I need a season with just Leon and Pob without literally any drama besides like an argument or two with them making…
Well, that actually might be a little boring, but I know what you mean. Their chemistry is great and they can actually ACT, especially Leon. He is also one of the best-looking BL actors in my opinion.
Everyone is shitting on this so hard and I think it's dumb. I'm just over here enjoying the show for what it is…
"Everyone" is NOT shitting on this series...YOU are posting a positive comment, aren't you? And there are plenty of others. Don't exaggerate the negative commentary here so you can attempt to claim an opposite position. You sound like a desperate K-Pop "army" fan outraged that someone DARED to post a less-than worshipful comment about their idol. lol
Well I’m enjoying this series. To the people that are complaining about there being drama and conflict. That’s…
You're arguing against a straw man, and you know it. No one has "complained about there being drama and conflict." You're right, that is what a drama IS. The problem is HOW it is being done here, through horrible acting and a host of other problems. You, however, claim to like it and that is fine...go ahead and watch/enjoy. No one's stopping you. Just don't put words in the mouths of other commenters so you can argue against points that were never made.
To EVERYONE hating on the drama in this well DRAMA - I FRICKING LIVE FOR IT! Gimme pain, gimme heartbreak! That's…
How does other commenters (like me) expressing our negative opinion of this show do anything to "spoil it for the rest" of you? Go ahead and enjoy it if you like it. No one said you can't.
LOL Just finished watching both halves of this. It is one of, if not THE most hilariously over-the-top, melodramatic BLs of all time. There's no space here to list all of the things wrong with it, but the good news is they are so numerous that when you add them up you have one hell of a good hate-watch, so-bad-it's-good kind of dramas.
I'd forgotten I watched both parts over a year ago but I'm glad I forced myself thru it a second time. Xiao Chen and that constipated, lipless, strained look he used to express every emotion, was perfection. I disliked him from the very first. Always whimpering and whining like a maiden in distress. That mom is perhaps the most horrific BL mom ever. She finds out her sons are gay and of course collapses, then when she discovers one is paralyzed, does she go to him to comfort him...oh no, she staggers back to her room, crawls into bed like she's 95 years old, then dumps another ton of guilt on the constipated son before willing herself to die. Good fucking riddance. Loved the right-out-of-a-manga aphrodisiac-taking, bondage in bed, f**king on a boat, then for some reason they're in a swimming pool scenes...all gloriously beyond all reason and taste. lol Giant corporations hanging by the thread of a fake marriage, XC somehow impregnating that woman he married despite his having bigger ovaries than she, the brother and the miraculous spinal cure, overseas of course!, thunder, lightning, helicopters going down on live TV, all too good to be true.
Only character I liked all the way through was Lu Feng. He was the man!
I salute the makers of this masterpiece of schlock and schtick. It is a classically BAD BL and I mean that in a good way.
Wow, reading some comments, I now know I have to watch this this evening, along with its sequels, prequels, whatever. Oh. Damn. I've already seen them. They are odd and I never got comfortable with the looks of the lead. Must resemble someone I didn't like in my childhood.
I watched it today, for the first time. And the END was.....what was that!? Why???? The movie is wonderful, the…
Damn...yeah, I wish you'd have read comments too. Yes, the end is ridiculously stupid. I thought of two other BLs with endings in this category: the series History - Make Our Days Counnt and the movie Lan Yu. I'm sure there are many more. When I first started watching BLs, I thought "what the hell?"
Why is it absolutely terrible give us some reasons
Exactly why do you think I'm "mad," little Fujoshi? What makes you think I "hate" the series? That's a strong word. I don't have "hatred" toward anyone or anything regarding this show. It's just really bad. Finally, I've only watched eps. 9 and 10 after being told by others how awful it was but how good LeonPob are. I fast-forwarded through those. Is that OK with you?
Finally, why are YOU so mad? Are you First's sister or something?
