Aaaah I liked ep 12 and 13. It was quite "grist for the mill" workout Narcissist CelloMom was the loud voice to speak up about DH bully . That actress is super phenomenally real in that role, Very masterful actress. My only complaint is that she is so skinny. Her body is like ... one line. She is so pretty and acts so well, and I admire her every time she is on screen, in fact, she is the only thing I remember from this drama :) but I get worried about her health every time I see her on screen. It is so creepy to see someone so thin
FL is rather stupid, very immature, does not communicate. She should have spoken about DH but decided to keep quiet - WHY????
YoungerBrother is rather stupidly immature too, we all know that, but the preview makes him brain dead stupid...
The men in this drama are a bunch of nincompoops. Let’s start with the Cha poops. Papa ‘Cameo’ Cha did not…
Nah ,,,, there are some good men in here ,,, and some are shown under influence of their bad spouses or families.
First of all, you forgot ML who is HONESTLY trying to figure out the truth about FL
Oldest Brother is in the tight grip of Anaconda Mei but now he knows it... and also he has decency in him and has done some really nice stuff, like .. the funeral, not wanting the house, etc
ML's dad seems to be a nice man too. Also paired up with a shallow dumb woman... The CoffeeShop guy is nice
==== I can say that all women are shown as incompetent, naive, selfish, toxic. The two wives.. Chellist is a hard core narcissist, but very practical. 1stWife is super toxic bitter but at least gives in and has some moral compass. The FL is a decent honest person but so naive, so immature in so many ways, and ladden with a narcissistic mother Her coffee/painting friend is very nice and on her feet
Dai Hui (spelling?) is 100% evil ML's mother is a stupid materialistic shallow person
So really, in this drama there are just not too many truly decent characters really doing their best to be decent. So far, it is only ML and FL, but too naive and immature, and CoffeeGuy and Painting Friend
I am gonna regret having started watching this. 😭The whole premise, that you can only divorce by agreement,…
No lmao YOU CAN DIVORCE IN KOREA IF THE OTHER PERSON DOESNT WANT TO - you take them to Court. Most likely the ChelloWife did not want her name dragged around or maybe the Dad was just .. passive agressive lazy
The point is, as the other person said, is that the Dad did NOT take care of his 2nd wife and kid, and did NOT make sure to divorce the 1st wife and leave something for his second family The Dad was basically a hard core narcissist and selfish coward and just had fun with the 2nd wife while keeping his first one :)
Such a waste of everyone's' precious time. I'm pissed because they hocked me with potential..
Exactly. Trying to cater to toxic women and very sneakily training the society to see women in a certain way and to JUSTIFY women who act like that. It is extreme propaganda brainwashing into sexism
The guy seems like a simp but it is a lot more vicious than you think :) The guy is there as her GUARDIAN. Bc she cannot make one step without depending on him. Dont be fooled that he is dedicated to her. He "takes care of her" bc she is incapable of taking care of herself. It is so insidiously evil message. The woman is made into a child who must have a daddy to guide her. In other words; THE MAN IS IN CHARGE AND HE CONTROLS THE WHOLE SHOW. HE IS THE ONE WHO GUIDES THE WOMEN IN THE PROPER DIRECTION, HE IS THE BRAIN AND THE EXECUTIONER
It was a lot worse before :) now at least FLs and other female characters are allowed to be competent at work and financially independent
There ARE a few kdramas that have excellent strong clear REALISTIC FLs. This year we saw Positively Yours, currently airing Our Happy Days so far so good... Undercover Miss Hong had a few KimChi Family from 2011... It is Ok It's Love from 2014... sister lawyer in My Father is Strange... surprisingly, My Dearest Nemesis FL etc There ARE some
But yeah most kdrama FLs are so dumb reckless irrational reactive immature they MUST HAVE GUIDANCE OF SOME NICE GUY WHO IS THEIR "GUARDIAN" SO THAT THEY CAN LIVE PROPERLY ah what bull We saw .. Dynamite Kiss, Practical Guide to Love, .... etc etc etc that were total disasters
Chairman Brutus, his first wife, and YN are all the same kind - total cold serial killers, nothing human in them. The weakness of this drama is that the team Dumb Avengers just does not accept that as a reality. They see it over and over again, and yet every time they do not take precautions, have ppl killed/kidnapped/etc and every time get surprised. Hello!!!
