Found it without subs. In my opinion the movie could've handled the serious topics better. I feel like the movie had a lot more potential.
The movie depicts the very serious struggles of LGBT in the past but also mixes it with some very problematic themes that would've better been left out. You will know when you watch it. If you are a sensitive person I would advice to avoid this movie.
I have watched up to Ep 8, but somehow I kinda lost the excitement to watch. Probably one reason is that Siu Muk…
As someone who has also been watching this show and who has watched Ossans Love from Japan before this I would agree. Maki was a character that was really great with showing emotions and that really contributed to the watching experience. A break from the more comedic elements of the show in a way. Siu Muk is sweet but I don't see that same chemistry as in the original. But overall I like this new version of Ossans Love.
This seems exactly like the chaotic stuff I need in a BL to be entertained. I'm gonna watch this when/if this arrives. This is the type of art that the world simply isn't ready for yet. People may hate on it now but if you think about it, this will be the first of its kind XD Furry BL.
Thanks for the reply, and if you update the list that'd be awesome. I am a huge BL fan too and like so much stuff.…
Hi I'm back! I actually wanted to continue this convo but remembered you only by your old profile picture so when that changed I couldn't find this discussion anymore. So yeah sorry about taking a year to respond! It has been on my mind though. Today I randomly found this list again from some 2009 BL movie and so I'm back! I think the comment I made was before even the Pinoy BL boom happened or Korean BLs became a normal thing (2020 was a wild year) so its been a while.
In regards to pondering about the deeper aspects about BL. I've been lucky enough to have found some nice communities and individual BL fans online who do tend to think about such stuff. Mostly on Discord BL servers since communication on MDL is slower.
Thank you for sharing your origin story! I'm still a fledgling in comparison to other BL fans but talking to longterm fans has helped a lot in understanding a lot of stuff. When I made that comment I was super new to BL (started like a few months back) and I'm glad you responded in such detail. I've never really explored Western LGBT content in detail myself but have been taught about some of it by other BL fans.
I agree with your point on web novels since a great example of that is Tharntype. Web novels are indeed easily accessible to make for younger writers and thus sometimes more prone to contain problematic behaviour.
Your example of the change in attitudes towards whats considered normal in intimate relations was indeed concerning to read. I think a part of that is just exposure to extreme stuff from a younger age. Since the internet has made everything much more available the extreme becomes more commonly available to see. So it is innevitable and its often only when BL fans get older that they learn about why its problematic thanks to feedback from others in communities. Of course there will always be the toxic bubble communities that avoid this learning process completely.
You are right about Thailand in my opinion. Theres both very progressive and very conservative elements that are often seen in BLs too. Outside of the Thai BL realm Thai dramas/lakorns follow the same pattern with both progressive and conservative storylines. The Thai BL industry has recently started becoming much more diverse in its storylines in 2021 and I love it for that.
I mentioned Tharntype quite often and that was likely the initial reason I commented since I had that storyline in mind. However, with recent Thai BL there hasn't really been as much that can be compared to Tharntype as I thought there would be after its success. Again I don't hate Tharntype (my first Thai BL after all) but I was concerned about its effects on Thai BL stories as a whole. Now it seems that my concerns were largely unnecessary. As you said many novels may still carry these themes but luckily they are cut or edited for dramas.
Your comparison of Thailand to other countries is interesting to me. In my view Taiwan produces both interesting LGBT projects but also some of the most stereotypical ''yaoi''-like stories for BL sometimes. China... Well, the only option is swordfighting dudes who flirt through poem references and (are willing to) die for each other. I like poems though but yeah it's not the ideal situation although it has resulted in the birth of many more bromance fans and a ton of discussion around what can be considered BL. I just call them censored BL since everyone can at least agree on that.
I agree that at least one of the best places currently is Thailand and I agree we should be positive about it. It does allow for much more diversity in the storytelling of personal experiences. While in Korea and Japan (China has stopped all BL so won't include it here) you can see subtle signs of it not being acceptable even in BL. Like the parents not being involved or indeed the fear of showing public affection or the lack of openness in the workplace. Both Japan and Korea are still gonna be those countries that may accept depictions of BL but are against LGBT generally. The change is very very slow.
And ye I agree that diversity in storytelling is the most important thing. And yeah I have seen some of the older BLs that do that negative stuff and it wasn't great. Especially Korea I used to have some major distrust of Korean LGBT/BL for a while before 2020 happened. Anyway sorry about the late reply and I hope you are well ^^
I'll miss this drama, it always delivered a fun few minutes and made me look forward to the next episode. It worked great since I usually have to go through hourlong episodes and this drama was the perfect break from that.
The ending was something I have peace with. I actually really loved the character of Jacky she was cool. So many different topics were addressed, some of it recognisable but some of it surprised me when the genderroles were reversed since society normalizes a lot. It's a free drama and an interesting watch, would recommend.
Well it certainly isn't a wholesome drama in any way. The mature and infidelity tags definitely apply. Episode 1 just has a very hopeless vibe to it. Watched it raw. I'm curious about what exactly happened in that first scene though and what the results of it will be.
Just search the Chinese name on Google and you'll find a Chinese site hosting it. But I don't think anyone has subbed this (or will sub it) since its such a short show and not really high quality. The poster looks way better than the show itself actually is.
"many people" came forward. Hmmm ok. "Many" = a great majority of people or an indefinite number or a large indefinite…
''Having an opinion doesn't make me Judge and Juror and Executioner, that isn't our job, but most of the comments like yours believe that the alleged accusations are to be true. Which is def wrong.''