Why is it absolutely terrible give us some reasons
Who's "us?" The word is not "raison," but "reason." I started to write out a bunch of reasons why this show is terrible, but if you can't see why on your own, that is fine and I don't feel like spending time today trying to convince you otherwise. If you think the show is great, that is fine too. However, in a nutshell: Horrible, very amateur acting. First, I'm looking at you. Terrible direction. Endless scenes of couples standing in profile to the camera, hands clasped, while they talk, talk, talk, talk, and talk some more about things they've already talked about. Yeah, yeah, we get it for the 100th time: Everyone loves Fiat, he's a good person, Leo will stay by his side forever, yada, yada, yada. My favorite horrible direction/writing part was when the two dads were sitting downstairs talking/talking/talking while Fiat is upstairs curled into the fetal position, crying (again) (badly) hysterically. Have I mentioned talking? This series TELLS us what is going on (sort of) instead of SHOWING us what is going on while it's actually happening. The way Fiat says "LAY-OH.) Horrendously bad, lazy writing full of cliches and tropes. The most recent example: Fiat seeing Leo and that girl at the end of ep 10 and immediately assuming the worst and breaking into tears. After Lay-O had just spent TWO episodes telling him how he loves and adores him and will always be by his side and they've had three days and nights of endless sex, Fiat forgets all of that and reverts to "oh my god, Lay-O doesn't love me, he's really straight and wants a woman and he wants THAT woman. He loves HER and not me, oh my god, sob, sob, sob..._ End of episode. PUH-lease. The only way to get through this is to FF to the Leon/Pob scenes.
This show is absolutely terrible, but I am happy to have discovered a new-to-me, super-hot young actor, the guy playing Leon. Wow, something about him werks very well for me. lol And it seems he can actually act. Also, when he does a makeout or sex scene he actually looks like he's into it and the kissing is off the charts with him and Pob. Bravo.
It's telling that the most touching and sorrowful moments to me, and the only ones that made me cry, involved Pob's little cat. :(
Moral: Gay people cheat, and cheating is bad, and makes people mad, and throw things, and cry a lot, and punch…
Drama isn't about "representation" and making sure some moral lessons are taught. You can go to church for that. What about this show makes the claim that ALL gay people behave this way?
Please tell me you are not actually saying that there aren't a gazillion dramas made every year that show STRAIGHT people cheating on each other, getting mad, throwing things, punching each other, etc.? Seriously? About 500 of them come out of Korea alone each year. Nobody owes you the stories you want to see portrayed. If you don't like one, stop watching.
By the way, Ossan's Love (Hong Kong), What Did you Eat Yesterday, and especially Cherry Magic were in the end about as boring and saccharine as you can get. In the latter, we never even got to see the dude lose his "CHERRY" which is what the entire show was predicated on. It was cute and charming to a point and then got obnoxiously super-sweet and shied away from the very thing it spent several episodes building toward. But since that's what we saw in that drama, I guess that's how ALL gay people behave, right?
Main dude needs to dump his friend, though I know it's hard to do when you're nursing a crush on that friend. But this guy is an asshole. Get a freaking masseur on your own time and dime, bitch. The masseur is pretty stupid to not be getting his money up-front. lol
I don't know...people like the friend area a dime a dozen. It would be nice to know why our lead likes him so much. It doesn't seem to be because of his sparkling wit, charm or caring for his friends. But if we took time to learn all that it wouldn't be a short.
I’m still not sure what happened to his partner, did he die? They never answered what was wrong with him, he…
Terrible movie. Some good acting but the mc was self-destructive as hell but wants to blame Gao for his own choices. Gao is a dick, but no one made Kevin take all those chances.
If someone sees this comment and can share some motivations with me, please do so. This is one of those movies where I want to pull for the MC but he does so many stupid things, all while acting sane, that I cant figure out what's happening, let alone get on board with it.
