I keep hearing so many good things about this show but constantly hesitate because of the episode count and BL…
There is no BL in the Untamed, only some bromance thanks to censorship. So if that's holding you back then go watch it. The episode count really won't matter once you get comfortable with the story, trust me.
Ok, a question:I have the book, this drama and the anime version. Which would you say is the best? which one would…
Depends on your preference. I started out with the animation but got extremely confused thanks to the flashbacks and read the manga for more context. Then I watched the entire anime but it didn't cover the entire story yet so I went to the drama on Youtube. I watched the entire drama and went to read the novel afterwards because it has less censorship. I think once you catch The Untamed obsession you'll just try to consume any content possible.
You obviously did not read the review, and only want to hear your own thoughts.
Well at the very least you do agree with equal rights as it seems. But why after Jewish people and Indians are you trying to involve Christians now? Most Western Christians don't even know Asian bromance or BL's exist, it has no impact on the majority of them. Also, why can't we have cultural heritage AND gay couples? I've learned about Thai culture thanks to BL's.
I don't think you get how this Chinese drama became popular in the first place. You think some shady elite-group was promoting this? You're mistaken. It was the vast amounts of online Chinese BL-fans/yaoi fans/bromance fans that went out of their way to support this series. This series has had tons of problems but BL-fans were there to guide the story like literally telling producers to stop with enforced straight romance.
So for your final points. Just love your own culture and accept others, isn't that the right way to deal with the world for everyone? I don't usually like hiphop either but everyone has their own music-tastes. I personally love kpop a lot more, here's 2 songs I can recommend to you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL_vmjEAhA0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVzGsh0zRec
You obviously did not read the review, and only want to hear your own thoughts.
There's few things in life more dangerous than trying to disturb a BL-fans content. We've encountered enough censorship. I stand with you against the homophobic dude.
Thanks for the article! There's always been debate on whether The Untamed is bromance or BL since it's so difficult to categorize. It's more than bromance but not quite BL.
Almost every BL-fan loves The Untamed despite the lack of intimacy. The way that the main characters of The Untamed look at each other has such meaning that words don't even have to be spoken. In my opinion it should be categorised with a new title like soulmance. I guess body swap dramas have also kinda played with the concept of soulmance but I never really felt the need to identify it seperately until The Untamed came along with their chemistry. So for me LZ and WWX are soulmates and their love was a soulmance.
You obviously did not read the review, and only want to hear your own thoughts.
You're entitled to your opinion about the drama but claiming that no Chinese person is gay is a little bit much. The reason there's barely any gay representation on Chinese tv is because of censorship, not because there are no gay people in China. In fact, the boy love (BL) was on the rise in China in 2016 until the government forbid it (look up Addicted:Heroin). Now most Chinese people just read gay novels (danmei) or watch gay shows from Taiwan/Thailand. As a BL-fan I invite you to take a look at the current selection: China: https://mydramalist.com/list/61GEYDo3 Taiwan: https://mydramalist.com/list/b4qN7wQ1 Determine for yourself whether Chinese people can be gay or not.
I don't know how you would even think that no Chinese person could be gay. Being gay isn't wrong and I advice you to watch some gay love-stories from Asia to develop some empathy. Mayby BL or bromance aren't your genres but let us BL-fans have our gay content like you have your martial arts stories please. You like looking at guys fight and we like looking at guys kiss, that's all.
I gotta thank you for one thing though, while scrolling through the Chinese BL-list I found a new gay movie I'm going to watch.
Coincidentally I've recently been watching the j-dramas he's in and keep recognising him. Like Raise de wa Chanto Shimasu and Kinou Nani Tabeta?. He's a fun actor, hope he continues to get more work.
found it with eng sub on youtube broken up into 9 parts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm84PXlD0xc&list=PLE61411DC9AAF4F7A&index=1
Thank you! For those planning to watch with sound, it's in stereo with both canto and mandarin. I personally wasn't bothered since I just read subs. Also, the ending isn't in the 9 parts.
Thanks for the reply, and if you update the list that'd be awesome. I am a huge BL fan too and like so much stuff.…
Thanks for your perspective as a longtime J-BL fan. For new BL fans like me it helps figure out the history and how we got what we have today through much trial and error.
My journey was as follows. I started with bromance at the end of 2019 thanks to the explosive popularity of The Untamed and went into BL at the start of 2020. My first BL was Tharntype and it got me learning about the entire history of Asian BL's. I had been exposed to J-BL content like some shounen-ai animated series or manga for years but nothing beyond that so I lived in a bubble.