So now HJ is in the company of serial killers/thieves, seeing murder and theft first hand. He will either have a mental breakdown and go insane, OR he will become like them. He is too far out to come back to sanity.
Brutus most likely knows that HJ is not his son. The worst situation is that Brutus kicks them all out bc HJ is not his son, and essentially sentences them to life in poverty, HJ goes insane, and his mother is stuck caring for a disabled son in start poverty. YN will start prostituting and/or selling drugs.
HJ's bio dad will either die trying to save his son - very likely HJ will kill him in mad rage - or he will leave them all as hopeless. Not so likely, he is a very good person - but he has done severe crimes to cover their murders and crimes. I wonder if he can give them up.
YN was always clearly a heartless criminal and she proved it, she sold her father. And she will be selling her mother next. Her mother might go insane, or try to turn her in and get killed.
Park Hyun Jun disgusts me. He's crossed the line of no return. He deserves death so that Oh Jung Ran go crazy.
You know... how about just exposing his secret and kicking him and his mom (and Yu Na) out of the house? Into sheer poverty. That would be so wickedly brutal hell to them
yuna lost her last chance to save something and maybe come less hurt at the end ..... from now on her final countdown…
imo YN has never had any chance no matter how chances she was given, bc she is made as a total one sided BRUTAL PHYSCOPATH, there is absolutely NOTHING human in her. She is the same kind as Chairman Brutus and HJ's mom.
Are we going to see Yu Na and Hyun Jun get married? And I don't wish someone crashes their marriage 😆
you are so mean lmao this is wicked YES they need to stay married! and then let me add in my own wickedness -
once they get married, his secret comes out and he, YN, his mom get all kicked to the curb :) That is the most brutal ending to them - living in poverty
you mean ... decisions made by characters in the drama? Yeah they suffer from total lack of communication. Alsp, he is kinda sorta autistic and she for some reason SHREDS him ML is too withdrawn, his wife aggressively pokes him, he becomes more withdrawn and runs away... yeah they are toxic. Then he, a good boy and space cadet clutz for real life, goes out chasing serial killers on his own. Quite dumb On the other hand, they are both smart, persistent and resilient, she manages to escape, he manages to find her. There is some progress. So that's why I didnt drop it yet
I have watched so many dramas like this. To me, this one is just so-so 7/10. I can recommend some better dramas…
I agree with 11 , 2 , 5 and totally disagree with 8 The rest I did not watch so I will check them out. Thanks. Did you see All About My Mother? KimChi Family is also great but only 24 eps
The drama drags so much in the middle and then magically in the last 2 episodes, everyone becomes nice and lovey dovey and gets along with everyone. Grandma's diary becomes a bestselling book LOL that hater Grandma becomes comforting to ppl. Omg this is too cheesy. This forced "happy end for all"
Character growth is totally missing. We saw problems, and then magically at the end we see it al gone - but we never saw the PROCESS
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Narcissist CelloMom was the loud voice to speak up about DH bully . That actress is super phenomenally real in that role, Very masterful actress. My only complaint is that she is so skinny. Her body is like ... one line. She is so pretty and acts so well, and I admire her every time she is on screen, in fact, she is the only thing I remember from this drama :) but I get worried about her health every time I see her on screen. It is so creepy to see someone so thin
FL is rather stupid, very immature, does not communicate. She should have spoken about DH but decided to keep quiet - WHY????
YoungerBrother is rather stupidly immature too, we all know that, but the preview makes him brain dead stupid...
First of all, you forgot ML who is HONESTLY trying to figure out the truth about FL
Oldest Brother is in the tight grip of Anaconda Mei but now he knows it... and also he has decency in him and has done some really nice stuff, like .. the funeral, not wanting the house, etc
ML's dad seems to be a nice man too. Also paired up with a shallow dumb woman...
The CoffeeShop guy is nice
====
I can say that all women are shown as incompetent, naive, selfish, toxic.
