I laughed when I read your comment because I was just as gobsmacked - but then we're in the real world and she's…
His father was a famous and wealthy Ikebana artist (Japanese art of flower arranging.) He ran away from it because he wanted something else and his life was, apparently, very controlled to force him to follow his father.
He was actually a lovely guy and felt he was not worthy of her - though, to be fair, a phone call, note or even a 'goodbye, I'll be back' message would've been nice instead of just vanishing like a ghost. Like I said - I would definitely have been looking for a shovel in her shoes, God knows she appeared to have a lot grasslands nearby to hide the body! Or use it to knock him out and then keep him locked in a kennel whilst he reflected on what he'd done! lol!
Just wondering - does ANYONE have a clue which guy she ends up with, or if someone dies? I ask only because it looks like NONE of us will ever see it, let alone see it subbed. So if someone could spoil it - with the relevant tags naturally - I would love you forever. I've seen so many videos of this drama it kills me that I'll probably NEVER get to watch ANY of it. :(
I'm currently trying to learn madarin Chinese because so many Cdramas aren't ever subbed, but I can't even find the RAW version of this and I'm fuming! :(
Unless you want to be flipping tables, then I suggest you avoid this like the plague. The ending of the movie was one of the worst I've seen in a while and they don't often chsnge the endings that much, so I'm not even going to bother.
The movie is really disapointing most of the cast changes i don´t like. Soel´s change is ok but i don´t get…
HoneyxHoney - STILL no happy ending? Oh I'm done! I adore Park Hae Jin, but that' s ridiculous. .....as ridiculous as the drama ending was. I can't go throuh that again, I was about ready to flip tables at the end of the drama. I shall just watch Man to Man and Bad Guys again......
I'm British and I HATE sad endings too, especially BL sad endings - I always expect more from Thai BL dramas as,…
I would support crowd funding if they tried to get fans and public to help them. Freedom is so important. I don't have much, but I would definitely be willing to help.
It's nice to hear that things in China are not as dire as we're being told by our media. Makes you wonder if what they're saying about other countries is true or lies too.....
He has been busy with shooting commercials, shooting for magazines, working for UNICEF as well. Also, I've found…
MyersLucy -- he was really good in comedies so it would be nice to see him in a romantic comedy for a change, he's so good in Goblin with comedic moments. My idea of heaven would be him and Lee Dong Wook in a romantic comedy together because their scenes together in Goblin were just PERFECT. Hilarious but also showing how they clearly got on off screen too.....just frenemies I think. Or perhaps just friends. :) Oh and thanks for info about his military service, I wasn't sure.
I'm British and I HATE sad endings too, especially BL sad endings - I always expect more from Thai BL dramas as,…
TianQi -- what about Thailand or emigrating to a country like Japan, etc or the UK? They could make the movies, etc there.
I feel for you - I know how my cousin tortured herself despite me telling her I would make the family behave if she came out - for years she tried to be straight but as soon as a guy tried to kiss her she would panic. She told me that a friend who was working out in China (is straight) told her that someone they're friends with is in a gay relationship, but is in a 'marriage' with a woman (lesbian) and her partner, who is married to HIS partner.
They say to their respective parents they're all best friends and sharing a house between the two married 'couples' is cheaper and more fun. They're arranging for children via the 'baster method' (their words apparently). One couple wll have a child each - they told the friend this is becoming very common - but how, as the kids get older do you keep the truth from getting out? They say if they're incredibly careful when outside to behave like straight couples no one has guessed their secret - but won't kids say the wrong thing? Is this common?
I'm not judging - I think you do what you have to be with the one you love and, honestly, this sounds like it would really work well for both couples.....just not sure of their safety once kids come on the scene (at least until they're old enough to understand the dangers).
Thanks for the info about the guys from Addicted - it did seem overly heavy handed even for China. Once again, it's nice to talk to someone who knows, especially as you are gay yourself so would know first hand. Thank you for being so open; I genuinely appreciate your honesty. :)
I am sooo worried too! But. If wdh characterm dies in the book and movie than it's a huge plot point to gloss…
Keznaa -- I read the book when I was in high school, but I'm 52 now so it was a LOONG time ago so I don't recall the full ending, but I remember the ending of Les Liaisons Dangereuses movie and his character (called Comte de Valmont) did not fare well....even though he'd become (sort of) good and genuinely regretted his actions.
So it is a main plot point, but in the movie it could easily have been changed to he was very wounded but survived as a changed man......and a lot of people wanted that so that only the really evil one who was NOT sorry, Marquise de Merteuil, suffered alone.
I have my fingers crossed how ever futilely, that this might happen here, especially as it's already been brought into the modern day and so another change isn't unthinkable....hopefully.
