写一分留九分的写作手法了吗？

再回到书里，夭一直把柳藏得很深很深，很多对柳无法宣之于口的情绪，她都通过把主语换成璟来表达出来，所以很多时候你看到的是夭在思念璟，可其实是在思念柳。主打一个瞒天过海、自欺欺人。

半夜里，小夭从梦里惊醒，好似听到有人叩窗，她光着脚就跳到了地上，几步跃到窗旁，打开窗户：“璟……璟，是你回来了吗？”
苗莆一手拿着明珠灯，一手拿着衣服：“小姐，只是风吹树枝的声音。”
小夭觉得头有些晕，站不稳，她倚在窗上，喃喃说：“真的不是他吗？”
明亮的月光下，窗外一览无余，只有花木，不见人影。小夭失望伤心，幽幽问：“苗莆，你说为什么我一次都没有梦见璟呢？”
苗莆把衣服披到小夭身上，又拿了绣鞋给小夭，不知道该如何回答小夭的问题，只能含糊地说：“奴婢不知道。”
小夭仰头看着月亮，说道：“我很想他。就算真的见不到了，梦里见见也是好的。”

这段，一开头夭从“梦里惊醒”，可是后面夭说一次也没梦到过璟，那么她梦到的是谁？相柳呀！

她好似听到有人叩窗，如果是璟的话，他不是应该从正门进来么，为何要从窗边进？还记得夜探香闺那回么？从窗户进来的人是谁？

看着月亮思念的人儿，又是谁？我都不好意思说了哈哈。

还有这个明珠灯，全名是海贝明珠灯，可以搜一下这个词，小夭已经疯魔到要收集柳子的周边了！思念的人见不到，那就把海贝做成宫灯时刻带在身边吧。

海底那37年，夭恢复听觉后，大海贝的一开一合，在她心中留下了深刻的记忆。再到抢婚后在清水镇那里，柳子关门的声音令夭想起了海贝开合的声音。这些无以言表的深情，该如何宣泄？只能默默地把这盏海贝明珠灯放在床边，像是他守在身边一样，才能渡过一个又一个失眠的夜晚…

小夭走到窗前，看着天上的圆月。
望日是月满之日，璟选定这个日子成婚，应该想要他们的婚姻圆圆满满吧？可竟然是团圆月不照团圆人。

月亮一直是夭柳的意向。这里的圆月、圆满呢？夭放弃了真爱，甚至柳也选择了成全她，选择了自认为圆满的感情，可到头来却是一场空。对月行礼，可以看出夭对圆满已经有一种执念了。

小夭望着碧蓝的天空，没有被欺骗的愤怒，没有将死的恐惧，只有希望破灭后的悲伤。从小到大，她一直活得很辛苦，一颗心一直在漂泊，总觉得自己随时会被抛弃，和璟订婚后，一颗心终于安稳了，本以为一切都不一样了，可没想到璟竟然走了，他像她的父母一样，也因为不得已的原因，不得不抛弃了她。未来的日子太漫长，她不想再痛苦地坚持，既然璟长眠在这片海域中，她愿意和他在一起。

璟死了，她最大的感受是希望破灭后的悲伤，以为终于可以安定下来了，到头来却啥也得不到。这里说她愿意和他一起葬身于东海，可是后面夭想起了苗圃后，突然又不想死了，难道说璟也比不上苗圃了吗？东海是谁的地盘？

被关水晶棺，夭刚开始是死命地想踹开的，求生意志满满，可发现遭遇了大涡流后，她又很想水晶棺能再结实一点，为啥呀？因为夭在等柳来英雄救美呀！

小夭几疑是梦，呆呆地看着相柳。

“几疑是梦”！夭究竟是梦到了多少回，才傻傻地分不清梦境还是现实？（halo～能注意点形象吗？你未婚夫刚死呢…）

柳问了夭几次凶手是谁，可夭又开始逃避了，气得柳要解蛊，不想跟她这个蠢女人捆绑在一起。吓得夭赶紧转移话题，还不停地戳柳的心窝子：想解蛊想离婚是吧？我现在已经找到有人愿意陪我一生一世了，气不死你！他还会陪我去看你跟我看过的月亮！我还要给他唱我和你的定情歌！哼哼！（一派胡言！）柳子真的整个一个大无语！（拜托，你个刚死了老公的寡妇能不能别这么嬉皮笑脸？）

……

这样的例子太多太多了，夭璟的感情不能细看，全是糖果味的玻璃渣，呵呵。

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At first glance, this picture looks like Tonghua is calling for Yaojing, but what is the reality?

On what basis is Yao Jing's relationship based? mercy! Hypocrisy! What is " Sauvignon Blanc "? You can’t think about it, but you can’t love it! Isn’t Yao Jing he? Why can't you think about it? Why can't I love you? So isn't Tonghua being ironic? The correct interpretation is: Only when you truly understand Yao Jing's hypocrisy can you understand what true feelings are!

Xiaoyao was indeed very "sober" in the beginning and classified Xiang Liu as someone who could not sleep, but so what? In the dreams that followed for nearly a hundred years, who was jumping around repeatedly in the dream? What does this mean? True love has no reason at all!

So do you understand Tonghua’s writing technique of writing one point and leaving nine points?

Going back to the book, Yao has always hidden Liu very deeply. She expresses many of the emotions that she cannot express verbally towards Liu by changing the subject to Jing, so what you often see is that Yao is missing her. Jing, but she is actually missing Liu. The main theme is to hide the truth and deceive oneself and others.