Gao seemed shady from the start to me. Then all of a sudden they are moving in together. Kevin doesn't bother to tell his mom he's moving out until he's packing his bags. BTW, he took a couple of backpacks, after living there all his life. I don't think so. Then he's a little bitch to his mom who just wants to know why he is doing what he's doing, if he had thought it through, that she loves him and will miss him. And he storms out. He moves in with Gao without bothering to confirm that he is divorced, both of their HIV-status, or get a clue about the ongoing IVF with his still-wife to conceive a child, one of the most bizarre aspects of this movie. The ex-wife is hanging on by insisting the sperm for this baby be Gao's, which by the way, is HIV-infected. Should she be doing that? Kevin, EVEN AFTER KNOWING Gao is positive, initiates butt sex with him, completely without protection. He IS TRYING to get the virus. Gao, selfish, uncommunicative prick that he is, does nothing to stop the unprotected sex and fires off a few loads of HIV into his supposed BF. Then, when it looks like he does have the virus, he freaks out and expects everyone to be concerned for him. Hell, he's not even concerned for himself. Why did Gao invite Kevin to that grandpa birthday dinner? He did nothing else nice for him. Then we have the mess going on with the AIDS rumors at the high school, but I guess it turns out that Kevin does NOT have the virus, we are never explicitly told one way or the other. Then Gao's in the hospital but Kevin can't find him. Did he EVER find him? Then the weird VM from Gao's wife telling Kevin to get lost...I have no idea where he was headed, up that huge stone outdoor staircase, while that message was playing. Meanwhile, under all of this, we have the ongoing same-sex marriage fight in Taiwan taking place, but how is that in any way connected to the story of Kevin, Gao, the wife or anyone else? I sure hope he's not ever so stupid as to marry that Gao. Gao, despite being the center of , and the cause of, a lot of this drama, says about four sentences in the whole movie? Why does Kevin love him or even like him? We are never told. Finally, who lays next to their partner in bed at night jacking off, EXCEPT as a cue to their partner to take some action? And then doesn't care about infecting them? That was the most bizarre part of the movie for me. This was a mess with some good acting but terrible story-telling, direction and writiing.
This was beautifully-done and extremely effective. I am so impressed with the absolute naturalism of all the acting. It's as though a few cameras were planted around the school and the kids didn't know they were there. Especially enjoyed the easy, loving banter among the four girls who were such good friends. It felt authentic and set the stage for what was to come.
It was kind of clumsy on the part of the health teacher/nurse to hold her little gay class in only that one classroom. OF COURSE you are going to arouse suspicion, especially among high school students, who are merely more open about the vicious prejudices held by their adult counterparts. They haven't learned yet how to hide what they are really thinking. The LGBT informational class should have been held across the school, in every class, not only to maintain anonyminity, but because everyone needs to hear that message.
It was refreshing that the obnoxious loud kid, the obvious number one suspect about the chalkboard, turned out to have nothing to do with it, and stood up to his friend who voiced prejudicial remarks. It was also amazingly brave of Sakura to do what she did. I mean, why NOT get it over with, since everyone's talking about it anyway?
Was really enjoying this, but now I'm beginning to have some reservations.
I'm not skeeved out about pedophilia; YS is of age. But what doesn't ring true to me, or tells me something I don't care for about WZ, is that he would be satisfied being in a relationship with someone who operates with the intellectual and emotional intelligence/maturity of a five year-old half the time. He is always and all the time going to be the caregiver/taker, and he will never have a discussion with YS on a level playing field because YS is a child. And Noah, who I guess has taken care of YS by being suspicious, skeptical and reserved, is always those things, though he's showing cracks in the walls he's built around him and YS.
WZ seems like a completely normal, well-adjusted, healthy young man. It just seems weird that he would want a primary relationship, or that it would even seem attractive to him, with YS/Noah. It is admirable that he sees someone who is wounded and needs care, but being in an intimate, adult relationship is not the kind of care he needs. Perhaps by undergoing psychological counseling and treatment YS and Noah will merge into one, well-adjusted person but right now it's a little weird. An excellent example of this is when WZ walked ahead of YS because of the remark from that horrid young woman behind them on the street, and YS's childish answer to this was to throw a tantrum and disappear, forcing WZ to panic and search for him. A grown-up would have said " hey, if you're uncomfortable with being affectionate with me in public, then you have some issues to deal with and I can't be in a relationship with you."
It was kind of funny how apparently that "this is so inappropriate" line was dubbed in because at no point did the young lady appear to actually say those words or pay attention to WZ and YS at all. She was just chatting jovially with her male companion. Also, did anyone notice everyone was wearing winter coats except WZ and YS? And that the partially-eaten candy-stick YS was working on had reformed itself when it fell to the ground? And why do people in BLs go running or driving through the streets of gigantic cities like Taipai, looking back and forth and calling, as though they're going to just happen to end up in the same alleyway out of 100,000 alleyways? :D
I'd forgotten I watched both parts over a year ago but I'm glad I forced myself thru it a second time.