Ah I get you! Yeah we’ll have to wait to see what the ending is like. I can let you know, just remind me. I’m…
Elle -- I think you're right. I'm definitely going to wait. I'm really not into getting into it to find it's bad or a sobfest. Thanks for the advice, it's genuinely appreciated. :)
As a rape victim I have to say that by making every lip bump kiss, wrist grab and over passionate kiss 'abuse' then genuine rape and sexual abuse is being completely downgraded and will end up being ignored. At no point do these women fight back , which they would if they genuinely didn't want it. Most that do usually end up hurting the guy; yes it's often then made into comedy - oh look at the itty bitty girl knocking that big man to ground or pushing him into a load of displays' etc - but the fact is they DO fight back and DO hurt the guy.
In coffee Prince the female lead had driven Gong Yoo's character close to madness ; LGBT is NOT accepted in South Korea, he would've been thumbing his nose at his entire family, most especially his grandmother, and he would've done that because he loved the 'boy'. To then find out 'he' was a girl - had let him witter on about how he'd give up everything for 'him' and yet, at NO point, even attempt to tell the truth was the straw that broke him. I don't agree with what he did, if he'd done that to me I'd have belted him in the face, but I do understand what drove him to it. let's face it, if it had been him doing it to her, lots would've been on her side for doing the same. Well, equality means BOTH genders get the same "I don't agree with it, but I understand what made it happen" response from me.
Le Jun Kai and Sealed with a Kiss are the ones I take issue with - clearly the men have issues; SwaK he had a brain tumour and anger issues; I would also call his 'love' for the main girl as obsessive as his ex wife's was for him.....the fact he couldn't see the similarities between them did make me often roll my eyes. The abuse and rapes were just ridiculous - how they could call that a 'romance' beggared belief to me. I have to say I am fan of Lau Hawick's but I did question why he would make such a drama; at least she had a positive outcome.
LJK.......he was just a demented psycho; I didn't even really understand the revenge - or indeed the ending. But you couldn't see what drove either main lead in those dramas as clearly and obviously as you could in Coffee Prince. I really struggled to watch both of those; Coffee Prince, I got it - she'd really hurt him; so much it was almost a genuine physical pain to him and so he wanted to hurt her back the same way - and so it was a good drama for me.
Verbal abuse - yup been on the receiving end of that....and violence too. But the girls all put up with it in the dramas you show. They're MORONS - I mean seriously, I kind of got it with Mischievous Kiss: Love in Tokyo because my daughter's best friend has Asperger's and is identical in her behaviours to Furikawa Yuki's interpretation of Irie Naoki...and I mean IDENTICAL. So a form autism explained a LOT - him, I COULD forgive. He did NOT understand or follow vocal or physical cues from people, didn't understand facial expressions and had not filters to not hurt other people's feelings. He got angry when Kotoko forced him away from his controllable life and hit out verbally. Al traits of those with mild to moderate autism - many of whom, again like my daughter's friend, can also be very clever and with a high IQ (though hers wasn't close to Naoki's).
But the other two? Oh my God, I would've just gone looking for a shovel; seriously - the one in Miss in Kiss is even WORSE. But again, you don't put up with it - for me it was subtle and I didn't realise, but these boys were in her face nasty. Playful Kiss and Miss in Kiss had two with the least reasons - I mean they just seriously harassed their version of Kotoko for kicks and giggles.
BUT we really need to get away from screaming 'ABUSE!' at every little slight and touch, it's NOT. Abuse is when - like me - 30 years later you're still sometimes having nightmares and if I saw my ex-boyfriend in the street even now I would just freeze and brace myself for the blow and then to hit him back (which I always did, I got hit worse but at least I didn't give in).
Slap/kiss is only an issue when the girl 'falls' for it - I find that hard to believe . But then, as a Japanese friend told me recently, "no woman in her right mind would fall for guys who slap you and then kiss you or worse, kidnap and rape you. But the dramas make it because we like to watch it, Go figure". I've been told the same about why there's always SEVERE physical abuse and rape in Yaoi novels - apparently, according to an author I spoke to, women LOVE it. If she writes novels without it, they COMPLAIN. How is that right? But there it is - if the public want it, the producers, directors and writers will give it to them.
Don't complain about the dramas - complain about the people who watch them....which, of course, includes US. Thanks for a thought provoking article and sorry for the long post. I do tend to dig out the old soapbox when it comes to this. lol!
It's on Netflix UK and it's subbed if anyone's interested. I thought it was good. The story was completely OTT, but the acting was impressive and the action was good too.
He was actually a lovely guy and felt he was not worthy of her - though, to be fair, a phone call, note or even a 'goodbye, I'll be back' message would've been nice instead of just vanishing like a ghost. Like I said - I would definitely have been looking for a shovel in her shoes, God knows she appeared to have a lot grasslands nearby to hide the body! Or use it to knock him out and then keep him locked in a kennel whilst he reflected on what he'd done! lol!
It's nice to hear that things in China are not as dire as we're being told by our media. Makes you wonder if what they're saying about other countries is true or lies too.....
I feel for you - I know how my cousin tortured herself despite me telling her I would make the family behave if she came out - for years she tried to be straight but as soon as a guy tried to kiss her she would panic. She told me that a friend who was working out in China (is straight) told her that someone they're friends with is in a gay relationship, but is in a 'marriage' with a woman (lesbian) and her partner, who is married to HIS partner.