In the middle of the night, Xiaoyao woke up from her dream , as if she heard someone knocking on the window . She jumped to the ground with bare feet, jumped to the window in a few steps, and opened the window: "Jing... Jing, are you back?"
Miao Pu held the pearl lamp in one hand and the clothes in the other: "Miss, it's just the sound of the wind blowing the branches."
Xiaoyao felt dizzy and unsteady, she leaned against the window and murmured: " Isn't it really him? ? " Under
the bright moonlight , there was a clear view outside the window , only flowers and trees , but no people. Xiaoyao was disappointed and sad, and asked quietly: "Miao Pu, why do you think I never dreamed of Jing ?"
Miao Pu put the clothes on Xiaoyao and gave Xiaoyao embroidered shoes. She didn't know how to answer Xiaoyao. When asked the question, he could only say vaguely: " I don't know."
Xiaoyao looked up at the moon and said: " I miss him very much . Even if I really can't see him anymore, it's good to see him in my dreams."

In this paragraph, Yao "awoke from a dream" at the beginning, but then Yao said she had never dreamed of Jing, so who was she dreaming of? Xiang Liu!

She seemed to hear someone knocking on the window. If it was Jing, shouldn't he come in through the front door? Why should he come in through the window? Do you still remember that time when you visited your boudoir at night ? Who came in through the window?

Who is the person looking at the moon and missing me? I’m embarrassed to say it haha.

There is also this Pearl Lamp, its full name is Seashell Pearl Lamp. You can search for this word. Xiaoyao is so crazy that she wants to collect Liuzi ’s peripherals! If you can't see the person you miss, then make a palace lantern from seashells and keep it with you at all times.

During those 37 years at the bottom of the sea, after Yao regained her hearing, the opening and closing of seashells left a deep memory in her heart. Back in Qingshui Town after the robbery , the sound of Liuzi closing the door reminded Yao of the sound of seashells opening and closing. How to express these unspeakable feelings? I can only silently place this seashell pearl lamp beside my bed, as if he is by my side, so that I can survive sleepless nights one after another...

Xiaoyao walked to the window and looked at the full moon in the sky.
Wangri is the day when the moon is full. Jing chose this day to get married. She should want their marriage to be perfect, right? But it turns out that the reunion moon does not shine on the reunion people.

The moon has always been Yaoliu 's intention. What about the full moon and perfection here ? Yao gave up on true love, and even Liu chose to fulfill her, choosing a relationship that he thought was perfect, but in the end it was all in vain. Saluting the moon, it can be seen that Yao already has an obsession with perfection.

Xiaoyao looked at the blue sky. There was no anger at being deceived, no fear of dying, only sadness after her hope was shattered . She has been living a very hard life since she was a child, her heart has been wandering, and she always feels that she will be abandoned at any time. After getting engaged to Jing, her heart finally stabilized. She thought everything was different, but she didn't expect Jing He actually left. Like her parents, he had to abandon her due to unavoidable reasons. The days ahead were too long, and she didn't want to insist in pain anymore. Since Jing was sleeping in this sea, she was willing to be with him.

After Jing died, her biggest feeling was the sadness after her hope was shattered. She thought she could finally settle down, but in the end she got nothing. It is said here that she is willing to be buried with him in the East China Sea, but later when Yao thought of Miaopu , she suddenly didn't want to die anymore. Could it be that Jing was not as good as Miaopu? Whose territory is the East China Sea?

When Yao was imprisoned in the crystal coffin, she desperately wanted to kick it open at first. She was full of will to survive, but after encountering the large vortex, she wanted the crystal coffin to be stronger. Why? Because Yao is waiting for Liu to heroically rescue Mei !

Xiaoyao suspected it was a dream and looked at Xiang Liu blankly.

"It almost seems like a dream"! How many times had Yao dreamed before he could not tell the difference between dream and reality? (halo~ Can you pay attention to your image? Your fiancé just died...)

Liu asked Yao several times who the murderer was , but Yao started to run away again. Liu was so angry that he wanted to get rid of the poison and didn't want to be tied to a stupid woman like her. Frightened, Yao quickly changed the subject and kept poking at Liu's heart: You want to get rid of the curse and want a divorce, right? I have now found someone who is willing to accompany me for the rest of my life. I am so mad at you! He will also accompany me to see the moon that you and I saw! I also want to sing him my love song with you ! Hum! (What nonsense!) Liu Zi was really speechless! (Please, can you, a widow whose husband just died, stop smiling so playfully?)

…

There are too many such examples. Yao Jing's emotions cannot be looked at carefully. They are all candy-flavored glass slag, haha.

Xiao Yao looked down, she had been injured before and knew how long it took to stop hurting. To stop hurting she had to forget! But time was like sand, it would cover up everything in the heart.

But——

Jing, I don’t want to!

If the price to pay to not hurt is to forget you, then I would rather be in pain always so that you can live in my heart, until my life reaches its conclusion.

This paragraph is also the same when they are at the bottom of the sea, when they meet a school of fish, and discusses remembering and forgetting.

數字37的愛情意思是“深情”

因為數字37的漢字拼音諧音十分的 明顯就是「深情」,也就是希望能夠 和自己最心愛的情人一心一意的去 一往情深了!希望兩個人的感情並 不是一時一刻的,也並不是短暫的曇花一現的!

其實,數字37就是一個諧音愛情密碼

37的愛情意思

The love of the number 37 means "deep feeling", because the homonym of the Chinese character Pinyin of the number 37 is obviously "deep feeling", that is to say, I hope I can fall in love with my beloved lover wholeheartedly! I hope that the feelings of two people are not temporary, nor are they short-lived! In fact, the number 37 is a homophonic love code 37 meaning love.