Xiao Chen and that constipated, lipless, strained look he used to express every emotion, was perfection. I disliked him from the very first. Always whimpering and whining like a maiden in distress.
That mom is perhaps the most horrific BL mom ever. She finds out her sons are gay and of course collapses, then when she discovers one is paralyzed, does she go to him to comfort him...oh no, she staggers back to her room, crawls into bed like she's 95 years old, then dumps another ton of guilt on the constipated son before willing herself to die. Good fucking riddance.
Loved the right-out-of-a-manga aphrodisiac-taking, bondage in bed, f**king on a boat, then for some reason they're in a swimming pool scenes...all gloriously beyond all reason and taste. lol
Giant corporations hanging by the thread of a fake marriage, XC somehow impregnating that woman he married despite his having bigger ovaries than she, the brother and the miraculous spinal cure, overseas of course!, thunder, lightning, helicopters going down on live TV, all too good to be true.
Only character I liked all the way through was Lu Feng. He was the man!
I salute the makers of this masterpiece of schlock and schtick. It is a classically BAD BL and I mean that in a good way.
Finally, why are YOU so mad? Are you First's sister or something?
The word is not "raison," but "reason."
I started to write out a bunch of reasons why this show is terrible, but if you can't see why on your own, that is fine and I don't feel like spending time today trying to convince you otherwise. If you think the show is great, that is fine too.
However, in a nutshell:
Horrible, very amateur acting. First, I'm looking at you.
Terrible direction. Endless scenes of couples standing in profile to the camera, hands clasped, while they talk, talk, talk, talk, and talk some more about things they've already talked about. Yeah, yeah, we get it for the 100th time: Everyone loves Fiat, he's a good person, Leo will stay by his side forever, yada, yada, yada. My favorite horrible direction/writing part was when the two dads were sitting downstairs talking/talking/talking while Fiat is upstairs curled into the fetal position, crying (again) (badly) hysterically.
Have I mentioned talking? This series TELLS us what is going on (sort of) instead of SHOWING us what is going on while it's actually happening.
The way Fiat says "LAY-OH.)
Horrendously bad, lazy writing full of cliches and tropes. The most recent example: Fiat seeing Leo and that girl at the end of ep 10 and immediately assuming the worst and breaking into tears. After Lay-O had just spent TWO episodes telling him how he loves and adores him and will always be by his side and they've had three days and nights of endless sex, Fiat forgets all of that and reverts to "oh my god, Lay-O doesn't love me, he's really straight and wants a woman and he wants THAT woman. He loves HER and not me, oh my god, sob, sob, sob..._ End of episode. PUH-lease.
The only way to get through this is to FF to the Leon/Pob scenes.
It's telling that the most touching and sorrowful moments to me, and the only ones that made me cry, involved Pob's little cat. :(
Please tell me you are not actually saying that there aren't a gazillion dramas made every year that show STRAIGHT people cheating on each other, getting mad, throwing things, punching each other, etc.? Seriously? About 500 of them come out of Korea alone each year. Nobody owes you the stories you want to see portrayed. If you don't like one, stop watching.
By the way, Ossan's Love (Hong Kong), What Did you Eat Yesterday, and especially Cherry Magic were in the end about as boring and saccharine as you can get. In the latter, we never even got to see the dude lose his "CHERRY" which is what the entire show was predicated on. It was cute and charming to a point and then got obnoxiously super-sweet and shied away from the very thing it spent several episodes building toward. But since that's what we saw in that drama, I guess that's how ALL gay people behave, right?
I don't know...people like the friend area a dime a dozen. It would be nice to know why our lead likes him so much. It doesn't seem to be because of his sparkling wit, charm or caring for his friends. But if we took time to learn all that it wouldn't be a short.
Gao seemed shady from the start to me.
Then all of a sudden they are moving in together.
Kevin doesn't bother to tell his mom he's moving out until he's packing his bags. BTW, he took a couple of backpacks, after living there all his life. I don't think so.
Then he's a little bitch to his mom who just wants to know why he is doing what he's doing, if he had thought it through, that she loves him and will miss him. And he storms out.