I knew about the type of BL Japan used to produce in the past. Always those manga-adaptations with manga-tropes that would probably work way better animated (Takumi and other ~2010 J-BL series). I was so pleasantly surprised with Ossan's Love and even Seven Days (which was made in the transition-phase). I also realised that there was a sudden drop in BL-dramas that Japan experienced mid-2010's but in my experience it's only very recently that this has been recovering thanks to dramas like Ossan's love.
I hadn't made the connection to the succes of the Thai SOTUS in 2016 and the recovery of J-BL dramas. I didn't think the effect of SOTUS would've affected the Japanese BL-market but I'm glad to learn it did. Thai BL is booming and Taiwan BL is regarded with respect, they're the true frontrunners in this BL-drama race. I'm mainly calling these two countries out because of the 2016 Addicted-event that got all Chinese BL-drama cancelled and the Korean insistence on keeping BL out (they can get away with it since they're already highly popular with kdrama in general).
However, while I'm thankful for your information, I do have 1 point of criticism. You praise Thai BL for its many qualities and I understand why you would do that since you did mention you liked dark and heavy stuff (which is a valid sub-genre in the BL-community). Yes, Thai society is open in comparison to Japan but it carries a dark undertone. I'm talking about the amount of assault and r*pe featured in Thai BL. Don't get me wrong, Danmei/C-BL also has its share in that but this is less prominent right now due to the ban.
I just think that Thai BL would be much better off if they handled such heavy matters in a professional way and NOT as a trope to start off relationships. This problem is not just present in Thai-BL but also in certain lakorns (usually at the slap&kiss genre). Yes, I have watched Thai-BL like Tharntype that handle this in a wrong way and while I still love the story it would've been much better if they had addressed it better. Such behaviour should never be excused easily. I believe dark BL's have their place in the community but I just think that this excusing of terrible actions is still too widespread right now in seemingly innocent Thai-BL.
Anyway that's my opinion on that, now for my personal BL-preferences. I do actually like the angst in BL. Somehow it has a cuteness to it when watching a character figure out their feelings. They can act all embarrassed and shy and its adorable to see at times. It can also be fun to see one character who's comfortable tease the other one who's a lot more shy (not to the point of r*pe or assault though). While I do think that realistic BL-dramas have a much more important social function, these angsty BL-dramas are just copying the popular kdrama romance stories and they also have a place.
I loved the cooking, they showed it with such style! More importantly though, it reflects current views on LGBT in Japanese society. The main couple was incredibly wholesome and while it shows no intimacy it definitely does feel like a couple. There were also interesting side-characters. You really feel empathy for the main character as he tries to cope with daily life in his own ways.
I also liked the references to City Hunter and Kaze to Ki no Uta (one of the first BL mangas).
So you got these two BL-fans shipping the local schoolguys. Somehow one of the BL-girls and a guy get their souls swapped by some chaos-loving being. The BL-girl in a male body goes to hit majorly on the guys but the step-bro of the possessed guy recognises her so while physically it is his family, technically he falls in love with the BL-girl.
My prediction: Somehow eventually they switch back to their real bodies and BL-girl goes on to date the step-brother of the possessed guy and the possessed guy gets his own male love interest (because otherwise it wouldn't qualify as a BL).
I feel like a disaster-tourist right now, visiting a fandom warzone. Anyway, let me just say something everyone can agree on. Aside from everything concerning the drama, the guys Lee Min Ho and Woo Do Hwan are hot and need even more moments together.
Let's be real here, we all rewatched the scenes of Goblin for the male characters. I'll watch anything provided it has enough bromance scenes. So I hope this drama will deliver some more goods soon. I hope the fandom wars die down a bit soon too. I'm outta here now
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I think once you catch The Untamed obsession you'll just try to consume any content possible.
Also, why can't we have cultural heritage AND gay couples? I've learned about Thai culture thanks to BL's.
I don't think you get how this Chinese drama became popular in the first place. You think some shady elite-group was promoting this? You're mistaken. It was the vast amounts of online Chinese BL-fans/yaoi fans/bromance fans that went out of their way to support this series. This series has had tons of problems but BL-fans were there to guide the story like literally telling producers to stop with enforced straight romance.
So for your final points. Just love your own culture and accept others, isn't that the right way to deal with the world for everyone?
I don't usually like hiphop either but everyone has their own music-tastes. I personally love kpop a lot more, here's 2 songs I can recommend to you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL_vmjEAhA0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVzGsh0zRec
Want some Chinese music? Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diyhrrpqYPU
Almost every BL-fan loves The Untamed despite the lack of intimacy. The way that the main characters of The Untamed look at each other has such meaning that words don't even have to be spoken. In my opinion it should be categorised with a new title like soulmance. I guess body swap dramas have also kinda played with the concept of soulmance but I never really felt the need to identify it seperately until The Untamed came along with their chemistry.