They say to their respective parents they're all best friends and sharing a house between the two married 'couples' is cheaper and more fun. They're arranging for children via the 'baster method' (their words apparently). One couple wll have a child each - they told the friend this is becoming very common - but how, as the kids get older do you keep the truth from getting out? They say if they're incredibly careful when outside to behave like straight couples no one has guessed their secret - but won't kids say the wrong thing? Is this common?
I'm not judging - I think you do what you have to be with the one you love and, honestly, this sounds like it would really work well for both couples.....just not sure of their safety once kids come on the scene (at least until they're old enough to understand the dangers).
Thanks for the info about the guys from Addicted - it did seem overly heavy handed even for China. Once again, it's nice to talk to someone who knows, especially as you are gay yourself so would know first hand. Thank you for being so open; I genuinely appreciate your honesty. :)
So it is a main plot point, but in the movie it could easily have been changed to he was very wounded but survived as a changed man......and a lot of people wanted that so that only the really evil one who was NOT sorry, Marquise de Merteuil, suffered alone.
I have my fingers crossed how ever futilely, that this might happen here, especially as it's already been brought into the modern day and so another change isn't unthinkable....hopefully.
In coffee Prince the female lead had driven Gong Yoo's character close to madness ; LGBT is NOT accepted in South Korea, he would've been thumbing his nose at his entire family, most especially his grandmother, and he would've done that because he loved the 'boy'. To then find out 'he' was a girl - had let him witter on about how he'd give up everything for 'him' and yet, at NO point, even attempt to tell the truth was the straw that broke him. I don't agree with what he did, if he'd done that to me I'd have belted him in the face, but I do understand what drove him to it. let's face it, if it had been him doing it to her, lots would've been on her side for doing the same. Well, equality means BOTH genders get the same "I don't agree with it, but I understand what made it happen" response from me.
Le Jun Kai and Sealed with a Kiss are the ones I take issue with - clearly the men have issues; SwaK he had a brain tumour and anger issues; I would also call his 'love' for the main girl as obsessive as his ex wife's was for him.....the fact he couldn't see the similarities between them did make me often roll my eyes. The abuse and rapes were just ridiculous - how they could call that a 'romance' beggared belief to me. I have to say I am fan of Lau Hawick's but I did question why he would make such a drama; at least she had a positive outcome.
LJK.......he was just a demented psycho; I didn't even really understand the revenge - or indeed the ending. But you couldn't see what drove either main lead in those dramas as clearly and obviously as you could in Coffee Prince. I really struggled to watch both of those; Coffee Prince, I got it - she'd really hurt him; so much it was almost a genuine physical pain to him and so he wanted to hurt her back the same way - and so it was a good drama for me.
Verbal abuse - yup been on the receiving end of that....and violence too. But the girls all put up with it in the dramas you show. They're MORONS - I mean seriously, I kind of got it with Mischievous Kiss: Love in Tokyo because my daughter's best friend has Asperger's and is identical in her behaviours to Furikawa Yuki's interpretation of Irie Naoki...and I mean IDENTICAL. So a form autism explained a LOT - him, I COULD forgive. He did NOT understand or follow vocal or physical cues from people, didn't understand facial expressions and had not filters to not hurt other people's feelings. He got angry when Kotoko forced him away from his controllable life and hit out verbally. Al traits of those with mild to moderate autism - many of whom, again like my daughter's friend, can also be very clever and with a high IQ (though hers wasn't close to Naoki's).
But the other two? Oh my God, I would've just gone looking for a shovel; seriously - the one in Miss in Kiss is even WORSE. But again, you don't put up with it - for me it was subtle and I didn't realise, but these boys were in her face nasty. Playful Kiss and Miss in Kiss had two with the least reasons - I mean they just seriously harassed their version of Kotoko for kicks and giggles.
BUT we really need to get away from screaming 'ABUSE!' at every little slight and touch, it's NOT. Abuse is when - like me - 30 years later you're still sometimes having nightmares and if I saw my ex-boyfriend in the street even now I would just freeze and brace myself for the blow and then to hit him back (which I always did, I got hit worse but at least I didn't give in).
Slap/kiss is only an issue when the girl 'falls' for it - I find that hard to believe . But then, as a Japanese friend told me recently, "no woman in her right mind would fall for guys who slap you and then kiss you or worse, kidnap and rape you. But the dramas make it because we like to watch it, Go figure". I've been told the same about why there's always SEVERE physical abuse and rape in Yaoi novels - apparently, according to an author I spoke to, women LOVE it. If she writes novels without it, they COMPLAIN. How is that right? But there it is - if the public want it, the producers, directors and writers will give it to them.
Don't complain about the dramas - complain about the people who watch them....which, of course, includes US. Thanks for a thought provoking article and sorry for the long post. I do tend to dig out the old soapbox when it comes to this. lol!