The two wives.. Chellist is a hard core narcissist, but very practical. 1stWife is super toxic bitter but at least gives in and has some moral compass.
The FL is a decent honest person but so naive, so immature in so many ways, and ladden with a narcissistic mother
Her coffee/painting friend is very nice and on her feet
Dai Hui (spelling?) is 100% evil
ML's mother is a stupid materialistic shallow person
So really, in this drama there are just not too many truly decent characters really doing their best to be decent. So far, it is only ML and FL, but too naive and immature, and CoffeeGuy and Painting Friend
The point is, as the other person said, is that the Dad did NOT take care of his 2nd wife and kid, and did NOT make sure to divorce the 1st wife and leave something for his second family
The Dad was basically a hard core narcissist and selfish coward and just had fun with the 2nd wife while keeping his first one :)
this one is a lot better, it is not based on dumbness
The guy seems like a simp but it is a lot more vicious than you think :) The guy is there as her GUARDIAN. Bc she cannot make one step without depending on him. Dont be fooled that he is dedicated to her. He "takes care of her" bc she is incapable of taking care of herself. It is so insidiously evil message. The woman is made into a child who must have a daddy to guide her. In other words; THE MAN IS IN CHARGE AND HE CONTROLS THE WHOLE SHOW. HE IS THE ONE WHO GUIDES THE WOMEN IN THE PROPER DIRECTION, HE IS THE BRAIN AND THE EXECUTIONER
It was a lot worse before :) now at least FLs and other female characters are allowed to be competent at work and financially independent
There ARE a few kdramas that have excellent strong clear REALISTIC FLs. This year we saw Positively Yours, currently airing Our Happy Days so far so good...
Undercover Miss Hong had a few
KimChi Family from 2011... It is Ok It's Love from 2014... sister lawyer in My Father is Strange...
surprisingly, My Dearest Nemesis FL
etc
There ARE some
But yeah most kdrama FLs are so dumb reckless irrational reactive immature they MUST HAVE GUIDANCE OF SOME NICE GUY WHO IS THEIR "GUARDIAN" SO THAT THEY CAN LIVE PROPERLY
ah what bull
We saw .. Dynamite Kiss, Practical Guide to Love, .... etc etc etc that were total disasters
Chairman, his first wife, and YuNa are cold heartless brutal serial killers and thieves
So now HJ is in the company of serial killers/thieves, seeing murder and theft first hand. He will either have a mental breakdown and go insane, OR he will become like them. He is too far out to come back to sanity.
Brutus most likely knows that HJ is not his son. The worst situation is that Brutus kicks them all out bc HJ is not his son, and essentially sentences them to life in poverty, HJ goes insane, and his mother is stuck caring for a disabled son in start poverty. YN will start prostituting and/or selling drugs.
HJ's bio dad will either die trying to save his son - very likely HJ will kill him in mad rage - or he will leave them all as hopeless. Not so likely, he is a very good person - but he has done severe crimes to cover their murders and crimes. I wonder if he can give them up.
YN was always clearly a heartless criminal and she proved it, she sold her father. And she will be selling her mother next. Her mother might go insane, or try to turn her in and get killed.
or maybe YN's mom, if she tries to turn YN in
and then let me add in my own wickedness -
once they get married, his secret comes out and he, YN, his mom get all kicked to the curb :) That is the most brutal ending to them - living in poverty
ML is too withdrawn, his wife aggressively pokes him, he becomes more withdrawn and runs away... yeah they are toxic. Then he, a good boy and space cadet clutz for real life, goes out chasing serial killers on his own. Quite dumb
On the other hand, they are both smart, persistent and resilient, she manages to escape, he manages to find her. There is some progress. So that's why I didnt drop it yet
Yup I have been fast forwarding and dropping
What you said should be unspoiled, ppl need to see it
The rest I did not watch so I will check them out. Thanks.
Did you see All About My Mother?
KimChi Family is also great but only 24 eps
Grandma's diary becomes a bestselling book LOL that hater Grandma becomes comforting to ppl. Omg this is too cheesy. This forced "happy end for all"
Character growth is totally missing. We saw problems, and then magically at the end we see it al gone - but we never saw the PROCESS