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Did I say any thing about what you posted?

In fact because these things happen in real life, the drama need to very careful when showcasing themes like assault, sexual assault, battery, etc etc.

It is precisely because it's NOT ok for men to hit women or sexually assault them that the dramas should not showcase reverse as something ok.
In real world it;s absolutely not ok for men to even lay a finger on a women.
So,
why would the drama portray something so heinous and dangerous as ok when women are doing men?

very true,

It's only natural men should give up their sexual desires.
After all it;s the exclusive domain of women to have sexual desires and act on them.

Imagine equating men's normal sexual desires to rapists and perverts.
What a clown show.

The ML is not the husband of FL.
ML and FL's husband are partners.

You do understand the ML is the older guy and the younger guy who is the husband of FL is a support character absent for many episodes in the drama.

basically you agree with my analysis on how predictable ML's are in most Kdramas.

Once we establish THAT fact, we can live with the fact of people liking or disliking that kind of dramas.

regarding feminism and how vile it is, I hold my strong views on it, especially considering these feminist in my country want to allow any man claiming to be a woman into girls bathrooms...

You seem to be getting it wrong though.
for most part I just love most FL in most Kdramas. Even the ones being abusive, hateful, vicious etc etc. It just shows the variety of FL's kdramas have.
the only thing I don't like is how Fl being abusive is never addressed as negative...
apart from that, FL are basically why I watch these shows.
ML's are so bland and boring..

I too love simple Kdramas but these dramas are not simple.
They have an absolutely wimpy and shitty ML in most of them just to cater to fantasies of sections of viewers.

Yes, Nevetheless was an odd one.
That ML in that drama does not fit the pattern of usual ML's.

Yumi Cell, I don't consider a main stream Kdrama.
Anyway with the FL being portrayed that way, it would have made it that hard to justify a ML without any prior experience.
The only real exception is Nevetheless and even in that the FL is not shy one man woman.

Anyway, That's just 2 dramas amongst dozens in last few years. It should shout at you that my point is spot on about how shitty ML's are written in current Kdramas.

Old ones may have been but my experience in asian dramas is last few years and I have only this period to relate to...

Anyway, want to guess how many Kdramas released in last 3 months have FL crushing and lusting after men other than ML?

I hope the point is understood, ML's as portrayed in Nevethless are very very rare. Most fit the dutiful, dedicated to FL kind. Many dramas don't even have female dogs in ML's life. The one 2FL is usually caricature of a bitch.
The FL's vary a lot though. they go from inexperienced to very experienced and always having men in her life, multiple of them, enriching her life.

Again, you missed the most important part of my question.
I specifically asked about ML's shown as attracted and horny as in reaction in their face and body language that shows intense physical attraction to a woman.....you failed to provide an example.
I can literally point to dramas where the FL are drooling over men. It happens in most kdramas, the FL's are shown physically attracted to men other than ML, showing on their face and body language wanting to shag them...
There are currently Kdramas running that have these FL's. the recently finished 'Destined With You' has FL who is shown to be very attracted to 2ML. I simply can go on with recent kdramas proving my point.

I have no problems with FL of this drama, while there are other dramas where that was an issue, this one it's not.

FL is this one is how a normal person usually goes through their life.
They have their own ambition, their goals, crushes, loves, relationships and reality.
The FL is ambitious women with modern outlook on life.
There absolutely is nothing wrong with it.

The pathetic portrayal of ML is the problem.
This is ML we usually see in most Cdramas and lot of Kdrmas now a days. It's a disappointing caricature of ML's that is repetitive and frankly reflects weak and pathetic men.

It's ok to have these kinds of ML's now and then. Then they become fun. repeating the same ML in most dramas becomes shitty and really unimaginative writing.

Let me repeat this again,
I rarely find Kdrama FL's to be trash or problematic.
It's always the ML that are problematic with how unrealistic they are.
Now because the ML's are so unrealistic, on contrary, the FL starts coming across as worse.
Even this drama for example, FL dating multiple men is not an issue at all. But because the writers went with a ML who is portrayed in such unnatural way, it raises the whole debate.
It's not just because of THIs drama, ML's are usually shown very dedicated to FL's, while the FL are shown to be entangled with multiple men in these dramas. If only the ML's are like FL's where they shown sexually attracted to other women or even dating multiple women, like how FL's usually do, it would not an issue at all.

I keep asking a simple question to a lot people who debate with me,

Show me a single instance where in last few years a Kdrama ML looks at a woman other than FL and thinks of her as sexy or gets horny?
on other side, I can show a dozen dramas this year the FL gets horny looking at men other than ML.

I hope you can answer the question.
If you can't an answer, you exactly what's wrong with Kdramas now a days.

It's fine that they show FL's like that.
If all FL's are nice and goody goody, dramas will be boring.

That's exactly what they did to ML's,
all of them are wimpy simpy door mats, same in every drama, very boring

Agreed, The Cdrama the extreme Virgin CEO 'Young master who never looked at a woman in his life' ML's are slowly making their way into Kdramas.

I doubt these men would have stayed put if other women were paying attention to them.
If not move on, they would have at least enjoyed themselves with other women.

Kdrama ML's are more like men with serious impotency.
Only LOVE of FL can cure them. No other women on earth can make it move.
FL's on other hand have normal sexual appetite. You will not find a single kdrama FL with diseases only ML can cure..

I have seen few older Kdramas,
the ML's were never as bad as the FL.