I don't claim to know the answer of what happened but I did want to point out the case isn't resolved yet and there are still people out there who are ''alleged'' victims. I thought I made that pretty clear. Again just said the case is still ongoing as long as the other ''alleged'' victims are out there and that we have valid reason (Kim Ji Soo his own apology) to believe at least some claims will be true. Ok thanks for replying have a nice day.
"many people" came forward. Hmmm ok. "Many" = a great majority of people or an indefinite number or a large indefinite…
''"many people" came forward. Hmmm ok. "Many" = a great majority of people or an indefinite number or a large indefinite number of people. Hmm how many is many now?''
Multiple means the same as many to you apparently. Multiple: Having or involving several parts, elements, or members.
Saying that it was so long ago and should be forgotten is a not a new discussion on here and is largely an individual opinion. I'm not very interested in discussing your personal views on bullying thanks. The soompi quote I already discussed with the other user.
I get what you mean, but this is what they saying:"Meanwhile, most of the posts that raised suspicions about the…
Again I'm happy if the truth is unveiled. People shouldn't lie just for fun obviously. Doesn't change the fact he apologised which indicated at least some of it is true. He must have seen at least some of the posts and identified that information to be true to be able to apologise on social media like that. We don't know what happened indeed but by making that apology Kim Ji Soo basically assured everyone that something did happen. That's not gossip but just his own admittance of fault.
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The movie depicts the very serious struggles of LGBT in the past but also mixes it with some very problematic themes that would've better been left out. You will know when you watch it. If you are a sensitive person I would advice to avoid this movie.
This is the type of art that the world simply isn't ready for yet. People may hate on it now but if you think about it, this will be the first of its kind XD Furry BL.
In regards to pondering about the deeper aspects about BL. I've been lucky enough to have found some nice communities and individual BL fans online who do tend to think about such stuff. Mostly on Discord BL servers since communication on MDL is slower.
Thank you for sharing your origin story! I'm still a fledgling in comparison to other BL fans but talking to longterm fans has helped a lot in understanding a lot of stuff. When I made that comment I was super new to BL (started like a few months back) and I'm glad you responded in such detail. I've never really explored Western LGBT content in detail myself but have been taught about some of it by other BL fans.
I agree with your point on web novels since a great example of that is Tharntype. Web novels are indeed easily accessible to make for younger writers and thus sometimes more prone to contain problematic behaviour.
Your example of the change in attitudes towards whats considered normal in intimate relations was indeed concerning to read. I think a part of that is just exposure to extreme stuff from a younger age. Since the internet has made everything much more available the extreme becomes more commonly available to see. So it is innevitable and its often only when BL fans get older that they learn about why its problematic thanks to feedback from others in communities. Of course there will always be the toxic bubble communities that avoid this learning process completely.
You are right about Thailand in my opinion. Theres both very progressive and very conservative elements that are often seen in BLs too. Outside of the Thai BL realm Thai dramas/lakorns follow the same pattern with both progressive and conservative storylines. The Thai BL industry has recently started becoming much more diverse in its storylines in 2021 and I love it for that.
I mentioned Tharntype quite often and that was likely the initial reason I commented since I had that storyline in mind. However, with recent Thai BL there hasn't really been as much that can be compared to Tharntype as I thought there would be after its success. Again I don't hate Tharntype (my first Thai BL after all) but I was concerned about its effects on Thai BL stories as a whole. Now it seems that my concerns were largely unnecessary. As you said many novels may still carry these themes but luckily they are cut or edited for dramas.
Your comparison of Thailand to other countries is interesting to me. In my view Taiwan produces both interesting LGBT projects but also some of the most stereotypical ''yaoi''-like stories for BL sometimes. China... Well, the only option is swordfighting dudes who flirt through poem references and (are willing to) die for each other. I like poems though but yeah it's not the ideal situation although it has resulted in the birth of many more bromance fans and a ton of discussion around what can be considered BL. I just call them censored BL since everyone can at least agree on that.
I agree that at least one of the best places currently is Thailand and I agree we should be positive about it. It does allow for much more diversity in the storytelling of personal experiences. While in Korea and Japan (China has stopped all BL so won't include it here) you can see subtle signs of it not being acceptable even in BL. Like the parents not being involved or indeed the fear of showing public affection or the lack of openness in the workplace. Both Japan and Korea are still gonna be those countries that may accept depictions of BL but are against LGBT generally. The change is very very slow.
And ye I agree that diversity in storytelling is the most important thing. And yeah I have seen some of the older BLs that do that negative stuff and it wasn't great. Especially Korea I used to have some major distrust of Korean LGBT/BL for a while before 2020 happened. Anyway sorry about the late reply and I hope you are well ^^
But it has its moments I guess and a ton of eyeshadow.
The ending was something I have peace with. I actually really loved the character of Jacky she was cool. So many different topics were addressed, some of it recognisable but some of it surprised me when the genderroles were reversed since society normalizes a lot. It's a free drama and an interesting watch, would recommend.
I'm curious about what exactly happened in that first scene though and what the results of it will be.
I don't claim to know the answer of what happened but I did want to point out the case isn't resolved yet and there are still people out there who are ''alleged'' victims. I thought I made that pretty clear. Again just said the case is still ongoing as long as the other ''alleged'' victims are out there and that we have valid reason (Kim Ji Soo his own apology) to believe at least some claims will be true. Ok thanks for replying have a nice day.
Multiple means the same as many to you apparently.
Multiple: Having or involving several parts, elements, or members.
Saying that it was so long ago and should be forgotten is a not a new discussion on here and is largely an individual opinion. I'm not very interested in discussing your personal views on bullying thanks.
The soompi quote I already discussed with the other user.
We don't know what happened indeed but by making that apology Kim Ji Soo basically assured everyone that something did happen. That's not gossip but just his own admittance of fault.