He moves in with Gao without bothering to confirm that he is divorced, both of their HIV-status, or get a clue about the ongoing IVF with his still-wife to conceive a child, one of the most bizarre aspects of this movie.
The ex-wife is hanging on by insisting the sperm for this baby be Gao's, which by the way, is HIV-infected. Should she be doing that?
Kevin, EVEN AFTER KNOWING Gao is positive, initiates butt sex with him, completely without protection. He IS TRYING to get the virus. Gao, selfish, uncommunicative prick that he is, does nothing to stop the unprotected sex and fires off a few loads of HIV into his supposed BF.
Then, when it looks like he does have the virus, he freaks out and expects everyone to be concerned for him. Hell, he's not even concerned for himself.
Why did Gao invite Kevin to that grandpa birthday dinner? He did nothing else nice for him.
Then we have the mess going on with the AIDS rumors at the high school, but I guess it turns out that Kevin does NOT have the virus, we are never explicitly told one way or the other.
Then Gao's in the hospital but Kevin can't find him. Did he EVER find him?
Then the weird VM from Gao's wife telling Kevin to get lost...I have no idea where he was headed, up that huge stone outdoor staircase, while that message was playing.
Meanwhile, under all of this, we have the ongoing same-sex marriage fight in Taiwan taking place, but how is that in any way connected to the story of Kevin, Gao, the wife or anyone else? I sure hope he's not ever so stupid as to marry that Gao.
Gao, despite being the center of , and the cause of, a lot of this drama, says about four sentences in the whole movie? Why does Kevin love him or even like him? We are never told.
Finally, who lays next to their partner in bed at night jacking off, EXCEPT as a cue to their partner to take some action? And then doesn't care about infecting them? That was the most bizarre part of the movie for me.
This was a mess with some good acting but terrible story-telling, direction and writiing.
It was kind of clumsy on the part of the health teacher/nurse to hold her little gay class in only that one classroom. OF COURSE you are going to arouse suspicion, especially among high school students, who are merely more open about the vicious prejudices held by their adult counterparts. They haven't learned yet how to hide what they are really thinking. The LGBT informational class should have been held across the school, in every class, not only to maintain anonyminity, but because everyone needs to hear that message.
It was refreshing that the obnoxious loud kid, the obvious number one suspect about the chalkboard, turned out to have nothing to do with it, and stood up to his friend who voiced prejudicial remarks. It was also amazingly brave of Sakura to do what she did. I mean, why NOT get it over with, since everyone's talking about it anyway?
I'm not skeeved out about pedophilia; YS is of age. But what doesn't ring true to me, or tells me something I don't care for about WZ, is that he would be satisfied being in a relationship with someone who operates with the intellectual and emotional intelligence/maturity of a five year-old half the time. He is always and all the time going to be the caregiver/taker, and he will never have a discussion with YS on a level playing field because YS is a child. And Noah, who I guess has taken care of YS by being suspicious, skeptical and reserved, is always those things, though he's showing cracks in the walls he's built around him and YS.
WZ seems like a completely normal, well-adjusted, healthy young man. It just seems weird that he would want a primary relationship, or that it would even seem attractive to him, with YS/Noah. It is admirable that he sees someone who is wounded and needs care, but being in an intimate, adult relationship is not the kind of care he needs. Perhaps by undergoing psychological counseling and treatment YS and Noah will merge into one, well-adjusted person but right now it's a little weird. An excellent example of this is when WZ walked ahead of YS because of the remark from that horrid young woman behind them on the street, and YS's childish answer to this was to throw a tantrum and disappear, forcing WZ to panic and search for him. A grown-up would have said " hey, if you're uncomfortable with being affectionate with me in public, then you have some issues to deal with and I can't be in a relationship with you."
It was kind of funny how apparently that "this is so inappropriate" line was dubbed in because at no point did the young lady appear to actually say those words or pay attention to WZ and YS at all. She was just chatting jovially with her male companion. Also, did anyone notice everyone was wearing winter coats except WZ and YS? And that the partially-eaten candy-stick YS was working on had reformed itself when it fell to the ground? And why do people in BLs go running or driving through the streets of gigantic cities like Taipai, looking back and forth and calling, as though they're going to just happen to end up in the same alleyway out of 100,000 alleyways? :D