In fact in the few dramas where the ML physically abuses FL, the drama makes it amply clear that it was wrong.
The recent Kdramas has FL's brutally thrashing the ML and the tone of the drama makes it seem it's completely fine.
Just watch the first 2 episodes of 'Strangers Again', the FL physically and brutally assaults ML, repeatedly and not a peep in the tone of the drama.
I can name dozens of dramas where the Fl thrashes Ml and it is either shown as funny or ML deserves it.

While I understand how ML's portrayals were a problem in Kdramas, reversing and portraying FL's even worse is shitty paradigm shift.
It does not even makes sense.
What is it message? "It's alright if women do the same things we think are problem when men do them?"

It's hilarious how people defend Kdramas being written by absolutely shitty writers.
When viewers don't point out problematic writing, these morons will continue writing the same shit and throw it in our faces.

Btw, in the old kdramas, the FL's were never as wimpy simpy as the current Kdrama ML's.
God, these ML's are so wimpy that you feel like vomiting watching such weak men.

I have no intention of making this personal. I will desist from asking you certain questions that would make you squirm as well.

Let's stick to the drama.

Point I keep asking is, what is it that the ML is actually saying sorry for? Or even giving an explanation to the FL?
is he is not supposed to like another woman or be relationship with her if he wished?
What is so big deal about a man liking a woman that he needs to say sorry about, especially to some one who he is not in a relationship with?

There are literally hundreds of Cdramas where the FL is madly in love with 2ML. They even cry in front of ML about the 2ML. Just take Wonderland of Love, the FL literally abuses ML about 2ML. Did the FL apologize for that?
Did any FL in any Cdrama say sorry to ML for liking some other guy before the ML? I mean, there are 100's of dramas where this plays out and the ML is running around trying to win FL, being a stupid simp etc etc.

here the FL just huffs and puffs and the ML is being sorry? Just for what?

Lastly, being in love does not mean you cater to stupid and insane tantrums of your partner. That pretty much is a text book definition of an abusive and unsustainable relationship. It's not a parent-child where you pamper your kids.
Imagine saying sorry for things you are remotely not responsible for. Only twisted and perverted minds would even remotely relate to such a concept.

Completely agree with you.
You are spot on and your post is perfect.
In real life, you get different people, different environments, differnt relationships etc etc

My main point of debate was in response to the original post where the person equated men who enjoy sex as manWh0res, which was horrible way of insulting men.
This is similar to men who call women who enjoy sex as wh0res...If this is wrong, the person who made the original post was wrong as well.
What is good for gander is good for goose as well.

You probably missed the context of my post.

My firm belief that Feminism is the biggest enemy of women, at least modern feminism.

The delusion of these feminists is a sight to behold.

These feminists would not survive a week without men doing what they are doing to keep the world going.
Does not mean women are not contributing, they are and in equal measure and in terms of civilization continuation, more so.
Context is you don't see men as a group going off on women like these feminists do on men.

These dramas are affront to women in the way they cater to their worst fantasies.

LOL, if only these men existed in real life,
they would probably run away from these women...Why should such a man need to settle for these kind of women who don't offer the same devotion in return?

the common complaints is that the FL always have multiple other guys to fill the hole,
while the ML would be brooding in a dark room for decades, not even looking at other woman.

It basically is a trope to show FL is NOT that invested in the man. She has her own things and the man is is not the top of pecking order.
The ML though, there is one thing in the pecking order, the FL. Nothing and no one matters to him ever.
Even the thought of ML eying another woman, let alone having a relationship is a crime against humanity.

THAT is the common trope and people are just sick of the same shit in each and every drama.

If someone wants that kind of guys, they also need to be as good as these guys.
Opposite goes as well.

One can't demand all that from men and then turn around and be like the FL in this drama.
Same thing if a man wishes women to be nice and goody goody, he should be goody goody as well.

When something happens repeatedly, it is a pattern.

Kdrama and Cdrama patterns for FL and ML are very obvious by now.

It's not the characters but the writers writing these cliched, repeated unrealistic trash that are the problem.

Just imagine being a writer and writing a FL shagging friend of her ex husband, referred to her by her own ex husband. Really?!! One has to be really really stupid, like half brain missing stupid to write such shit.

The only reason a writer would even think of that crap is to project the ML as used toilet paper, a cuck with no self respect.
Oh, did i forget to mention that FL thrashes the Ml to pulp repeatedly?

Oh please, the actors are always in news for their raunchy life style.

Pretty sure even the actors playing these wimpy simpy ML's would be laughing their bottoms off at the shit written by these writers...

in any drama, the ex Bf of FL are paraded.
their relationship detailed to us, living together, intimacy and the deep love they had.

We don't need to assume FL's love for other men. The drama makes it plenty clear. Many dramas have the Fl weeping in front of ML about another man. That's the detail these dramas go to to show Fl relationsips.

and here you are claiming ML might have had other girls or how he might have done this or that with his gf.
The drama simply does not show it because they are clear that the ML did not have any other GF and even with this one, there was nothing.
just like how these same dramas, including this one are very clear when FL is attracted to 2ML. the FL in this one basically goes into horny mode while seeing 2ML.
Show one single scene where ML shows even the slightest of affection for 2FL?

basically the answer to those kind of ML's is to shift to similar FL's
while turning ML's from men into wimps.

It is so offensive to women to even read something like that.
It basically telling women that in real world you are not capable of handling men so in dramas we will cater to your fantasy of a submissive man without testicles to be abused by you...

The premise is sick.