So for me LZ and WWX are soulmates and their love was a soulmance.
The reason there's barely any gay representation on Chinese tv is because of censorship, not because there are no gay people in China. In fact, the boy love (BL) was on the rise in China in 2016 until the government forbid it (look up Addicted:Heroin). Now most Chinese people just read gay novels (danmei) or watch gay shows from Taiwan/Thailand.
As a BL-fan I invite you to take a look at the current selection:
China: https://mydramalist.com/list/61GEYDo3
Taiwan: https://mydramalist.com/list/b4qN7wQ1
Determine for yourself whether Chinese people can be gay or not.
I don't know how you would even think that no Chinese person could be gay. Being gay isn't wrong and I advice you to watch some gay love-stories from Asia to develop some empathy. Mayby BL or bromance aren't your genres but let us BL-fans have our gay content like you have your martial arts stories please. You like looking at guys fight and we like looking at guys kiss, that's all.
I gotta thank you for one thing though, while scrolling through the Chinese BL-list I found a new gay movie I'm going to watch.
For those planning to watch with sound, it's in stereo with both canto and mandarin. I personally wasn't bothered since I just read subs.
Also, the ending isn't in the 9 parts.
My journey was as follows. I started with bromance at the end of 2019 thanks to the explosive popularity of The Untamed and went into BL at the start of 2020. My first BL was Tharntype and it got me learning about the entire history of Asian BL's. I had been exposed to J-BL content like some shounen-ai animated series or manga for years but nothing beyond that so I lived in a bubble.
I knew about the type of BL Japan used to produce in the past. Always those manga-adaptations with manga-tropes that would probably work way better animated (Takumi and other ~2010 J-BL series). I was so pleasantly surprised with Ossan's Love and even Seven Days (which was made in the transition-phase). I also realised that there was a sudden drop in BL-dramas that Japan experienced mid-2010's but in my experience it's only very recently that this has been recovering thanks to dramas like Ossan's love.
I hadn't made the connection to the succes of the Thai SOTUS in 2016 and the recovery of J-BL dramas. I didn't think the effect of SOTUS would've affected the Japanese BL-market but I'm glad to learn it did. Thai BL is booming and Taiwan BL is regarded with respect, they're the true frontrunners in this BL-drama race. I'm mainly calling these two countries out because of the 2016 Addicted-event that got all Chinese BL-drama cancelled and the Korean insistence on keeping BL out (they can get away with it since they're already highly popular with kdrama in general).
However, while I'm thankful for your information, I do have 1 point of criticism. You praise Thai BL for its many qualities and I understand why you would do that since you did mention you liked dark and heavy stuff (which is a valid sub-genre in the BL-community). Yes, Thai society is open in comparison to Japan but it carries a dark undertone. I'm talking about the amount of assault and r*pe featured in Thai BL. Don't get me wrong, Danmei/C-BL also has its share in that but this is less prominent right now due to the ban.
I just think that Thai BL would be much better off if they handled such heavy matters in a professional way and NOT as a trope to start off relationships. This problem is not just present in Thai-BL but also in certain lakorns (usually at the slap&kiss genre). Yes, I have watched Thai-BL like Tharntype that handle this in a wrong way and while I still love the story it would've been much better if they had addressed it better. Such behaviour should never be excused easily. I believe dark BL's have their place in the community but I just think that this excusing of terrible actions is still too widespread right now in seemingly innocent Thai-BL.
Anyway that's my opinion on that, now for my personal BL-preferences. I do actually like the angst in BL. Somehow it has a cuteness to it when watching a character figure out their feelings. They can act all embarrassed and shy and its adorable to see at times. It can also be fun to see one character who's comfortable tease the other one who's a lot more shy (not to the point of r*pe or assault though). While I do think that realistic BL-dramas have a much more important social function, these angsty BL-dramas are just copying the popular kdrama romance stories and they also have a place.
I also liked the references to City Hunter and Kaze to Ki no Uta (one of the first BL mangas).
So you got these two BL-fans shipping the local schoolguys. Somehow one of the BL-girls and a guy get their souls swapped by some chaos-loving being. The BL-girl in a male body goes to hit majorly on the guys but the step-bro of the possessed guy recognises her so while physically it is his family, technically he falls in love with the BL-girl.
My prediction:
Somehow eventually they switch back to their real bodies and BL-girl goes on to date the step-brother of the possessed guy and the possessed guy gets his own male love interest (because otherwise it wouldn't qualify as a BL).
Let's be real here, we all rewatched the scenes of Goblin for the male characters. I'll watch anything provided it has enough bromance scenes. So I hope this drama will deliver some more goods soon. I hope the fandom wars die down a bit soon too. I'm outta here now